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some one has posted a link in one thread about Deobandi ulema fatwah against suicide attacks and declare it haram.

I want to spot a light on background of this fatwah.
In recent interview with suicide bomber at geo channel.he proudly said that we are not doing suicide bombing,we are doing "Fidaei Attacks" and this is justify against munafiq Pakistan state forces.

I want to convey my advice to Pakistan Government that they would demand with all sects's ulema that they should issue statement
" All terrorist including Taliban and alqaeda are munafiq and fight with them is Jihad,so everybody would welcome to join Pakistan Army in this Jihad"(this is also reply of molvi sufi soap)

I am sure this demand would face off lot of hidden munafiq ulemas.
 
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i wish that too brother but guess what just keep praying and pray hard for this fatwas. You won't see one. The Imam-e-Kabah came to Lal Masjid fake ullma and tried to convance them. When he couldn't comvey lal masjid people you think these Ullamas will convey anyone or pass a fatwa. If they wanted then they would have passed them at Lal Masjid time and after. Good luck
 
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Ulema or mufti can answer about suicide indetail ,as per my knowledge it is not allowed because your life is Amanah from Allah and only Allah shall decide moment of death even in war suicide is not allowed.
 
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I heard a story that when indian tanks where trying to enter lahore pakistan soilders strapped bombs to themselfs and blew the tanks up and stopped the indians in there tracks.......is this a true story?.....if it is, does it not also come under Suicide attack.
 
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I heard a story that when indian tanks where trying to enter lahore pakistan soilders strapped bombs to themselfs and blew the tanks up and stopped the indians in there tracks.......is this a true story?.....if it is, does it not also come under Suicide attack.

its a myth, i have interviewed many men who took part in battle of chawinda where this incident is supposed to have happend and all denied

the myth was created to boast morale and that two by few journalists
 
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who are deobands?...wahabis?

deoband is more than 200 years old muslim madrasah based on Fiqa Hanafi, There are four fiqa's hanafi,shafi,hambli,malaki in sunni islam.

Wahabi is a sub sect of sunni islam dont believe on any fiqa close to gher mukalad (non believer of any fiqa) .Wahabi sect developed by a saudi person whose name was abdullah wahab.

Saudi Kingdom has agreement with family of Mr Wahab that grand mufti will be from them .
 
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I have some issue with all this Fatwa business. I have seen several Fatwas and there seems to be a certain trend - the conservative they are the better is their implementation and as soon as they turn even lightly liberal, all the power seem to dry out of them. The logical explaination can be:
a) Liberals are more vocal in protest to fatwas and hence more coverage, when infact both of them have only a marginal effect on day to day life of aam aadmi.(Mango man:enjoy:). Basically all Fatwas are equally ineffective.
b) The conservatives still find some way to either tweak or manipulate the fatwas in their favour. Play with the language and still score is in their favour.(Like finding a loophole)
c) The Liberal fatwas are just a hogwash and a PR stunt
d) My assessment is incorrect.

How do you guys see it??
 
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some one has posted a link in one thread about Deobandi ulema fatwah against suicide attacks and declare it haram.

I want to spot a light on background of this fatwah.
In recent interview with suicide bomber at geo channel.he proudly said that we are not doing suicide bombing,we are doing "Fidaei Attacks" and this is justify against munafiq Pakistan state forces.

I want to convey my advice to Pakistan Government that they would demand with all sects's ulema that they should issue statement
" All terrorist including Taliban and alqaeda are munafiq and fight with them is Jihad,so everybody would welcome to join Pakistan Army in this Jihad"(this is also reply of molvi sufi soap)

I am sure this demand would face off lot of hidden munafiq ulemas.

Couple of things.

1) All suicide bombings are haram against muslims, and perpetrators will have a tormenting consequences in courts of Allah
2) having said that, as a muslim we cannot decide who is munafiq and who is not. Most of tali goons financing is coming from rich counries and in the same way pakistans financing is coming from rich coutnries. Do the maths, we are all going to hell regardless of what we do...
 
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I have some issue with all this Fatwa business. I have seen several Fatwas and there seems to be a certain trend - the conservative they are the better is their implementation and as soon as they turn even lightly liberal, all the power seem to dry out of them. The logical explaination can be:
a) Liberals are more vocal in protest to fatwas and hence more coverage, when infact both of them have only a marginal effect on day to day life of aam aadmi.(Mango man:enjoy:). Basically all Fatwas are equally ineffective.
b) The conservatives still find some way to either tweak or manipulate the fatwas in their favour. Play with the language and still score is in their favour.(Like finding a loophole)
c) The Liberal fatwas are just a hogwash and a PR stunt
d) My assessment is incorrect.

How do you guys see it??

Fatwa is based on Hadees (Saying of our Prophet PBUH) , any muslim follower of any fiqa may ask mufti of particular fiqa for issue of fatwa on matter of daily life(marriage,talaq,salah,death,prayer etc) Sahah sitah (bukhari,muslim, ibn maja) total six authentic books of hadees on them all four fiqa imam's has total concent .

Your impresion is not right that fatwa has no effect on muslim's life, fatwa is necessary to rectify many disputes of society or individual to restore peace in society and prosperity .Fatwa is not personal statement or interpertation of any mufti it should be based on Quran or on authentic hadees from six books of hadees.
 
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Q outed " The majority of Sunni scholars reject suicide.[54] However, some top authorities support suicide attacks on perceived enemies of Islam. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, sometimes called "the world's most quoted independent Islamic jurist",[55] has called martyrdom operations:

the greatest of all sorts of Jihad in the Cause of Allah. A martyr operation is carried out by a person who sacrifices himself, deeming his life less value than striving in the Cause of Allah, in the cause of restoring the land and preserving the dignity. [56]

Other clerics have supported attacks in connection with Palestine. Sunni Iraqi Cleric, Sheikh Ahmad Al-Qubeisi has proclaimed that "those who commit martyrdom [i.e. suicide] operations who are, by Allah, the greatest martyrs in Islamic history..."[57] Amongst others the Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis,[58], the former President of Al-Azhar University, Ahmad 'Omar Hashem[59] and Cleric, Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiris of Gaza[60] have all urged on suicide operations by Muslims. Sayed Mohammed Musawi, head of the World Islamic League in London, condemning the London bombings, but insisted "there should be a clear distinction between the suicide bombing of those who are trying to defend themselves from occupiers, which is something different from those who kill civilians, which is a big crime."[61] There have been conflicting reports about the stand of Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy, the top Egyptian cleric of Al ­Azhar University, and the mufti of Egypt, Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Al ­Tayyeb. Shortly after 9/11 the Sheikh Tantawy issued a statement opposing suicide attacks.[62] Again in mid-2003 he was quoted again as saying "groups which carried out suicide bombings were the enemies of Islam."[63]

According to Charles Kimball, chair of the Department of Religion at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, "There is only one verse in the Qur'an that contains a phrase related to suicide", Verse 4:29 of the Qur'an.[64] It reads O you who believe! Do not consume your wealth in the wrong way-rather through trade mutually agreed to, and do not kill yourselves. Surely God is Merciful toward you. Some commentators believe that the phrase "do not kill yourselves" is better translated "do not kill each other", and some translations (e.g. Shakir) reflect that view.

Mainstream Islamic groups such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research use the Quran'ic verse Al-Anam 6:151 (And take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law) as further reason to prohibit suicide.[65] In addition, the hadith unambiguously forbid suicide.[66]

A contrary view is presented by Faisal Bodi who has written in The Guardian that, "in the Muslim world, then, we celebrate what we call the martyr-bombers. To us they are heroes defending the things we hold sacred. Polls in the Middle East show 75% of people in favour of martyr-bombings."[55] Nevertheless, Islamist militant organisations (including Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Islamic Jihad) continue to argue that suicide operations are justified according to Islamic law, despite Islam's strict prohibition of suicide and murder.[67][68] Irshad Manji, in a conversation with one leader of Islamic Jihad noted their ideology.

"What's the difference between suicide, which the Koran condemns, and martyrdom?" I asked. "Suicide," he replied, "is done out of despair. But remember: most of our martyrs today were very successful in their earthly lives." In short, there was a future to live for--and they detonated it anyway.

Since the four suicide bombings in London, there have been many scholastic refutations of suicide bombings from Sunni Muslims. Ihsanic Intelligence, a London-based Islamic think-tank, published their two-year study into suicide bombings in the name of Islam, titled 'The Hijacked Caravan',[69] which concluded that, "The technique of suicide bombing is anathema, antithetical and abhorrent to Sunni Islam. It is considered legally forbidden, constituting a reprehensible innovation in the Islamic tradition, morally an enormity of sin combining suicide and murder and theologically an act which has consequences of eternal damnation."[70] The Oxford-based Malayist jurist, Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti, issued his landmark fatwa on suicide bombing and targeting innocent civilians, titled 'Defending the Transgressed, by Censuring the Reckless against the Killing of Civilians', where he states suicide bombing in its most widespread form, is forbidden: 'If the attack involves a bomb placed on the body or placed so close to the bomber that when the bomber detonates it the bomber is certain [yaqin] to die, then the More Correct Position according to us is that it does constitute suicide. This is because the bomber, being also the Maqtul [the one killed], is unquestionably the same Qatil [the immediate/active agent that kills] = Qatil Nafsahu [suicide]"[71]

In January 2006, one of Shia Islam's highest ranking Marja clerics, Ayatollah al-Udhma Yousof al-Sanei also decreed a fatwa against suicide bombing, declaring it as a "terrorist act".[72] "

References can be checked at en.wikipedia.org
 
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Q outed " The majority of Sunni scholars reject suicide.[54] However, some top authorities support suicide attacks on perceived enemies of Islam. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, sometimes called "the world's most quoted independent Islamic jurist",[55] has called martyrdom operations:

the greatest of all sorts of Jihad in the Cause of Allah. A martyr operation is carried out by a person who sacrifices himself, deeming his life less value than striving in the Cause of Allah, in the cause of restoring the land and preserving the dignity. [56]

Other clerics have supported attacks in connection with Palestine. Sunni Iraqi Cleric, Sheikh Ahmad Al-Qubeisi has proclaimed that "those who commit martyrdom [i.e. suicide] operations who are, by Allah, the greatest martyrs in Islamic history..."[57] Amongst others the Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis,[58], the former President of Al-Azhar University, Ahmad 'Omar Hashem[59] and Cleric, Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiris of Gaza[60] have all urged on suicide operations by Muslims. Sayed Mohammed Musawi, head of the World Islamic League in London, condemning the London bombings, but insisted "there should be a clear distinction between the suicide bombing of those who are trying to defend themselves from occupiers, which is something different from those who kill civilians, which is a big crime."[61] There have been conflicting reports about the stand of Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy, the top Egyptian cleric of Al *Azhar University, and the mufti of Egypt, Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Al *Tayyeb. Shortly after 9/11 the Sheikh Tantawy issued a statement opposing suicide attacks.[62] Again in mid-2003 he was quoted again as saying "groups which carried out suicide bombings were the enemies of Islam."[63]

According to Charles Kimball, chair of the Department of Religion at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, "There is only one verse in the Qur'an that contains a phrase related to suicide", Verse 4:29 of the Qur'an.[64] It reads O you who believe! Do not consume your wealth in the wrong way-rather through trade mutually agreed to, and do not kill yourselves. Surely God is Merciful toward you. Some commentators believe that the phrase "do not kill yourselves" is better translated "do not kill each other", and some translations (e.g. Shakir) reflect that view.

Mainstream Islamic groups such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research use the Quran'ic verse Al-Anam 6:151 (And take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law) as further reason to prohibit suicide.[65] In addition, the hadith unambiguously forbid suicide.[66]

A contrary view is presented by Faisal Bodi who has written in The Guardian that, "in the Muslim world, then, we celebrate what we call the martyr-bombers. To us they are heroes defending the things we hold sacred. Polls in the Middle East show 75% of people in favour of martyr-bombings."[55] Nevertheless, Islamist militant organisations (including Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Islamic Jihad) continue to argue that suicide operations are justified according to Islamic law, despite Islam's strict prohibition of suicide and murder.[67][68] Irshad Manji, in a conversation with one leader of Islamic Jihad noted their ideology.

"What's the difference between suicide, which the Koran condemns, and martyrdom?" I asked. "Suicide," he replied, "is done out of despair. But remember: most of our martyrs today were very successful in their earthly lives." In short, there was a future to live for--and they detonated it anyway.

Since the four suicide bombings in London, there have been many scholastic refutations of suicide bombings from Sunni Muslims. Ihsanic Intelligence, a London-based Islamic think-tank, published their two-year study into suicide bombings in the name of Islam, titled 'The Hijacked Caravan',[69] which concluded that, "The technique of suicide bombing is anathema, antithetical and abhorrent to Sunni Islam. It is considered legally forbidden, constituting a reprehensible innovation in the Islamic tradition, morally an enormity of sin combining suicide and murder and theologically an act which has consequences of eternal damnation."[70] The Oxford-based Malayist jurist, Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti, issued his landmark fatwa on suicide bombing and targeting innocent civilians, titled 'Defending the Transgressed, by Censuring the Reckless against the Killing of Civilians', where he states suicide bombing in its most widespread form, is forbidden: 'If the attack involves a bomb placed on the body or placed so close to the bomber that when the bomber detonates it the bomber is certain [yaqin] to die, then the More Correct Position according to us is that it does constitute suicide. This is because the bomber, being also the Maqtul [the one killed], is unquestionably the same Qatil [the immediate/active agent that kills] = Qatil Nafsahu [suicide]"[71]

In January 2006, one of Shia Islam's highest ranking Marja clerics, Ayatollah al-Udhma Yousof al-Sanei also decreed a fatwa against suicide bombing, declaring it as a "terrorist act".[72] "

References can be checked at en.wikipedia.org

As per my knowledge no sunni mufti had given fatwa in favour of suicide, only few madrasah or universities have authority to give mufti degree.

Jamiah Azhar,Deoband are well know oldest islamic institutions which can give mufti degree .

Many madarashs are also registered with these two institutions also authorised to give mufti degree which is equivilant to PHD degree.

Mufti need 11 years to complete its degree requirement after matric or high school.
 
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who are deobands?...wahabis?


Wahhabism (Arabic: Al-Wahhābīyya الوهابية) or Wahabism is a conservative form of Sunni Islam attributed to Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, an 18th century scholar from what is today known as Saudi Arabia, who advocated a return to the practices of the first three generations of Islamic history.

Wahabis have been religiously criticized for labeling as apostates many major Muslim groups, such as Sunni Muslims, Sufi, and Shi'a Muslims. They also take stances against the graves of saints, and the common Islamic practice of Tawassul which consists of asking the saints for prayer on their behalf
 
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As per my knowledge no sunni mufti had given fatwa in favour of suicide, only few madrasah or universities have authority to give mufti degree.

Jamiah Azhar,Deoband are well know oldest islamic institutions which can give mufti degree .

Many madarashs are also registered with these two institutions also authorised to give mufti degree which is equivilant to PHD degree.

Mufti need 11 years to complete its degree requirement after matric or high school.

Sir, if u have a study at different articles related to this topic & day to day readings, there is a tacit understanding among all the muslims sects, that any attack on any kind of occupying forces on muslim land is allowed. Subject to that its against enemy forces, no civilian either muslim or non-muslim is to be killed, specially in revenge attacks.
The sunni sect muftis & shia sect is unanimously against suicide attacks on muslims, which includes civilians & muslim security forces.

Quran is very specific, if u kill an innocent human being, u killed all the humanity.

This verse is very clear, but this situation was foretold to us by our Prophet PBUH, that a day will come when the person killing another human being will not know why he killing or killed the person, and the person getting killed won't know why he got killed.
The suicide bomber doesn't not knows why he killing innocent human beings, he has been brainwashed and his own thinking is gone.
 
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Some people say suicide is not allowed in war, then let me ask a question of today's world, what about the thousands of our soldiers martyred during highly risky missions where they knew they won't be coming back alive ?? They knew they won't live once they go on a one way mission, in other words a suicidal mission, no hope of returning back. what about the hundreds of SSG commandos infiltrated behind enemy lines in 65 war, they all knew its a one way mission, no returning back, so weren't they going on a suicidal mission ??

these SSG commandos & regular soldiers when go on such missions, they go with the thought to give their life in the way of Allah and defeat the enemy who poses a threat to fellow muslims & muslim land.

Similarly if a foreign force occupies ur land, muslim land, kill innocent muslims having no regret, what will u do ?? Sit at home and watch TV as americans do.
No, just like the above mentioned soldiers they strap bombs with the intention to kill enemy forces to liberate his homeland, to take revenge for the killing of his fellow muslims.

But all the sects condemn the suicide attacks where the person who is to launch the attack is brainwashed and his motive of attack is changed, he kills fellow muslims and muslim soldiers without knowing for what he killed fellow muslims, and the biggest sin would be killing of fellow muslims, strictly prohibited in Islam and by Glorious Qur'an.

As Qur'an says, Aamaal ka daromadar niyatoon per hai ' .

Its ur intentions that all matter, if u go with the thinking of your own that u are going in the way of Allah & give ur life for HIM, no problem.
But if u go and kill innocent muslims for some other purposes then that is haram.

baitullah mehsud & the swat taliban send suicide bombers for their own purposes killing innocent human being, they are not waging jihad, jihad is in aghanistan not here in pakistan.
 
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