Facial reconstruction of Indus Valley people

[Indos]

Don't make me post random photos of Punjab, Pakistan.

No need to post random photos, in this internet era, it is better to see on Youtube and see inside the mall, basically Punjabis in Pakistan and India looks the same as they all Punjabis. South Indian is rather different though.

While Pasthun is also different and has lighter skin

 

[Big Tank]

No need to post random photos, in this internet era, it is better to see on Youtube and see inside the mall, basically Punjabis in Pakistan and India looks the same as they all Punjabis. South Indian is rather different though.

While Pasthun is also different and has lighter skin

Exactly, that's my point. See the random population not specific Gernails or Politicians with facial treatments.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Native Punjabis are not having any Aryan or Iranic link.

I would prefer using the original terminology aryan, iran was an invented word and another very important reason origin of aryans was russia not present day iran.so a misnomer .
This is a foolish map and doesnt give much details.
Punjabi is not an ethnic identity but a geographic identity..In it people living in west and north have a pretty high aryan "link" not far from pakhtuns. Even the kashmiris have a major distinguished aryan dna component
The punjabies in south and east are mildly aryan(roughly 20-25% lesser R1a) . but its wrong to say they dont have aryan link. Even as you go further east towards ganges the aryan link is there pretty diminished by the time you are in bengal, even in south india... so technically they can claim aryan ancestry even if they have 1% of R1a. Just like pakhtuns khorasanis and eastern iran can claim IVC/ASI ancestry which they have regardless how minor it is...


Lastly color tone is not the only thing that reflects your dna but also your physical features and other biological aspects. Sometimes nature is random in it.
In summary Pakistanis have two major components aryan and IVC and which group tilts where can be seen in the graph below.

Only the migrated Punjabis like Awans, Syeds (real ones) are having Persian and Arab ancestry. Or anyone who just migrated from Mideast/Persia.

what about the aryan migration that happened 4000 years ago from BMAC to indus lands or the scythians that came in later from same route..your idea that aryan genes could only come out of persia or levant is incorrect..RSS nutjobs believe in a similar theory.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Looks like ancient Egyptians.

 

[Maira La]

No need to post random photos, in this internet era, it is better to see on Youtube and see inside the mall, basically Punjabis in Pakistan and India looks the same as they all Punjabis. South Indian is rather different though.

People in every province of India look different. Even 'South Indian' is not a single population like many people think, it's just a geographical identifier for people living in the southern half of the continent. And within each province every caste looks different.

 

[Maira La]

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This plot is perfect. It shows how modern Indus/Pakistani people plot in between ancient Indus and modern Tajiks/Pamiris.. basically a mix of ancient Indus (Neolithic farmers from Iran) and Indo-European ancestry. On the other hand all Indians including Brahmins are highly shifted towards Adivasi groups because of significant hunter gatherer ancestry.

 

[Chhatrapati]

diminished by the time you are in bengal

Your idea of R1a is based on appearance and is far from the reality, the Bengali Brahmins have the highest concentration (72%) of R1A in the entire South Asia including Afghanistan. With half of Manipuri(metei) people having R1A. And Meteis look like this.

In the South India it's high among the Forest dwelling tribes as well as Tamil Brahmins(31%).

This is how R1a is distributed, note R1a M780 is different from the European R1a M458 that is mostly found in Eastern Europe and Slavic States.

 

[Paitoo]

Your idea of R1a is based on appearance and is far from the reality, the Bengali Brahmins have the highest concentration (72%) of R1A in the entire South Asia including Afghanistan. With half of Manipuri(metei) people having R1A. And Meteis look like this.

Using genetics to conclude about facial features is a futile exercise. People who have never visited India cannot understand the diversity and contradictions they will encounter. There are Tam brahmins who look nothing like Dravidians, North Indians who look Dravidian, Maharashtrians who look like latinos etc. Leave alone south India, Karnataka itself has 3 distinct people who look completely different from each other - Coorgis, Tulus and Vokkaligas/Lingayats. Kerala is even more baffling with its generous mixture. It is very likely that the Indus valley people had high diversity among themselves too, and a few skull reconstructions prove nothing.

 

[Xestan]

What ?

Don't you think they resemble?

 

[EasyNow]

No they look bengali to me. Just add dark skin

Jokes aside what difference does it make? we are all humans apart from skin/hair/eye colors.

Wisest comment on this thread - depending on what colour you paint these faces they could be almost any race.

 

[Indos]

They look a bit like east asian and a bit like western. Very weird. Maybe that's why Vostok said Finns. Some Finns look strangely east asian.

The feature looks like European because the one who make the drawing is European. It is just showing different shape but exact feature they cannot predict. The best thing is to look on current Pakistani looks, I believe many skulls of Pakistani remain that can be studied.

Never trust Western people unless they bring scientific reason.

This is their reconstruction of Jesus feature which I will not believe. They just use Saddam Hussein feature LOL

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Or maybe it was decades or even less. But what do you think the Vedics / Aryans did to the IVC ?

People of IVC must have mostly accepted Sanskrit along with the Vedic order and became accultured to it.

Also, whatever happened to the IVC should have happened with all its sites.

Don't know what you mean?

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Whenever such topics come up, our resident champions of racial superiority come out.

One would think that people who claim to be believers in the Quran know what it says:

“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]. Verily, Allaah is All-Knowing, All Aware” [Quran 49:13]

however, it seems a lot here think that the white as snow Aryan Pakistanis are better than the ugly black as coal Indians.

I wonder how they feel when they meet Scandinavians and such people. Not only are they fairer but also much taller. Do they still use the same metric as they do with Indians to judge their worth?

 

[Cookie Monster]

I would prefer using the original terminology aryan, iran was an invented word and another very important reason origin of aryans was russia not present day iran.so a misnomer .
This is a foolish map and doesnt give much details.
Punjabi is not an ethnic identity but a geographic identity..In it people living in west and north have a pretty high aryan "link" not far from pakhtuns. Even the kashmiris have a major distinguished aryan dna component
The punjabies in south and east are mildly aryan(roughly 20-25% lesser R1a) . but its wrong to say they dont have aryan link. Even as you go further east towards ganges the aryan link is there pretty diminished by the time you are in bengal, even in south india... so technically they can claim aryan ancestry even if they have 1% of R1a. Just like pakhtuns khorasanis and eastern iran can claim IVC/ASI ancestry which they have regardless how minor it is...


Lastly color tone is not the only thing that reflects your dna but also your physical features and other biological aspects. Sometimes nature is random in it.
In summary Pakistanis have two major components aryan and IVC and which group tilts where can be seen in the graph below.
View attachment 787600

what about the aryan migration that happened 4000 years ago from BMAC to indus lands or the scythians that came in later from same route..your idea that aryan genes could only come out of persia or levant is incorrect..RSS nutjobs believe in a similar theory.

It says "kanjar" in the north Indian group

 

[jamahir]

Don't you think they resemble?

Well, your man has a thicker nose than those two and because he has a beard I am unable to decide.

This is their reconstruction of Jesus feature which I will not believe. They just use Saddam Hussein feature LOL

Saddam Hussein feature.

Well, I am not much interested in how the past people looked but am more interested in their ideas and deeds but just for academic curiosity how do you think Prophet Isa looked ?

People of IVC must have mostly accepted Sanskrit along with the Vedic order and became accultured to it.

So the IVC people just forgot their more sophisticated culture and assimilated with the invading Aryans ?

Don't know what you mean?

I mean there were multiple IVC settlements, yes ? So whatever happened at Hadappa that finished the IVC there would also have to have happened at Mohenjo-daro and at Dholavira and so on.