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WASHINGTON (AFP) – The F-35 fighter jet, set to replace a large part of the US warplane fleet, has become the most expensive weapons program ever, drawing increased scrutiny at a time of tight public finances.

Following a series of cost overruns and delays, the program is now expected to cost a whopping 382 billion dollars, for 2,443 aircraft.

The so-called 5th generation fighter was built with features designed to help avoid enemy radar and ensure American supremacy in the skies for decades.


But there is now the potential for competition from China, which this week unveiled its first radar-evading combat aircraft and fueled a sense of a military rivalry between the two powers.

At home, the Lockheed Martin F-35 is getting increased criticism even from some at the Pentagon.

Defense officials say the original cost estimates have now doubled to make each plane's price tag reach some 92 million dollars.

At the same time, the contract awarded in 2001 had been planned to last 10 years, but has been extended to 2016 because of testing and design issues.

Lockheed Martin, which is working with Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems, is developing three versions of the aircraft, which are being designed for ground attack as well as reconnaissance missions.

The F-35A is designed to replace the F-16 and A-10 of the US Air Force, while the F-35C is designed for deployment on aircraft carriers to supplant to F-18, and the F-35B would have a vertical takeoff capacity and replace Harrier aircraft.

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned the cost overruns cannot continue and expressed particular concern over the short take-off and vertical landing variant.

"The culture of endless money that has taken hold must be replaced by a culture of restraint," he said recently.

For the short-takeoff version, Gates has ordered "the equivalent of a two-year probation," adding that "if we cannot fix this variant during this time frame and get it back on track in terms of performance, cost and schedule, then I believe it should be canceled."

As part of a cost-saving drive, the Pentagon chief has decided to delay the purchase of 124 of the 449 units of this version until 2016.

Another bone of contention is a second engine being developed for the fighter by General Electric and Rolls Royce in case the Pratt & Whitney engine is not up to par. Gates contends this second engine is "unneeded."

Private analysts say the whole F-35 program is becoming a money pit.

"It's difficult to think of a civil or military program in the past decade that hasn't experienced similar delays and cost overruns."

Still, it may be hard to make many changes to the F-35 program because Britain and seven other countries have been closely involved in its development.

The United States is covering 90 percent of the cost of the development but has participation from Britain, Italy, Turkey, the Netherlands, Canada, Denmark, Norway and Australia.

Other nations, including Israel and Singapore, have signed contracts to buy the plane.

"The US wants a globalized JSF program for a combination of strategic and economic reasons," said Aboulafia.

"It greatly simplifies logistics, training and doctrine for coalition warfighting. Dominating the military aerospace export business is certainly a strong draw, too. It's as much an industrial policy as a fighter."

F-35 looking more like white elephant - Yahoo! News
 
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it's amazing that so much money can be spent on such a inferior product. F35 is junk
 
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F35B is pretty much dead. F35A and C only got though IOC because the us airforce greatly reduced the requirements for the jet.
 
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Cant believe people are bad mouthing an aircraft which has the backing of the only country in the world to have successfully produced and inducted Stealth aircrafts..This is their fourth/fifth stealth plane , others are still testing their first plane.. I guess normal misconception here is that a plane with internal weapon bay is a fifth gen airplane.
 
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Cant believe people are bad mouthing an aircraft which has the backing of the only country in the world to have successfully produced and inducted Stealth aircrafts..This is their fourth/fifth stealth plane , others are still testing their first plane.. I guess normal misconception here is that a plane with internal weapon bay is a fifth gen airplane.

well, america has standards. and that standard is the F-22.
 
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How effective F-35 'Stealth' capable to avoid modern radars today after F-117 Nighthawks Stealth was finally shot down in1999.

F-117 "stealth" isnt even up to par with the B-2 which has almost 4 times its wingspan.
 
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enlighten us on how the f-35 is junk.

ok i concede that it's not junk, but i am bitter over the production cancellation of the F-22 because of it.

my basic point is we could have filled our 5gen requirements with the superior F22

the F35 are now costing 92mil per plane and who knows how the total development costs will end up as.

instead what we should have done is put the F-22 into serial production and drive down it's cost.
 
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ok i concede that it's not junk, but i am bitter over the production cancellation of the F-22 because of it.

my basic point is we could have filled our 5gen requirements with the superior F22

the F35 are now costing 92mil per plane and who knows how the total development costs will end up as.

instead what we should have done is put the F-22 into serial production and drive down it's cost.

I agree, from talking to one of the senators on the defense appropriations committie. There is a chance we may see a renewed effort to approve a export F-22 variant. It has been stuck in political limbo. China's J-20 may be what is needed to spur action on it.

I also would like to see them cut 400 - 500 F-35's and replace them with about 300 upgraded F-22's.
 
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I agree, from talking to one of the senators on the defense appropriations committie. There is a chance we may see a renewed effort to approve a export F-22 variant. It has been stuck in political limbo. China's J-20 may be what is needed to spur action on it.

I also would like to see them cut 400 - 500 F-35's and replace them with about 300 upgraded F-22's.

well what we could do is export the F35 as is and go with the F22 domestically.

the STVOL F35B is pretty much dead anyways and i see no further benefit in keep throwing money at F35 development.
 
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well what we could do is export the F35 as is and go with the F22 domestically.

the STOVL F35B is pretty much dead anyways and i see no further benefit in keep throwing money at F35 development.

I have faith they will get the kinks worked out on the STOVL eventually. STOVL is a critical aircraft ability for the Marines. And the Harrier is simply to old.

The F-35 electronicly actually surpasses the F-22 in ability.


YouTube - F-35B - Taking STOVL to a New Level


YouTube - F-35 glass cockpit - How to fly and drop bombs (Real Sim)
 
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it's not just simple kinks, the problem is structural. the current build just don't have enough power to get off the ground with fuel + weapon load. they're working on a new engine for it now, but it's on a do or die deadline.
 
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