F-22 Raptor pilots practice simulated combat against Pakistan, UK & France Pilots

[Patriot]

"Six F-22 Raptor pilots returned Wednesday to Langley Air Force Base from a five-week training mission in the Middle East. Their trip marked the controversial aircraft's first extended test under harsh desert conditions.

The pilots, who are part of the 27th Fighter Squadron of Langley's 1st Fighter Wing, spent most of the deployment carrying out simulated combat missions at a training center in the United Arab Emirates, the Air Force said. They practiced against military pilots from Pakistan, Jordan, France and Britain."

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[PWFI]

we must show them pakistani M.M.Alam of 21st century!

 

[Windjammer]

F-22 Raptors return from training in Middle East

By Corinne Reilly

HAMPTON

Six F-22 Raptor pilots returned Wednesday to Langley Air Force Base from a five-week training mission in the Middle East. Their trip marked the controversial aircraft's first extended test under harsh desert conditions.

The pilots, who are part of the 27th Fighter Squadron of Langley's 1st Fighter Wing, spent most of the deployment carrying out simulated combat missions at a training center in the United Arab Emirates, the Air Force said. They practiced against military pilots from Pakistan, Jordan, France and Britain.




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[illuminatus]

Will be interesting to hear what the PAF pilots have to say about their experience against the F-22.

 

[zagahaga]

alot of people think the f-22 is a bad plane ... that it cant take on the su-30 or su-35 in combat but when i asked pilots who had f 18 hornets going up against f 22 they saide that when they went in to a circular dog fight with the f 22 they would losse air speed but the f 22 CTV (controled thrust vectoring) would let the plane turn tighter turns and have a better angle of lock on's. all in all the f-22 has far more agility as well soo all in all f16 vs f22 paf still be at nthe top

 

[TaimiKhan]

Through out history, fighter aircrafts from USA have shown their superiority and have an excellent combat record compared to Russian ones, so with such pass record F-22 can safely be assumed as the best currently what the world has.

They day it shows it battle worth, all the claims about it being not a good fighter will evaporate.

 

[zagahaga]

if i can ask but do su 30 or mig 29 ovt or su 35 or mig 35 have same thrust vectoring? like i mean when the f 22 turns its thrust vectoring flaps respond by taking sharper turns dose the russian jets have that capeability?

 

[F-16.Net]

A couple of photos of a PAF F-7P flying close to a USAF KC-10 Extender from the Iron Falcon 09 exercise.

 

[Imran Khan]

why the hell we send these oldest jets of af inventory to an international exercise.wy not fallcons?. they send raptor there damn

 

[TaimiKhan]

if i can ask but do su 30 or mig 29 ovt or su 35 or mig 35 have same thrust vectoring? like i mean when the f 22 turns its thrust vectoring flaps respond by taking sharper turns dose the russian jets have that capeability?

It seems to have some intelligent kind of thrust vectoring system, which i believe are not yet there in Russian ones.

 

[Windjammer]

It seems to have some intelligent kind of thrust vectoring system, which i believe are not yet there in Russian ones.

Apart from TV, it has super cruise mode and stealth quality.

 

[Windjammer]

A couple of photos of a PAF F-7P flying close to a USAF KC-10 Extender from the Iron Falcon 09 exercise.

Thanks for posting these but you will find that these are F-7PGs.

 

[FireFighter]

why the hell we send these oldest jets of af inventory to an international exercise.wy not fallcons?. they send raptor there damn

Chill yaar. They didn't send any raptors and there were no actual dog fights involving actual aircraft, they sent six raptor pilots who did simulated dogfights in a UAE AF training facility.

spent most of the deployment carrying out simulated combat missions at a training center in the United Arab Emirates

 

[rajeev]

alot of people think the f-22 is a bad plane ... that it cant take on the su-30 or su-35 in combat but when i asked pilots who had f 18 hornets going up against f 22 they saide that when they went in to a circular dog fight with the f 22 they would losse air speed but the f 22 CTV (controled thrust vectoring) would let the plane turn tighter turns and have a better angle of lock on's. all in all the f-22 has far more agility as well soo all in all f16 vs f22 paf still be at nthe top

There is no question of superiority or dog fight. F22 is basically invisible and it has much longer range. Any plane including S-30/S-35 all be shot down before they could even see the plane.

Regarding agility part, from my limited read I read Su-30 has very good moves and more tricks in its bag. But how can that even have a show when you cant even lock in the target. From what I read the jamming with F22 works real good, that you cant even shoot the plane even when you can see it- which by the way would be rare case.

 

[ptldM3]

alot of people think the f-22 is a bad plane ... that it cant take on the su-30 or su-35 in combat

The Raptor is the top dog right now, anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

but when i asked pilots who had f 18 hornets going up against f 22 they saide that when they went in to a circular dog fight with the f 22 they would losse air speed but the f 22 CTV (controled thrust vectoring) would let the plane turn tighter turns and have a better angle of lock on's. all in all the f-22 has far more agility as well soo all in all f16 vs f22 paf still be at nthe top

Canadian pilots trained against the Raptor? Anyways the F-18 isn't very agile compared to other American fighters. The German Mig-29 pilots had no problem against F-18's or even agaile F-16's. This was before the mig-29's has tvc. Today, however, mig 29's or mig-35's are offered with tvc.

Here's more on the German mig-29's:

But when all that is said and done, the MiG-29 is a superb fighter for close-in combat, even compared with aircraft like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18. This is due to the aircraft’s superb aerodynamics and helmet mounted sight. Inside ten nautical miles I’m hard to defeat, and with the IRST, helmet sight and ‘Archer’ I can’t be beaten. Period. Even against the latest Block 50 F-16s the MiG-29 is virtually invulnerable in the close-in scenario. On one occasion I remember the F-16s did score some kills eventually, but only after taking 18 ‘Archers’. We didn’t operate kill removal (forcing ‘killed’ aircraft to leave the fight) since they’d have got no training value, we killed them too quickly. (Just as we might seldom have got close-in if they used their AMRAAMs BVR!) They couldn’t believe it at the debrief, they got up and left the room!

"They might not like it, but with a 28deg/sec instantaneous turn rate (compared to the Block 50 F-16's 26deg) we can out-turn them. Our stable, manually controlled airplane can out-turn their FBW aircraft. But the real edge we have is the ‘Archer’ which can reliably lock on to targets 45deg off-boresight.

Luftwaffe MiG-29 experience - positives and negatives

from Jane's At the Controls: MiG-29, by Jon Lake

Through out history, fighter aircrafts from USA have shown their superiority and have an excellent combat record compared to Russian ones, so with such pass record F-22 can safely be assumed as the best currently what the world has.

They weren't so fortunate when they faced Russian pilots over North Korea, yes, Russian pilots, not Chinese, and not Korean, but Russian. Remember, the US pilots over Korea were aces from WWII, but dispite this many of them got shot down. American pilots have never faced a good airforce. Russian pilots flying the latest aircraft would also show "superiority" if they faced a poor airforce operating old American junk.

Russian Aces of the Korean War - MiG-15 Pilots versus USAF F-86s

It seems to have some intelligent kind of thrust vectoring system, which i believe are not yet there in Russian ones.

Sorry, but the Raptor TVC is anything but intelligent, it's just two slabs of steel deflecting the trust vertically. The Sukhoi's or Mig's TVC is 3d, meaning it can move in all directions.

F-22's tvc:

Mig-29 ovt tvc: