F-16 Rolls While SU-30 Crawls

[alikazmi007]

Yeah, I must say that was quite an anemic "air show" by IAF, super uninspiring....then what's the point of showboating!

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Those who follow pakistan china jf 17 and chinese j-11B excercises already know this. Su37 is a huge truck in comparison with f16 and jf17.

Its super heavy and huge so its always going to be less agile than 16 and 17. Also it can be tracked 3x time sooner as compared to 17. Because of huge rcs

There is a reason why nato calls them flankers.

Sorry posted the wrong video, here's the right one, just check the speed with which PAF F-16 enters the venue and performs the vertical rolls.

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Its a bad idea to try and dodge a missile going up vertically. Usually its done going down but yea this was for show

 

[Esgalduin]

The F16 has a better sustained turn rate than the Su-30MKI. The key word is "sustained." If you get both planes into a turning competition, you'll notice that the Sukhoi bleeds airspeed like crazy. Sure, its turning radius might be a match for or even better than the Viper's, but its turning rate is not the same. In aerial warfare, it does not matter how many Pughachev's Cobra maneuvers you can perform: if you can't maintain kinetic energy, that severely limits your ability to recover from high g maneuvers and still dictate the fight. In other words, the super maneuverability of the Sukhois is good enough at airshows, but you can't expect to survive against a fighter jet that can maintain its momentum after high G maneuvers. If the Sukhoi is anything like the Hornet (another twin-engine jet) in terms of maneuverability and higher Angle of Attack than the Viper, the only way it can best a F-16 in a "close-in, WW2-style" dogfight is at lower speeds and high AoA (pilot skill assumed constant).

P.S: I gladly welcome any corrections if my reasoning is incorrect. I aim to learn.

 

[LeGenD]

The f-16 is surely a piece of art crafted in heaven itself, sent to earth to remind Hindustan of the fabled heights it can never reach.

Dat poetry...

You are gifted, brother...

yea doing cobra . it will be impressive sight getting hit doing cobra

maybe the missile will hit the SU30 before the pilot had butts the panels

this was the result of party trick last February

wonder why she is smiling while others been to a funeral
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No dude, Su-30 with TVC is far more maneuverable then F-16. In modern air warfare its gonna be VERY rare for fighter jets to engage in dog fights.

Bro,

It makes sense to equip a large and heavy combat aircraft such as Su-30 with TVC engines in order to improve its maneuverability, but this is actually compensation.

Airframe design in itself can be optimized for maneuverability otherwise and TVC engines are not necessary therefore.

My point is that TVC engines are not necessarily an advantage for a Russian combat aircraft when compared to American designs.

F-16 airframe is all about maneuverability on its own with the right size, shaping and construction materials. Americans have mastered the art of constructing fantastic airframes for the needful while Russians have to compensate with TVC engines.

 

[AMRAAM]

Check out the difference in how the SU-30 of the Indian airforce and F-16 belonging to the Pakistan airforce perform the same maneuver during their respective day occasion. The IAF uses it's SU-30s in what it calls vertical Charlie while PAF calls them Vertical Rolls.

IAF SU-30MKI performing vertical Charlie Rolls at the end of the flypast. (Max-3 Rolls)

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PAF F-16 executing 12 High G Vertical rolls.

F-16 is looking way more maneuverable the su-30

 

[Windjammer]

The F16 has a better sustained turn rate than the Su-30MKI. The key word is "sustained." If you get both planes into a turning competition, you'll notice that the Sukhoi bleeds airspeed like crazy. Sure, its turning radius might be a match for or even better than the Viper's, but its turning rate is not the same. In aerial warfare, it does not matter how many Pughachev's Cobra maneuvers you can perform: if you can't maintain kinetic energy, that severely limits your ability to recover from high g maneuvers and still dictate the fight. In other words, the super maneuverability of the Sukhois is good enough at airshows, but you can't expect to survive against a fighter jet that can maintain its momentum after high G maneuvers. If the Sukhoi is anything like the Hornet (another twin-engine jet) in terms of maneuverability and higher Angle of Attack than the Viper, the only way it can best a F-16 in a "close-in, WW2-style" dogfight is at lower speeds and high AoA (pilot skill assumed constant).

P.S: I gladly welcome any corrections if my reasoning is incorrect. I aim to learn.

Exactly, it's very obvious that as the SU-30 enters into what the Indians call vertical charlie, it seems to rapidly lose energy even with afterburners engaged while if you notice the F-16 seems to gain speed as it executes the vertical rolls.....also although the SU-30 runs in fast but it then slows down before pulling up while the F-16 continues it's ascent at the same speed.

 

[JohnWick]

The F16 has a better sustained turn rate than the Su-30MKI. The key word is "sustained." If you get both planes into a turning competition, you'll notice that the Sukhoi bleeds airspeed like crazy. Sure, its turning radius might be a match for or even better than the Viper's, but its turning rate is not the same. In aerial warfare, it does not matter how many Pughachev's Cobra maneuvers you can perform: if you can't maintain kinetic energy, that severely limits your ability to recover from high g maneuvers and still dictate the fight. In other words, the super maneuverability of the Sukhois is good enough at airshows, but you can't expect to survive against a fighter jet that can maintain its momentum after high G maneuvers. If the Sukhoi is anything like the Hornet (another twin-engine jet) in terms of maneuverability and higher Angle of Attack than the Viper, the only way it can best a F-16 in a "close-in, WW2-style" dogfight is at lower speeds and high AoA (pilot skill assumed constant).

P.S: I gladly welcome any corrections if my reasoning is incorrect. I aim to learn.

Exactly, it's very obvious that as the SU-30 enters into what the Indians call vertical charlie, it seems to rapidly lose energy even with afterburners engaged while if you notice the F-16 seems to gain speed as it executes the vertical rolls.....also although the SU-30 runs in fast but it then slows down before pulling up while the F-16 continues it's ascent at the same speed.

 

[Windjammer]

Dude we are discussing SU-30 not the SU-35.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Dude we are discussing SU-30 not the SU-35.

Mki India has is almost the same thing.

 

[TexasJohn]

The f-16 is surely a piece of art crafted in heaven itself, sent to earth to remind Hindustan of the fabled heights it can never reach.

Thank you very much for calling Texas heaven! But then again, I knew that all along!! LOL

 

[Windjammer]

Mki India has is almost the same thing.

Hardly...apart from others here are some main differences.

SU-30 is two-seater aircraft whereas SU-35 is a single-seater multipurpose fighter aircraft.
The speed of SU-30 and SU-35 are 1.9 and 2.25 Mach respectively.
SU-30 can not carry external drop tanks for additional fuel whereas SU-35 can carry two drop tanks each with 1400 liters.

 

[Wrath]

Check out the difference in how the SU-30 of the Indian airforce and F-16 belonging to the Pakistan airforce perform the same maneuver during their respective day occasion. The IAF uses it's SU-30s in what it calls vertical Charlie while PAF calls them Vertical Rolls.

IAF SU-30MKI performing vertical Charlie Rolls at the end of the flypast. (Max-3 Rolls)

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PAF F-16 executing 12 High G Vertical rolls.

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[Wrath]

Check out the difference in how the SU-30 of the Indian airforce and F-16 belonging to the Pakistan airforce perform the same maneuver during their respective day occasion. The IAF uses it's SU-30s in what it calls vertical Charlie while PAF calls them Vertical Rolls.

IAF SU-30MKI performing vertical Charlie Rolls at the end of the flypast. (Max-3 Rolls)

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PAF F-16 executing 12 High G Vertical rolls.

Sesky piece of art , our F-16

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Check out the difference in how the SU-30 of the Indian airforce and F-16 belonging to the Pakistan airforce perform the same maneuver during their respective day occasion. The IAF uses it's SU-30s in what it calls vertical Charlie while PAF calls them Vertical Rolls.

IAF SU-30MKI performing vertical Charlie Rolls at the end of the flypast. (Max-3 Rolls)

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PAF F-16 executing 12 High G Vertical rolls.

Before criticize Su30 MKI, you should have google it

Many videos are there and available in Youtube.

Absolutely not. The TVC nozzle will enable Su-30 to perform certain maneuvers which in real combat are rarely used. The F-16 is a very agile fighter compared to Su-30. Maneuverability wise the F-16 obviously has a big edge.

Russians planes are far better if comes to Maneuverability as per the records.

Western countries does not give priority to Maneuverability but Russian does.

 

[Windjammer]

Before criticize Su30 MKI, you should have google it

Many videos are there and available in Youtube.

Since you are keen to fire over others shoulders, perhaps i should also post videos of Solo Turk or Thunderbirds in action, now read my OP slowly and try to understand the subject before posting random videos.

Russians planes are far better if comes to Maneuverability as per the records.

Western countries does not give priority to Maneuverability but Russian does.

Can you show those records, Russian aircraft are always big and bulky while Western jets are compact and Nimble.....tell me to date which Russian aircraft has established a reputation like many from West.