F-16 didn’t down India’s MiG-21 Bison, says top Chinese military expert

[Zarvan]

A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight .(HT Photo )


A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight when the two air forces had scrambled jets along the Line of Control (LoC).

Professor Jin Yinan from the elite National Defence University (NDU) of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) hints - without actually saying so - that it could have been a China-built jet, possibly the jointly built JF-17 fighter aircraft, which shot down India’s jet.

Jin also argued that it wasn’t a surface-to-air missile that hit the MiG-21 Bison but an air-to-air projectile.

Jin’s interview was first published earlier this month on a Chinese website run by the PLA where he picked holes in the narrative that it was an F-16, which shot down the Indian aircraft.

Jin, a retired general and an author, was a director of the strategic research institute at the NDU.

“Expert: Who shot down India’s MiG-21 in India-Pakistan air battle?” was the headline of the English version of the interview.

“The Indian side tried to find reasons for its loss, saying that Pakistan had dispatched its most advanced F-16 fighters, which was denied. Pakistan’s saying is more reliable for three reasons,” he said

“First, the sales of F-16 fighters had been cut off by the US, so Pakistan now has only less than 20 such aircraft left, not to mention how many of which could still perform a flight mission,” Jin said.

“Second, Pakistan had signed an ‘agreement’ with the US, which banned the use of F-16 fighters in offensive operations. This time, Indian warplanes flew into the Pakistani airspace and attacked ground targets first, and then Pakistan sent aircraft into India’s airspace for retaliation. From this perspective, it was a retaliatory, offensive operation conducted by Pakistan, in which the F-16 was inapplicable according to the aforesaid agreement.”

Jin then argued that the Indian Air Force is well aware of the capabilities of the US-made jets including firepower and radar frequencies.

“Third, the Indian military had already obtained basic data about the F-16 jets. The U.S. planned to export the F-21 - an upgraded version of the F-16 - to India, so it had informed the Indian side of all performance parameters about the aircraft. For this reason, India is familiar with the combating performances of the F-16, including its fire-control and searching radar frequency,” the PLA expert said.

“Given all this, Pakistan was unlikely to use its F-16 fighters in the air battle because there was a small chance to win even if it sent out the aircraft.”

Asked what kind of missile would have hit the Indian jet, Jin said it was an air-to-air missile.

“All existing signs indicate that it is improbable a surface-to-air missile. The wreckage of the MiG-21 fighter jet should be comminuted debris caused by the cellular explosion. However, it is evident that part of the crashed MiG-21 fighter jet was cut by a missile, instead of exploding in the air. It was directly hit by a missile warhead. In this case, it is unlikely to be a surface-to-air missile, but probably an air-to-air missile,” he said.

Interestingly, about two weeks after the India-Pakistan clash, China announced that Beijing and Islamabad have begun upgrading their jointly developed JF-17 fighter jet.

“The development and production of the JF-17 Block 3 are underway,” Yang Wei, a Chinese legislator and chief designer of the China-Pakistan co-developed fighter jet, was quoted as saying by the state media.

Jin said IAF’s frontier jets are in poor shape and flying “outdated” aircraft.

“The aircraft equipped in India’s frontier troops are poor in performance. For instance, the MiG-21 fighter is already outdated. The captured Indian pilot is a senior wing commander. Among air force pilots, wing commander is already a high military ranking, who needs to fly at least 1,000 hours, so he is actually an experienced pilot. However, limited by its backward avionics, the MiG-21 fighter’s search radar could not detect the enemy and its fire-control radar cannot guide medium-range air-to-air missiles,” Jin said.

The expert added: “So, it could not perform preemptive detection and firing. As a result, it was detected and shot down first by the enemy. If the Indian military commissioned some more advanced fighters in the frontier, it would not only enhance its image but also not lose so badly. This is a feature of air warfare: a single pilot and a single aircraft can determine the result of an air battle”.

First Published: Mar 24, 2019 18:40 IST

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...OaumkLLNrqlib2xZ4eMCUI0AfoswBWg4rOmbI1RhP_btQ

 

[Sunan]

Indians will take years to accept publically that it was Jf 17 Thunder who shoot down their Jet.Low life idiots will never show truth to their public.

 

[Meliodas]

A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight .(HT Photo )


A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight when the two air forces had scrambled jets along the Line of Control (LoC).

Professor Jin Yinan from the elite National Defence University (NDU) of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) hints - without actually saying so - that it could have been a China-built jet, possibly the jointly built JF-17 fighter aircraft, which shot down India’s jet.

Jin also argued that it wasn’t a surface-to-air missile that hit the MiG-21 Bison but an air-to-air projectile.

Jin’s interview was first published earlier this month on a Chinese website run by the PLA where he picked holes in the narrative that it was an F-16, which shot down the Indian aircraft.

Jin, a retired general and an author, was a director of the strategic research institute at the NDU.

“Expert: Who shot down India’s MiG-21 in India-Pakistan air battle?” was the headline of the English version of the interview.

“The Indian side tried to find reasons for its loss, saying that Pakistan had dispatched its most advanced F-16 fighters, which was denied. Pakistan’s saying is more reliable for three reasons,” he said

“First, the sales of F-16 fighters had been cut off by the US, so Pakistan now has only less than 20 such aircraft left, not to mention how many of which could still perform a flight mission,” Jin said.

“Second, Pakistan had signed an ‘agreement’ with the US, which banned the use of F-16 fighters in offensive operations. This time, Indian warplanes flew into the Pakistani airspace and attacked ground targets first, and then Pakistan sent aircraft into India’s airspace for retaliation. From this perspective, it was a retaliatory, offensive operation conducted by Pakistan, in which the F-16 was inapplicable according to the aforesaid agreement.”

Jin then argued that the Indian Air Force is well aware of the capabilities of the US-made jets including firepower and radar frequencies.

“Third, the Indian military had already obtained basic data about the F-16 jets. The U.S. planned to export the F-21 - an upgraded version of the F-16 - to India, so it had informed the Indian side of all performance parameters about the aircraft. For this reason, India is familiar with the combating performances of the F-16, including its fire-control and searching radar frequency,” the PLA expert said.

“Given all this, Pakistan was unlikely to use its F-16 fighters in the air battle because there was a small chance to win even if it sent out the aircraft.”

Asked what kind of missile would have hit the Indian jet, Jin said it was an air-to-air missile.

“All existing signs indicate that it is improbable a surface-to-air missile. The wreckage of the MiG-21 fighter jet should be comminuted debris caused by the cellular explosion. However, it is evident that part of the crashed MiG-21 fighter jet was cut by a missile, instead of exploding in the air. It was directly hit by a missile warhead. In this case, it is unlikely to be a surface-to-air missile, but probably an air-to-air missile,” he said.

Interestingly, about two weeks after the India-Pakistan clash, China announced that Beijing and Islamabad have begun upgrading their jointly developed JF-17 fighter jet.

“The development and production of the JF-17 Block 3 are underway,” Yang Wei, a Chinese legislator and chief designer of the China-Pakistan co-developed fighter jet, was quoted as saying by the state media.

Jin said IAF’s frontier jets are in poor shape and flying “outdated” aircraft.

“The aircraft equipped in India’s frontier troops are poor in performance. For instance, the MiG-21 fighter is already outdated. The captured Indian pilot is a senior wing commander. Among air force pilots, wing commander is already a high military ranking, who needs to fly at least 1,000 hours, so he is actually an experienced pilot. However, limited by its backward avionics, the MiG-21 fighter’s search radar could not detect the enemy and its fire-control radar cannot guide medium-range air-to-air missiles,” Jin said.

The expert added: “So, it could not perform preemptive detection and firing. As a result, it was detected and shot down first by the enemy. If the Indian military commissioned some more advanced fighters in the frontier, it would not only enhance its image but also not lose so badly. This is a feature of air warfare: a single pilot and a single aircraft can determine the result of an air battle”.

First Published: Mar 24, 2019 18:40 IST

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...OaumkLLNrqlib2xZ4eMCUI0AfoswBWg4rOmbI1RhP_btQ

Pakistan has less than 20 f16s and less operational???

 

[Sully3]

Chinese professor says that pakistan has less then 20 operational f-16s.

which is completly wrong.

according to wiki PAF has 85 F-16s
Block A-B = 66 jets
Block C-D = 19 jets

maybe the chinese professor was talking about the upgraded Block C-D f16's which PAF only has 19 off.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Pakistan has less than 20 f16s and less operational???

He is referring to the latest block which Pakistan Has. Block 52..

 

[Oruc]

less than 20. Kar lo gal.

 

[Avicenna]

He is referring to the latest block which Pakistan Has. Block 52..

45 MLU'd A/B

13 ADF (ex-Jordanian)

18 C/D

Total: 76

 

[Imran Khan]

Chinese professor says that pakistan has less then 20 operational f-16s.

which is completly wrong.

according to wiki PAF has 85 F-16s
Block A-B = 66 jets
Block C-D = 19 jets

maybe the chinese professor was talking about the upgraded Block C-D f16's which PAF only has 19 off.

he was talking about block 52+ sir

 

[Sully3]

he was talking about block 52+ sir

Sir, are block 52 the upgraded C and D or they are Block A and B ?

 

[Avicenna]

Sir, are block 52 the upgraded C and D or they are Block A and B ?

Block 52 are new builds from circa 2010.

Go to F-16.net for some more info.

 

[Imran Khan]

Sir, are block 52 the upgraded C and D or they are Block A and B ?

my brother bloack-52+ it self is C & D . no upgrade needed . block 10-15-20-30-40-42 need to upgrade to block-52 so they can be called C&D or MLUed .

 

[Tom_Cruise]

He's talking shit. PAF doesn't have less than 20 F-16's and if you think he's referring to Blk 52s, what about the F-16A/B's? He seems to have forgotten those. Those are more than capable of interception.

His points are meant for amateurs.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

45 MLU'd A/B

13 ADF (ex-Jordanian)

18 C/D

Total: 76

My brother 18 C/D are the latest rest are MLU

 

[Dazzler]

A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight .(HT Photo )


A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight when the two air forces had scrambled jets along the Line of Control (LoC).

Professor Jin Yinan from the elite National Defence University (NDU) of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) hints - without actually saying so - that it could have been a China-built jet, possibly the jointly built JF-17 fighter aircraft, which shot down India’s jet.

Jin also argued that it wasn’t a surface-to-air missile that hit the MiG-21 Bison but an air-to-air projectile.

Jin’s interview was first published earlier this month on a Chinese website run by the PLA where he picked holes in the narrative that it was an F-16, which shot down the Indian aircraft.

Jin, a retired general and an author, was a director of the strategic research institute at the NDU.

“Expert: Who shot down India’s MiG-21 in India-Pakistan air battle?” was the headline of the English version of the interview.

“The Indian side tried to find reasons for its loss, saying that Pakistan had dispatched its most advanced F-16 fighters, which was denied. Pakistan’s saying is more reliable for three reasons,” he said

“First, the sales of F-16 fighters had been cut off by the US, so Pakistan now has only less than 20 such aircraft left, not to mention how many of which could still perform a flight mission,” Jin said.

“Second, Pakistan had signed an ‘agreement’ with the US, which banned the use of F-16 fighters in offensive operations. This time, Indian warplanes flew into the Pakistani airspace and attacked ground targets first, and then Pakistan sent aircraft into India’s airspace for retaliation. From this perspective, it was a retaliatory, offensive operation conducted by Pakistan, in which the F-16 was inapplicable according to the aforesaid agreement.”

Jin then argued that the Indian Air Force is well aware of the capabilities of the US-made jets including firepower and radar frequencies.

“Third, the Indian military had already obtained basic data about the F-16 jets. The U.S. planned to export the F-21 - an upgraded version of the F-16 - to India, so it had informed the Indian side of all performance parameters about the aircraft. For this reason, India is familiar with the combating performances of the F-16, including its fire-control and searching radar frequency,” the PLA expert said.

“Given all this, Pakistan was unlikely to use its F-16 fighters in the air battle because there was a small chance to win even if it sent out the aircraft.”

Asked what kind of missile would have hit the Indian jet, Jin said it was an air-to-air missile.

“All existing signs indicate that it is improbable a surface-to-air missile. The wreckage of the MiG-21 fighter jet should be comminuted debris caused by the cellular explosion. However, it is evident that part of the crashed MiG-21 fighter jet was cut by a missile, instead of exploding in the air. It was directly hit by a missile warhead. In this case, it is unlikely to be a surface-to-air missile, but probably an air-to-air missile,” he said.

Interestingly, about two weeks after the India-Pakistan clash, China announced that Beijing and Islamabad have begun upgrading their jointly developed JF-17 fighter jet.

“The development and production of the JF-17 Block 3 are underway,” Yang Wei, a Chinese legislator and chief designer of the China-Pakistan co-developed fighter jet, was quoted as saying by the state media.

Jin said IAF’s frontier jets are in poor shape and flying “outdated” aircraft.

“The aircraft equipped in India’s frontier troops are poor in performance. For instance, the MiG-21 fighter is already outdated. The captured Indian pilot is a senior wing commander. Among air force pilots, wing commander is already a high military ranking, who needs to fly at least 1,000 hours, so he is actually an experienced pilot. However, limited by its backward avionics, the MiG-21 fighter’s search radar could not detect the enemy and its fire-control radar cannot guide medium-range air-to-air missiles,” Jin said.

The expert added: “So, it could not perform preemptive detection and firing. As a result, it was detected and shot down first by the enemy. If the Indian military commissioned some more advanced fighters in the frontier, it would not only enhance its image but also not lose so badly. This is a feature of air warfare: a single pilot and a single aircraft can determine the result of an air battle”.

First Published: Mar 24, 2019 18:40 IST

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...OaumkLLNrqlib2xZ4eMCUI0AfoswBWg4rOmbI1RhP_btQ

When you have experts puzzled and scratch their heads, you should realize that something beyond ordinary has happened.

My sympathies with the Chines expert.

 

[litman]

and prof Jin has full access to all the systems operated by paf.