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F-16 And The Indian Nightmare.

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By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard
Aero India 09, Yelahanka Air Base

As the F-16 fighter roars into the skies of Bengaluru at the Aero India 09 show, all attention is on the wonderful aerobatics display it puts up, not on the tiny flag of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) on its tail. But the fact is, two of the four F-16s brought here by Lockheed Martin belong to the UAE air force.

Two intriguing questions immediately arise: Firstly, were these aircraft flown, perhaps just days ago, by combat pilots from the Pakistani Air Force (PAF), which has long sent its officers on deputation to fly UAE fighters? Would these very aircraft, now here on a sales pitch by Lockheed Martin, have been bombing India in the event of a war with Pakistan?

Senior Indian Air Force (IAF) officers have confirmed to Business Standard that, in any war with India, Pakistan could field up to two squadrons of F-16 aircraft borrowed from Arab nations, where its pilots are posted on deputation.

Air Commodore Jasjit Singh, who won a Vir Chakra in combat in 1971 and went on to head the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis (IDSA) points out, “This has happened regularly. In 1965, the Jordanian Air Force supplied F-104 Starfighters to Pakistan, one of which was even shot down by the IAF. In 1971, Turkey and Iran had supplied F-86 Sabres to the PAF. I wouldn’t rule out a repeat of this kind of help.”

Air Marshal Vinod Patney, the top air force field commander during the Kargil conflict, also believes the UAE Air Force F-16s could be used against India. He reasons, “There are Pakistani pilots there in the UAE: fact. They are flying their F-16s: fact. There is a close military relationship between those countries: fact. I would not rule out Islamic solidarity coming into play in the event of a war with India.”

Clearly visible on the UAE Air Force F-16s on display in Bangalore is an extra fuel tank, just above the wing, specially built for the batch of F-16s ordered by the UAE. The IAF believes UAE asked Lockheed Martin for the extra range to allow the Pakistani pilots in the UAE to reach Indian targets, deliver their weapons, and then fly to a Pakistani base from where they could operate for the rest of the war.

Air Chief Marshal SC Tyagi, the IAF chief until 2007, recounts, “In the Arab-Israeli war in 1967, Pakistani pilots even flew Jordanian and Iraqi fighter aircraft in combat missions against the Israeli Air Force. One Bengali pilot from East Pakistan shot down two Israeli Mystere jets during that war. There was an agreement to help each other. But the world has moved on; it’s an open question whether such an agreement exists today.”

Lockheed Martin told Business Standard that they had no idea whether Pakistani pilots had recently flown the F-16s, now in Bangalore. Douglas Hartwick, CEO of Lockheed Martin India Pvt Ltd explained, “We just leased these planes from the UAE Air Force.”

India’s strategic community is concerned about F-16 aircraft being evaluated by India despite their being in service in Pakistan. Air Chief Marshal Fali Major, the air force chief, told a press conference at the Aero India that he was not concerned, as the IAF would equip the fighters that they bought (even if they were F-16s) very differently from the PAF, and use “home-grown” tactics while flying them. But when pressed on the issue he admitted, “I am not happy that someone else has something that I have. But that’s the way the world works
 
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Too many loose ends.... all i understand from article is that nightmare is not F-16 it is the pilots flying them and their legacy.....which is haunting IAF.

Here i would quote the reply from InAF cheif:
“that’s the way the world works ''
 
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I have always been thinking that how come PAF get support from our friends in the tough times and this article has helped me understand that. When our pilots are already flying those machines on behalf of UAE, they would have enough experience and grip on those birds which are slightly different from our F-16s and can reach to add to Pakistan's defense within hours. Good, I am happy to know that we have backups in case.

India is talking of 2 squadrons, I think 12 squadrons could come to defend this territory and Turkey is one great country to count on for that who is the second largest operators of F-16s after USA.
 
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Too many loose ends.... all i understand from article is that nightmare is not F-16 it is the pilots flying them and their legacy.....which is haunting IAF.

Here i would quote the reply from InAF cheif:
“that’s the way the world works ''

Well Bro, the nightmare is indeed F-16s in the hands of PAF, but obviously the moral comes into equation hence the Indian Airchief was adamant to add,

“I am not happy that someone else has something that I have".
The Indian warlords were sounding same alarms, even when the Arab air forces were equipped with Mirages.
 
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At least some fairy tale stories keeping somebody happy and providing good night sleep.

I am sure that you are praising the author of the topic alas your very own countryman!!!!!!!
 
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This is a bit old article and I've read it before.

The world has changed tremendously since 1960s and 1970s and no country would risk entering a conflict directly unless the war effects its immediate interests.

Even if some nations do decide to help Pakistan, who will they be? UAE? Turkey? Iran? Jordan?

That's scary man... :lol:

Too bad Pakistan could not prevent the inevitable in 1965 and 1971 even after receiving massive aid from these nations. :P
 
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Do you think India would nuke these Countries or what ?:rofl::rofl:

No not at all...as if nuking someone is a joke..However in today's world you cannot just choose one country at the expense of others...You typically want to have a balanced approach... Here are some links that can give an idea on trade volume between UAE and India, UAE and PAK...Now please note that i am not saying UAE will choose India over PAK...all i am saying is that simply alienating India might not be as easy a thing as in the past....

India-UAE trade likely to exceed $25 bn by 2010
Article: India-Dubai trade records 74 percent rise - The Hindustan Times | HighBeam Research - FREE trial

gulfnews : UAE-Pakistan trade touches $7b
 
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^^ go sleep home if you have nothing ot talk about subject matter.
 
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^^ go sleep home if you have nothing ot talk about subject matter.

Is this for me??? I replied back to the post that you have thanked....How come it is not related to subject matter???
 
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This is a bit old article and I've read it before.

The world has changed tremendously since 1960s and 1970s and no country would risk entering a conflict directly unless the war effects its immediate interests.

Even if some nations do decide to help Pakistan, who will they be? UAE? Turkey? Iran? Jordan?

That's scary man... :lol:

Too bad Pakistan could not prevent the inevitable in 1965 and 1971 even after receiving massive aid from these nations. :P


Believe me, Turkey know the Importance of Pakistan !

The Pakistanis supportet our Indepence War against the the Imperalists, Turkey as Nation is Pakistan forever thankfull for that Kind of Help. If Pakistan is in trouble, enough turkish People will bring Victims for their Brothers in Pakistan ! When we(Turkey) as Nation are threatend with Nukes, we work also for sure on this Weapons to deliever the Nations who are killing our People with Nuke a deastating Nuclear Punch !

There no Reason for Turkey do not Support Pakistan in Case of War with the Blood of our Soldiers !
 
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Believe me, Turkey know the Importance of Pakistan !

The Pakistanis supportet our Indepence War against the the Imperalists, Turkey as Nation is Pakistan forever thankfull for that Kind of Help. If Pakistan is in trouble, enough turkish People will bring Victims for their Brothers in Pakistan ! When we(Turkey) as Nation are threatend with Nukes, we work also for sure on this Weapons to deliever the Nations who are killing our People with Nuke a deastating Nuclear Punch !

There no Reason for Turkey do not Support Pakistan in Case of War with the Blood of our Soldiers !

It is good that you have such nice feelings about Pakistan and consider them as your brothers....but understand today's world...It is very different than what it was few decades ago...Its time of "GLOBAL ECONOMY".....In today's geo-politics one knows there are no permanent friends or enemies...Unless and until Turkey's strategic interest are compromised i doubt they will pitch openly agaisnt India(but then this is just my opinion)...Anyways just some links regarding trade volumes....


The Hindu Business Line : India-Turkey trade grows 300% in five years

Turkey-Pakistan Preferential Trade Agreement (PTA) | Pakistan Daily
 
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Believe me, Turkey know the Importance of Pakistan !

The Pakistanis supportet our Indepence War against the the Imperalists, Turkey as Nation is Pakistan forever thankfull for that Kind of Help. If Pakistan is in trouble, enough turkish People will bring Victims for their Brothers in Pakistan ! When we(Turkey) as Nation are threatend with Nukes, we work also for sure on this Weapons to deliever the Nations who are killing our People with Nuke a deastating Nuclear Punch !

There no Reason for Turkey do not Support Pakistan in Case of War with the Blood of our Soldiers !

Thats a news to me... when did that happened ?
 
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