Extreme Pakistan Bashing

[TheSolution]

You will be the happiest man if pashtuns separate..wouldn't you be.

Why do you think that?

I'm asking for genuine reason if they have a contingency plan for civil war scenario in KPK.

More and more of them especially in diaspora are anti-state as @Mirzali Khan said due to GHQ's incompetence and shitty management of practically the entire country, and then Afghanistan prodding next door... It's looking likely.

I can't be the only one sensing it, is it not obvious

 

[Olympus81]

Imran can't rule without deep state on board.. he realizes it..but he is giving the tease to see the stretch and political clout he can get out of it and at same time doesn't let his party people speak much on it Instead have them meet establishment regularly. To settle issues..a pretty similar strategy to that of Benazir... Benazir was more harsh on establishment..

When will the specific dumb pti supporters get that Imran can't rule without deep state on board.

From a political standpoint, this is what Imran Khan and Establishment are negotiating.

Imran Khan would be of the view that establishment plays a ‘supportive’ role and political party playing the ‘leadership’ role.

Never happened in Pakistan’s history but if this happens, it will be for everyone’s good. If the establishment still persists with their over bloated role then all bets are off.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

From a political standpoint, this is what Imran Khan and Establishment are negotiating.

Imran Khan would be of the view that establishment plays a ‘supportive’ role and political party playing the ‘leadership’ role.

Never happened in Pakistan’s history but if this happens, it will be for everyone’s good. If the establishment still persists with their over bloated role then all bets are off.

you are forgetting a very important thing that democratic leaders come for 5 years . State exists..If they do shit like making buzdar cm they lose respect..and so someone else comes for next 5 years.. State still exists the whole time to make sure the transfer of power happens smoothly and plays othe role in arbitration when and where required..that's exactly the support a leader needs. Bajwa supported Imran uptil October and Imran is on record admitting to it .
And no..it actually happened in Pakistan during 70s.State had little role after 71 and bhutto ran the show.
After a few Initial years of harmony the politicians were at arms length with bhutto ..and eventually a full revolt. Nationalization policy destoryed pakistan economy of which we see signs till date .

Bajwa did stuff for Imran he shouldn't have done and were extra constitutional.. yet when procedure of isi chief summary came Imran and his cronies wanted it to be done constitutionally.. lol
Imrans acceptability is in urban places... but in the tribal areas and country side he doesn't stand a chance.thats where he needs arbitration that only state can do for him.

Bajwa had no issues with Imrans gaps with biden admin..but one thing he wanted Imran was to not be too vocal about it.when you are weak and intenally troubled you can't have a free foreign policy.. one has to resort to diplomacy and balance. The Cypher allegation on US damaged his own terms with biden.. on which he eventually took a u turn on.

 

[Imran Khan]

Only thing that allowed Pakistan to bounce back during those times was it was reliant on a foreign power. There's no one to save Pakistan and the IMF is showing the finger to Ishaq Dar.

PAkistan is already de faulted sir

Life of people will get worse after becoming srilanka nepal bhutan .....state being divided and abolished means any hope of having a balance of power in the region will diminish..with western provinces seeing mass afghan demographic influx and Eastern provinces seeing extreme economic projection. enslaving it like Bangladesh of today.. I'm sure you would love to be the gold digger second wife who can sell her respect for an umbrella. .. that will open doors to greater cultural exchanges for reaping small economic benefits which will make your future generations a Charba of Shahrukh khan and abdula abdula who will bloat about their gdp for which they would show up at Pooja paat to get blessing of the politicians. your relatiively better HDI you will make you lose the cultural and religious values and eventually your generations will assimilate and disappear. A revenge pending for 1000 years..
I personally would prefer to die as poor villager with some honor than a slave of an outsider .with few trinkets..not sure about you

You want army to be turned into punjab police?

Bla bla bla nothing worthy to read . I better be citizen of bhutan BD nepal then pakistan .UAE is best example here .pakistan os failed state and it failed by pak military .

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

PAkistan is already de faulted sir

Bla bla bla nothing worthy to read . I better be citizen of bhutan BD nepal then pakistan .UAE is best example here .pakistan os failed state and it failed by pak military .

Ya.. UAE and bhutan are definitely same category.lol
I think you are not fit to comment on pakistani issues if your self esteeme is so low.

Allah Allah karo baawio

 

[Imran Khan]

Ya.. UAE and bhutan are definitely same category.lol
I think you not fit to comment on pakistani issues of your self esteeme is so low.

Allah Allah karo baawio

Bhutan is happiest nation on earth for decades .when was last time bomb blaseted in bhutan ? Any terror attack ? Even mass killing ? Suicides ? Marahallaw? Nothing .living in bhutan is blessing .

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Bhutan is happiest nation on earth for decades .when was last time bomb blaseted in bhutan ? Any terror attack ? Even mass killing ? Suicides ? Marahallaw? Nothing .living in bhutan is blessing .

Bhutans population is that of bhawalpur city
Atleast put some perspective before you make comparisons.

 

[Imran Khan]

Bhutans population is that of bhawalpur city
Atleast put some perspective before you make comparisons.

Ok then break pakistan to many countires like bahawalpur .

 

[Olympus81]

you are forgetting a very important thing that democratic leaders come for 5 years . State exists..If they do shit like making buzdar cm they lose respect..and so someone else comes for next 5 years.. State still exists the whole time to make sure the transfer of power happens smoothly and plays othe role in arbitration when and where required..that's exactly the support a leader needs. Bajwa supported Imran uptil October and Imran is on record admitting to it .
And no..it actually happened in Pakistan during 70s.State had little role after 71 and bhutto ran the show.
After a few Initial years of harmony the politicians were at arms length with bhutto ..and eventually a full revolt. Nationalization policy destoryed pakistan economy of which we see signs till date .

Bajwa did stuff for Imran he shouldn't have done and were extra constitutional.. yet when procedure of isi chief summary came Imran and his cronies wanted it to be done constitutionally.. lol
Imrans acceptability is in urban places... but in the tribal areas and country side he doesn't stand a chance.thats where he needs arbitration that only state can do for him.

Bajwa had no issues with Imrans gaps with biden admin..but one thing he wanted Imran was to not be too vocal about it.when you are weak and intenally troubled you can't have a free foreign policy.. one has to resort to diplomacy and balance. The Cypher allegation on US damaged his own terms with biden.. dornwhich he eventually took a u turn on.

Cypher issue - its in the NSC MoM, let’s agree to disagree.

Bajwa damaged his own reputation and by extension his institution. The perception on the streets and PDF is clear.

The establishment is not the state and the COAS has a 3 year tenure.

Pakistan’s long term progress is in the establishment curtailing its role (either by itself or by force) and for the executive to take a lead. The establishment cannot hope for playing a lead role after infinite screw ups and Article 6 moments.

 

[TheSolution]

The army was quick to pass a law against criticism of the army - but why haven't they passed a law against supporting/justifying banned terrorist outfits in Pakistan?

Surely this should have been done a decade ago but there seems to be misplaced priorities

@PanzerKiel @Signalian

 

[TheSolution]

Bhutans population is that of bhawalpur city
Atleast put some perspective before you make comparisons.

Not really population size. Our police force, CTD, and our intelligence have failed to nip the roots of where terrorism originates from and its propogaters. As well as building a counter-ideology and narrative.

- Tribal culture is trigger happy > solution is mass education, job opportunities, economic and infrastructural development.

- Radicalisation at various institutions especially roadside and public medrassas > monitoring of background of molvis, what he preaches, or if he is even properly Islamically educated. Then there are the famous state universities being breeding grounds or supporters of such groups/ideologies.

> Monitoring refugee presence, their identification, details and building a database. Some areas where the presence grows too high or is causing trouble just create a covert kill squad and boink them.

Do this while formally passing a law criminalising the support or justification of any officially banned terror organisations like BLA/TTP. Scrap the army criticism law it's unwanted attention and makes you look colonial in nature.

 

[epebble]

Life of people will get worse after becoming srilanka nepal bhutan

Bhutan and Sri Lanka have the highest quality of life in South Asia. On the other end are Myanmar, Nepal and Afghanistan.

 

[AZ1]

Yes, establishment has been the reason why PDM corrupts are back and together they’re responsible for the biggest f-ck up of Pakistan’s social and security fabric.

Bajwa is a snapshot of what is wrong with the institution. Sharifs/Zardaris are a snapshot of what is wrong with judiciary and executive.

Pakistan’s interest have been damaged. It’s standing in the world have gone to the dogs. My argument is this, your comments of outright damaging comments only hurt Pakistan further.

Wrong its the people of punjab and people of sindh despite NRO they gave vote to corrupt by own will and choice if they had not given vote to corrupt no one could come in govt.

Pakistanis are best blaming other but their own mistake of decision they make

 

[Olympus81]

The army was quick to pass a law against criticism of the army - but why haven't they passed a law against supporting/justifying banned terrorist outfits in Pakistan?

Surely this should have been done a decade ago but there seems to be misplaced priorities

@PanzerKiel @Signalian

Try banning SSP or TLP and witness protests that will result. Not that the state should capitulate against these elements. But the state has effectively lost control and is not the only entity that has a monopoly on violence.

But increase petrol by 2x and no-one bats an eye.

 

[TheSolution]

Try banning SSP or TLP and witness protests that will result. Not that the state should capitulate against these elements. But the state has effectively lost control and is not the only entity that has a monopoly on violence.

But increase petrol by 2x and no-one bats an eye.

I'm talking about laws criminalising support/justification of terrorist outfits like TTP/BLA

Not groups like TLP who are political. The ideology of Islam which is preached in Pakistan should be not preach violence against the state or be pan-Islamist. As long as these conditions are met, and molvis are properly Islamically educated things will improve.