Explore the Indonesia - Turkey Joint Production Tank

[AKINCI]

Senin, 30 May 2011

TEMPO Interactive, Jakarta - Indonesia and Turkey was exploring joint manufacturing lightweight tanks (light tanks). The cooperation is still explored in the company or producer level (business to business), before rising on the cooperation of two governments (G to G). Currently assessment conducted by PT Pindad with FNSS Defence Systems Co.., Manufacturer of defense equipment from Turkey.


Light tanks that would be produced together has a weight of about 13-14 tons and will be completed 90-105 millimeter caliber cannon. "Tanks of this type to meet the needs of the Army's cavalry," said the head of the Defense Facilities Agency Ministry of Defense, Rear Admiral Susilo, told Tempo in his office, last weekend.

This cooperation is a follow-up cooperation agreement the GoI and Turkey during the visit of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to the country, in June last year. The agreement is more matured again when Turkish President Abdullah Gul make a reciprocal visit to Jakarta last April 2011. "The cooperation with the Turkish defense industry is now increasingly pursed," said Susilo.

Manufacturers from Turkey, FNSS, even light tanks were sent a prototype to the Army and tested by PT Pindad. "But the tank will be made later specifications will be submitted by the Army," he said. "They (Pindad and FNSS) has signed an MoU (cooperation agreement)," he said.

Defense industrial cooperation with Turkey is done because the country can understand the interests of Indonesia. As is known, the current government is promoting the development of the domestic defense industry. Therefore, cooperation with overseas defense industries are prioritized in the countries that can provide technology transfer and cooperation are willing to do the production (joint production).

"If the transfer of technology and they want to joint production, this is our priority," said Susilo. "So, we get a lot of benefits (profits), not just buying."


Light tanks that will be produced jointly between Indonesia and Turkey are going to have a level of domestic content (TKDN) is quite large. "At least our body (Indonesia) who make," he said. Installation, assembly, and design is also a portion of Indonesia.


While the engine (engine) and the chain of tanks will be made by Turkish manufacturer. "For a chain of tanks, Indonesia still can not make itself," he said. Likewise the engine. According to Susilo, still not efficient if Indonesia makes its own tank engine. "If the engine, still cheaper to buy than to build engine plant here."

Tempointeraktif.Com - Indonesia-Turki Jajaki Kerja Sama Produksi Tank

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Turkey should just join the ALKhalid platform

This tank in picture looks awefully , small and light weight perhaps if that is part of the strategy

 

[damm1t]

While the engine (engine) and the chain of tanks will be made by Turkish manufacturer. "For a chain of tanks, Indonesia still can not make itself," he said. Likewise the engine. According to Susilo, still not efficient if Indonesia makes its own tank engine. "If the engine, still cheaper to buy than to build engine plant here."

i must say that i couldnt approve this point of view of these indonesian fellows, to build up a fighter jet, a warship, an attack helicopter is much more expensive than buying it, but to have defensive independence is strategical important, thats what we are trying to do and i strongly suggest them to do the same way. btw im glad to cooperate with other nations like indonesia, may Allah help us on it

 

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[Penguin]

Tank?

No, in this context, you're deling with an armored gun system (for support, not head on assault, due to limited armor protection), in this case an APC with a gunturret mounted on it

 

[AKINCI]

Indonesians called it as a light tank, even fnss akinci apc's weight is app.18 tonnes, in reality it is a light apc 13-14 tonnes lol

probably this prototype being built for indonesian army

 

[Penguin]

Well, I suppose in the geography, terrain and infrastructure found in Indonesia, light tanks / armored gun systems may be very usefull, esp. is amphibious capability is retained.
- archipelagic island country
- sawa's, rice paddies
- rain forest (dense vegetation)
- volcanic activity (steep mountains, rocky terrain, ash fields)
- poor infratructure (roads, rail connections, bridges)
These are features that work against MBTs.

Indonesia has a good number of AMX-13 light tanks (275), Alvis Scorpion (60), maybe some modernized PT-76 and otherwise only wheeled gun systems (e.g. Saladin). Likewise for Malaysia, which has only very few MBTs (50x PT91M, a T72 based mbt from Poland, 6 Alvis Scorpion from UK)

AMX-13
13.7 t (30,000 lb) empty
14.5 t (32,000 lb) combat

FV101 Scorpion
Weight 17,800 lb (8.074 tonnes )

PT-76B fitted with Cockerill 76.2 mm smooth bore tank gun (with multi-slot muzzle-brake) and larger gunners sight
Weight 14.6 tonnes

PT-91M Pendekar
Weight 45.9 tonnes

 

[MuslimConscript]

Indonesians called it as a light tank, even fnss akinci apc's weight is app.18 tonnes, in reality it is a light apc 13-14 tonnes lol

probably this prototype being built for indonesian army

In Indonesia, almost all of tracked vehicle will be called Tank
only few who have some Military knowledge called it APC/IFV

Well, I suppose in the geography, terrain and infrastructure found in Indonesia, light tanks / armored gun systems may be very usefull, esp. is amphibious capability is retained.
- archipelagic island country
- sawa's, rice paddies
- rain forest (dense vegetation)
- volcanic activity (steep mountains, rocky terrain, ash fields)
- poor infratructure (roads, rail connections, bridges)
These are features that work against MBTs.

Indonesia has a good number of AMX-13 light tanks (275), Alvis Scorpion (60), maybe some modernized PT-76 and otherwise only wheeled gun systems (e.g. Saladin). Likewise for Malaysia, which has only very few MBTs (50x PT91M, a T72 based mbt from Poland, 6 Alvis Scorpion from UK)

AMX-13
13.7 t (30,000 lb) empty
14.5 t (32,000 lb) combat

FV101 Scorpion
Weight 17,800 lb (8.074 tonnes )

PT-76B fitted with Cockerill 76.2 mm smooth bore tank gun (with multi-slot muzzle-brake) and larger gunners sight
Weight 14.6 tonnes

PT-91M Pendekar
Weight 45.9 tonnes

Not Realy, there is some debate in Indonesian Military Forum about this
But MBT have Tracked and the Ground Preasure will not make it sunk in the Indonesian Terrain
and now Indonesia are planing to have some Leopard 2A6

 

[AKINCI]

As reported earlier, Indonesia and Turkey have agreed to work together to build medium tanks. Signing of MoU of cooperation itself is made ​​in the event IDEF 2013 in Turkey, beginning last May.
It is also mentioned, each country will participate as much as 50% -50% in terms of financing and making prototypes. Scheme with its own production will mimic the process of making the CN-235 between IPTN (now PT.DI-ed) and CASA.

However, how much detail is revealed tersebutbbelumlah cooperation. Editorial ARC then try to figure out some of those involved in this scheme, Medium tanks. ARC then get a few answers.

The first, which will be constrained Medium tanks later is completely new design. So it does not refer to Ranpur homemade FNSS ACV-300, which has been studied well from PINDAD. Second, the cost for the development of the design was to create a prototype of $ 24 million. Thus, Turkey will be burdened Indonesia amounted to 12 million dollars.

Subsequently, in late June or early July, PINDAD and FNSS already submitted proposals to the scheme of creation Medium Tank Defense Ministry.

The proposal contains the estimated amount of cost, production timeline, to design medium tank. ARC also get information, will be made as much as 3 prototype is scheduled to finish in the next 3-4 years. 1 prototype made in PINDAD, and 2 others at FNSS.

However, one of the prototypes were made in FNSS just a Tank without completeness of the content, aka vacancies. Vacancies prototype is later used for the endurance test various shots.

However, this is only the early stages of information. Going forward, can still change a lot depending on the result of discussions between the parties PINDAD and FNSS and the Ministry of Defense of both countries. Whatever the outcome, we pray just hope this plan goes smoothly.

 

[Baykuş]

However, how much detail is revealed ersebutbbelumlah cooperation. Editorial ARC then try to figure out some of those involved in this scheme, Medium tanks. ARC then get a few answers.

 

[madmusti]

FNSS = Food Machinery Corporation (FMC) & Nurol Savunma Sanayi.

Today is FMC a Part of BAE Systems.

But why Nurol needs FNSS if they Develope to Defence Products like Ejder ?

 

[revojam]

FNSS = Food Machinery Corporation (FMC) & Nurol Savunma Sanayi.

Today is FMC a Part of BAE Systems.

But why Nurol needs FNSS if they Develope to Defence Products like Ejder ?

Because thanks to BAE's technology Nurol able to produce high-end defence products in first place?

 

[madmusti]

Because thanks to BAE's technology Nurol able to produce high-end defence products in first place?

Do they need them ? I mean first was FNSS for M113 & ACV-300´s.

But now ?

 

[BordoEnes]

Because thanks to BAE's technology Nurol able to produce high-end defence products in first place?

Not exactly, Nurol is able to make these products because of years of researching and co-operating with Romanian companies. Although having BAE as a share partner has its benefit, Nurol was one of the first decent company in Turkey that actually made product themself insted of license foreign APC and giving it a Turkish name *Cough* Otokar Yavuz *Cough*.

 

[LegionnairE]

Not exactly, Nurol is able to make these products because of years of researching and co-operating with Romanian companies. Although having BAE as a share partner has its benefit, Nurol was one of the first decent company in Turkey that actually made product themself insted of license foreign APC and giving it a Turkish name *Cough* Otokar Yavuz *Cough*.

You're talking about RN-94... but doesn't really matter now, since neither of them got produced. Now mounting an infantry support gun on a 14 ton-APC doesn't seem very logical to me, higher firepower means they'll become high priority targets. Should have active protection & slat armor if they want to produce this "tank"