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Indians have been forging their growth numbers for the last many years.

I am not discussing religious importance here. Had it not been due to the extreme hard work the Chinese put in, China would be no different from India of today which is a cesspool of misery, poverty, inhumanity and absolute suffering.



Norway out ranks the KSA in many terms, including political influence.

I have no interest discussing the living standards of Indians in this thread (not really relevant when I was talking about the economic size of countries), I am merely saying that they are (very soon) poised to become the third largest economy in the world and that is due to their huge population. Similar to all the other countries in the top 10. There are no countries in the top 10 world economies that have a small population for a reason. Pretty simple.

If KSA had a population of 1.4 billion, we would be the in the top 3 of largest economies in the world. I have no doubt about it.

The Arab world alone (500 million) would be the third largest economy in the world right now, if one country. Add 1000 million (!) more hands and you have a giant potential for economic growth just by simple economic reforms like seen in China. Rest (scientific, infrastructural, economic) development will follow automatically like it did with any other huge country in history.

Maybe in another galaxy. However KSA is literally in another galaxy when it comes to influence compared to Norway. It's not even a contest with all due respect. As I wrote KSA has tremendous political, religious, cultural etc. clout in the Arab world, MENA region and Muslim world. As well as in terms of natural resources and minerals. Basically de facto controlling OPEC.

Where lies Norway's influence exactly?

Anyway to return to the topic of this thread.

Uranium and heavy metals in Phosphate Fertilizers

From book Uranium, Mining and Hydrogeology (pp.193-198)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226094606_Uranium_and_heavy_metals_in_Phosphate_Fertilizers

Saudis to Prospect for Uranium, Thorium with China – over US Objections
Mar 14, 2019 @ 19:34 DEBKA Weekly


Saudi Arabia is pushing ahead with a geological survey to explore and assess its uranium and thorium resources in the kingdom’s western Hail Province, in the face of US objections. Although this largely agricultural region was always thought to hold small supplies of these substances, Riyadh suddenly perked up of late to its potential after Chinese geologists turned up promising finds.

Hail produces large quantities of dates and fruit and most of the kingdom’s wheat and grain. It has historically derived its wealth as a wayside station on the camel caravan Hajj route to Mecca.

Most of the world’s uranium is found either in northern countries like Canada or Russia or the south in places like South Africa and southern Australia. Jordan is thought to have substantial reserves, up to 65,000 tons of uranium plus the potential to extract 140,000 tonnes from phosphates. Foreign firms have been given mining contracts.

However, DEBKA Weekly’s sources report that Chinese geologists hired by the Saudi government reported that Jordan’s uranium deposits extend south as far as Saudi Arabia’s Hail. Riyadh’s eagerness to co-opt Beijing to the start of its uranium mining project has raised suspicions, especially in Washington, that Saudi Arabia is secretly conducting a nuclear program a lot bigger than suggested by intelligence findings.
The project is going forward as a partnership between the King Abdullah City for Atomic Research and Renewable Energy (KACARE) and China’s National Nuclear Cooperation (CNNC) for the stated aim of “exploring uranium and thorium deposits for peaceful use.”

Last October, the KACARE president Hashim bin Abdullah Yamani said his agency was tasked with “nuclear plans” and proposed to “extract uranium domestically as part of its nuclear program” and a step towards “self-sufficiency in the production of atomic fuel.”

Five months ago, Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman laid the cornerstone for the kingdom’s first nuclear research reactor. This posed a question: Why does the nation with the world’s largest reserves of oil need nuclear reactors for power? It also raised the suspicion that the Saudis wanted a possible infrastructure for manufacturing plutonium from the nuclear fuel produced by this research reactor.

In past negotiations with the Obama administration, the Saudis firmly refused to relinquish their right to enrich uranium for use as nuclear fuel for their power reactors project. The Trump administration, in contrast, is prepared to countenance uranium enrichment in Saudi Arabia under restrictions, despite strong objections in both houses of congress. Antagonism to Saudi Arabia among US lawmakers remains high over the suspicion that the crown prince engineered the death of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year.

Although Riyadh replies that putting nuclear energy to civilian use will free up more of its oil for export, no one doubts that its overriding motivation is in the realm of “security.” The Saudis deeply resent lagging behind Iran’s nuclear efforts and watch with covetous and suspicious eyes the rapid nuclear advances achieved by their ally, the United Arab Emirates. In 2018, the UAE completed the construction of its first civilian nuclear plant. In an agreement with the United States the UAE signed a commitment not to use the reactor for uranium enrichment in return for which it was granted international assistance. The Saudis refuse to undertake this commitment, maintaining that since Iran is allowed to enrich uranium, they too have this right.

Ali Shamkhani, secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, on Wednesday, March 13, accused regional powers of “spending their petrodollars on suspicious nuclear projects” that could endanger security in the region and the world. He did not name those powers. Those new threats, Shamkhani said, would force Iran to revise its strategy depending on their nature and geography and the needs of “our country and armed forces.” Last month, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif accused the United States of hypocrisy for trying to wreck Iran’s nuclear program while seeking to sell nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, Tehran’s regional rival. The Saudi government has so far, with unusual stubbornness, refused to turn over to Washington any information on the nuclear program it is running out of King Abdullah City, or explain what Chinese engineers and technicians are doing there. Therefore, the decision to prospect for uranium and thorium in the Hail province has widened the differences between Riyadh and Washington on the nuclear issue. In an effort to bridge the gap, the US was last week reported to be “encouraging Saudi Arabia to consider bids by American companies to build nuclear reactors.” Washington hopes that if US companies like Westinghouse win those contracts, the administration will have access to a much clear picture on what is going on inside the Saudi nuclear program.

https://www.debka.com/saudis-to-prospect-for-uranium-thorium-with-china-over-us-objections/

Saudi Arabia's first nuclear reactor nearly finished, sparking fears over safeguards

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...early-finished-sparking-fears-over-safeguards

KACARE launches uranium program to train Saudis

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1464706/saudi-arabia

Saudi Arabia owns 5% of global uranium reserves

https://english.mubasher.info/news/3251245/Saudi-Arabia-owns-5-of-global-uranium-reserves

As Saudi Arabia Builds A Nuclear Reactor, Some Worry About Its Motives


Bomb Watchers Twitching as Looser Rules Weighed for Uranium

Countries encouraged to look at extraction from phosphates, providing potential new pathways to the nuclear material used in reactors and weapons

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xpand-phosphate-link-to-weapons-proliferation

Wa’ad El-Shamal: The capital of global phosphate

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/article/551114

Wa’ad Al Shamal pivotal in development of KSA’s vast phosphate reserves

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/arti...elopment-of-KSAsvast-phosphate-reserves?rss=1


Saudi crown prince warns it will build nuclear bomb if Tehran does the same
Prince Mohammed bin Salman is pressing the US to allow Saudi Arabia to enrich uranium in return for choosing American nuclear technology

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-iran-nuclear-bomb-threat-mohammed-bin-salman

Saudi missile program expanded with help from China, US intel said to show
Trump administration reportedly withheld information from Congress, raising concern it is tacitly approving move; fears raised Riyadh could be seeking nuclear weapons

https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi...d-with-help-from-china-us-intel-said-to-show/

Exclusive: US intel shows Saudi Arabia escalated its missile program with help from China

Pakistan

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/05/...udi-arabia-ballistic-missile-china/index.html

Saudi Arabia, China have established ‘comprehensive strategic partnership’

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1534636/saudi-arabia



Saudi Space Agency Begins To Take Shape, Reported $1 Billion Budget In First Year

https://spacewatch.global/2019/04/s...hape-reported-1-billion-budget-in-first-year/

Connect the dots.


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Saudi Arabia wants to enrich uranium for nuclear power: Energy minister

REUTERS
September 09, 2019 11:05

  • Saudi Arabia has said it wants to tap nuclear technology for peaceful uses
ABU DHABI: Saudi Arabia wants to have uranium production and enrichment in future for its planned nuclear power program that will begin with two atomic reactors, the kingdom’s new energy minister said on Monday.
“We are proceeding with it cautiously ... we are experimenting with two nuclear reactors,” Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman said at a conference in Abu Dhabi.
Saudi Arabia has said it wants to tap nuclear technology for peaceful uses. But enrichment of uranium is a sensitive step in the nuclear fuel cycle because it can open up the possibility of military uses of the material, the issue at the heart of Western and regional concerns over Iran’s atomic work.

Prince Abdulaziz also told reporters the world’s top oil exporter would keep working with other producers to achieve market balance and that an OPEC-led supply-curbing deal would survive “with the will of everybody.”

He said there would be “no radical” change in the oil policy of Saudi Arabia, OPEC’s de facto leader, which he said was based on strategic considerations such as reserves and energy consumption.

The prince had helped negotiate the deal between the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and its allies, a group known as OPEC+, to cut global crude supply in order to support prices and balance the market.

He told reporters that the OPEC+ alliance was “staying for the long term” and called on OPEC members to comply with output targets.

“We have always worked in a cohesive, coherent way within OPEC to make sure that producers work and prosper together,” the prince said.

“It would be wrong from my end to pre-empt the rest of the OPEC members,” he said when asked whether there was a need for further oil production cuts to support the market.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1551986/saudi-arabia
 
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Saudi Arabia Plans To Enrich Uranium For Its Nuclear Power Reactors

Topline: Saudi Arabia new energy minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman has announced the kingdom plans to enrich uranium for its future civilian nuclear power program. The move could mark the start of a race for nuclear weapons in the Gulf as attempts by the United States and European Union to strike a new deal with Iran on its nuclear plan falter.
  • Reuters reported that the kingdom’s new energy minister, Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, told a meeting of the OPEC oil cartel in Abu Dhabi on Monday: “We are proceeding with it cautiously ... we are experimenting with two nuclear reactors.”
  • It comes after the kingdom, which is the world’s largest oil producer, said it wanted to expand its energy resources at home beyond fossil fuels in order to free up more oil for export. The nuclear reactors could be one alternative.
  • Saudi’s former energy minister said in April that Riyadh’s use of the reactors would be peaceful and in compliance with “international framework governing ... nuclear energy and its peaceful use.” However, the kingdom previously said it would not sign any deal that would restrict its nuclear program. The same technology used to enrich uranium for civilian reactors can also be used to produce fuel for nuclear weapons
Tangent: Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman is the first member of Saudi’s ruling royal family to occupy the key job as the kingdom’s energy minister. The prince has a long history of working as a delegate to the OPEC cartel but only took on a position as minister on Sunday. Boosting oil prices to fill holes in the Saudi’s budget and pushing through the partial privatization of state oil company Aramco will be key tasks for the half-brother of Saudi’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Today In: Consumer Key background: Saudi Arabia had already announced its plan to build two nuclear power reactors in a move that has alarmed arms controls activists. The kingdom has stressed the program is peaceful, but it follows decades of tension with its regional rival Iran, which has been accused of using its own civilian nuclear program to develop fuel for nuclear weapons.
Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman has been a vocal supporter of President Donald Trump’s hard-line approach on Tehran, and in 2018 announced that the kingdom would “acquire” a nuclear weapon if Iran reached that milestone.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabel...-for-its-nuclear-power-reactors/#222745005e2f
 
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Rocket-engine test stand at secret Saudi missile base resembles Chinese design, experts say

  • Satellite images suggest that Saudi Arabia has constructed its first known ballistic missile factory, according to weapons experts and image analysts
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https://www.scmp.com/news/world/mid...est-stand-secret-saudi-missile-base-resembles

Good. It should escalate further.
Have they produced any missile as of yet which is operational or they are still in development phase?
 
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Have they produced any missile as of yet which is operational or they are still in development phase?

By all accounts yes but it is a strategic state secret and thus not paraded in public. What was paraded in public were the Chinese missiles years ago during that massive military parade. That in itself is deterrence enough but remember times change. 30-35 years has passed and only a fool would believe that nothing was worked on during that time period.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...ion-of-ballistic-missile-technologies.547366/
 
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Not related to China but nevertheless related to the Royal Saudi Arabian Strategic Missile Force - the fifth branch of the armed forces.

The Saudi Arabian funded Hrim-2 short-range ballistic missile (includes development, research and technology transfer to KSA) will have a very advanced guidance system and specifications. It will exceed the range of the Russian 9K720 Iskander.


@The SC
 
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Posts 517-521 in this thread below

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/made-in-ksa.475488/page-35

give a small glimpse of what the KSA-Ukrainian cooperation has been working on, is working on and will be working on in the future.

@viva_zhao as I mentioned in that other thread, this is the type of strategic cooperation between KSA-China that us ordinary people not involved with such projects directly, now little about, other than the media has been mentioning etc. Can you find any news that covers the topic of this thread in Chinese media?
 
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Posts 517-521 in this thread below

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/made-in-ksa.475488/page-35

give a small glimpse of what the KSA-Ukrainian cooperation has been working on, is working on and will be working on in the future.

@viva_zhao as I mentioned in that other thread, this is the type of strategic cooperation between KSA-China that us ordinary people not involved with such projects directly, now little about, other than the media has been mentioning etc. Can you find any news that covers the topic of this thread in Chinese media?
Yes, Chinese media cover this kind of topic as well. We knew there are many joint projects, including missiles and Nuclear Energy projects.
It's all illegal, isn't it.

Every national has the right to protect their own interest. KSA always be China strategic partner, and will be so. KSA is in the center of ME, the strategic location, holy city of Islam, history, resource, huge land and potential.

KSA-China bilateral relationship benefit both countries and people a lot, really a lot.
 
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The best news to hear, finally some sanity to saudi bros ,.its a message to iran if iranian backed houthis fire ballistic missile to riyadh and makkah we can also burn down tehran

Anti-Iran rhetoric never gets old with you guys. Disgusting to see Pakistanis falls for Pompeo's propoganda.

Have you seen Saudis military budget? Arabs are the ones who are desperate for war with Iran if it wasn't for utter Saudi incompetence.

Saudis have right of missiles development when iran has developed its own missile.I think we can provide them with our missile technology

Despite seeing Saudis create the worst humanitarian crisis in the world in Yemen, Pakistan should still give them missile tech? Pakistan will be as complicit as Saudis if we supply weapons to a regime led by somebody as reckless and dangerous as MBS.

We likely have the most advanced ballistic missile program in the region given our collaborations, military budget and the fact that this is a work in progress for well over 3 decades now. Unlike certain other failed entities to the east we do not boost, make fake claims nor parade anything other than what we had 30 years ago. There is total secrecy. As it should be. Cooperation with Pakistan dates back to pre-nuclear Pakistan and people can make their own conclusions.

I can also claim I have the most advanced missile program in the region if I never use it. Reality is that Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea all have more advanced missiles than Saudia because they have indigenously built and actually demonstrated their abilities.

I told you several time . you only can test the engine underground the rest must be done in live test . If what you say is truth then ksa is the only country in the world that managed to develope the technology to do missile tests underground .

Finally somebody gets it
 
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Its high time we have another Muslim nuclear power so Pakistan dont have to go through all the pressure and malicious propaganda alone, Wish both Saudis and Turks best of luck.

Every indication Iran will beat both the Saudis and Turks to nukes. JCPOA would have held it back for a while until Trump decided to ditch it.
 
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Developing missile programs are due to Iran's development of its missile program

This should be obvious but people are still in denial mode about this

ok if you think you can skip testing the missiles ,then good for you .

Amazes me that some people here think Saudia can have any kind of functional ballistic missile program without testing. Unless they are doing underground missile testing in which case they are ahead of everyone else. Is that likely? Hell no
 
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Anti-Iran rhetoric never gets old with you guys. Disgusting to see Pakistanis falls for Pompeo's propoganda.

Have you seen Saudis military budget? Arabs are the ones who are desperate for war with Iran if it wasn't for utter Saudi incompetence.



Despite seeing Saudis create the worst humanitarian crisis in the world in Yemen, Pakistan should still give them missile tech? Pakistan will be as complicit as Saudis if we supply weapons to a regime led by somebody as reckless and dangerous as MBS.



I can also claim I have the most advanced missile program in the region if I never use it. Reality is that Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea all have more advanced missiles than Saudia because they have indigenously built and actually demonstrated their abilities.



Finally somebody gets it

I advice you not to quote my posts, as I don't have any attention wasting my time on trolls, and your nonsense was already countered in that other thread on the Arab section of the forum. You should go make your usual cheerleeding for the Iranian Mullah regime in another thread.

Yes, Chinese media cover this kind of topic as well. We knew there are many joint projects, including missiles and Nuclear Energy projects.
It's all illegal, isn't it.

Every national has the right to protect their own interest. KSA always be China strategic partner, and will be so. KSA is in the center of ME, the strategic location, holy city of Islam, history, resource, huge land and potential.

KSA-China bilateral relationship benefit both countries and people a lot, really a lot.

As I wrote in the other thread, the annual bilateral trade between the Arab world and China stood at $244.3 billion in 2018. KSA being the biggest trade partner of China in the Arab world and China being KSA's biggest overall trade partner. China is a fundamental partner in several key projects of great strategic importance such as our ballistic missile program, uranium extraction, nuclear energy infrastructure etc. List is very long.

This thread below showcases the depth in relations.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/arab-world-and-china-cooperation-and-news.298140/

News just from today:

Saudi Arabia and China sign $265m deal to fight coronavirus

Updated 26 April 2020
ARAB NEWS
April 26, 2020 17:28

  • BGI will provide the equipment for conducting 9,000,000 COVID-19 tests
  • 50,000 daily tests will be conducted in six new regional labs

JEDDAH: Saudi Arabia and China have signed a $265 million agreement to fight the COVID-19 pandemic.

The Kingdom’s National Unified Procurement Company (NUPCO) and China’s BGI group inked the SR995 million deal for the provision of devices and supplies to fight against COVID-19 in Saudia Arabia.

The agreement signed between two companies, approved by Dr. Abdullah Al-Rabeeah, chairman of the Negotiating and Purchasing Committee and supervisor general of the King Salman Humanitarian Aid and Relief Center (KSRelief), and Chinese ambassador to the Kingdom, Chen Weiqing, will enhance Saudi Arabia’s virus detection capacity and contribute to the Kingdom’s fight against the pandemic.

BGI will provide the equipment for conducting 9,000,000 COVID-19 tests, and includes the provision of devices and supplies, with 500 experts, specialists and technicians conducting the tests.




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The deal will include six regional labs. (SPA)



“The large number of tests provided for in this agreement clearly indicates that the Kingdom is in a race against time to diagnose cases and to work to isolate them in a way that reduces the risks from this pandemic globally,” Al-Rabeeah said.

Ambassador Weiqing said: “Despite the distance between the two countries, the genes of solidarity, cooperation, friendship and mutual assistance are inherited in the traditional culture of both peoples, which makes the sincere friendship between the two peoples even stronger in these special and difficult times.”

The equipment will include the Huo Yan laboratory, a mobile modular air dome structure constructed to support screening and detection capabilities. The inflatable lab can be transported by air as standard freight on any commercial passenger plane.

“The Huo Yan laboratory is an important step toward cooperation between our two countries in fighting against the pandemic,” the ambassador said.

Six regional labs will be established under the agreement: 50,000 daily tests will be conducted to diagnose COVID-19 cases, conduct community based testing and will include a mobile laboratory with a production capacity of 10,000 tests daily — a number which can be doubled.

Chinese specialists will also train Saudi cadres and conduct daily comprehensive field tests and ensure their quality for eight months. They will also analyze the genetic map of some samples inside the Kingdom.

The agreement will also provide expertise to analyze the genetic mapping of samples in the Kingdom, and analysis of the community’s immunity mapping of 1,000,000 samples, which will have a great impact in supporting the state’s plans in managing the pandemic.

The agreement highlights the commitment of mutual assistance between China and Saudi Arabia, and will represent a start for the further development of health care cooperation. The project will enhance Saudi Arabia’s virus detection capacity and contribute to the fight against the pandemic.

The contract, one of the largest to provide diagnostic tests for the coronavirus in the world, is an addition to the Negotiating and Purchasing Committee’s award to a number of companies from the US, Switzerland and South Korea to purchase additional quantities of reagents and tests, bringing the number of targeted tests to 14.5 million, representing nearly 40 percent of the Saudi population.

“Viruses know no borders, and it takes solidarity and cooperation to defeat a pandemic. As the Chinese old saying goes, you present me with fruits, and I would reward you with a jade,” the ambassador said.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1665366/business-economy

 
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First of all what we bought from China over 30 years ago is more advanced than anything you have in 2019. That was 30 years ago. You can figure out what has happened in the meantime. KSA was hit by ballistic missiles and scuds (Saddam Hussein) during the First Gulf War. We have obviously long studied your ballistic missile program as well. We have worked with countries such as China and Pakistan on our ballistic missile program for ages. You have users here from Pakistan with parents working in KSA who have seen this first hand. Not mentioning the Yemeni conflict.

The problem is that there is a lot of secrecy involved. Few people know all the details but you can do the match given the situation in the region, our military budget and reports from Western and non-Western media. After all KSA having the bomb has been spoken about for almost 3 decades too.

One must be really naive to believe that our ballistic missile program is not extremely sophisticated when having all of the above in mind.

Not only that our deterrence against missiles is also the most sophisticated in the region alongside Israel. Patriot, THAAD (soon), S-400 (soon) and maybe other systems too as per the rumors. That is serious protection. Add that our air force (only Israel is stronger) and ballistic missile power and I would claim that anyone attacking us not named Israel (only due to their nukes), USA, UK, France, Russia, China (once again due to nukes, technology, firepower, manpower) would be very foolish.

I have seen many Iranian users here who seem to live in their own fantasy world imaging that they can destroy infrastructure in KSA without getting a reply that is tenfold.

Yeah we get it, Saudi missile program is so super secret that no one knows if it actually even exists. Khashoggi couldn't be kept a secret, we're supposed to believe that a full fledged Saudi ballistic missile program has been operating for decades in secret?

With all due respect to that Iranian reserved engineered Soviet/North Korean tech (or wherever it originates from) you cannot compare it, even in the wildest fantasy, to long-established systems that have been tested in battle. Even the fairly outdated patriots system has had a tremendous success rate (practically 100%) in KSA.

The vast majority of successful strikes are done by short range projectiles on Najran and Asir, which are much more difficult to intercept due to their short flight times.

Will you sleep safely at night if an updated DF-21 and DF-3 (that is if KSA has done nothing else in the past 30 years which any sane person can rule out there is a reason why we have invested this much in a missile program for 30+ years and so much secrecy surrounds it) aimed at Tehran or another city will be fired and all you have to protect yourself with are some "indigenous" systems that have never been tested in a war? I would certainly not be.

In no universe is Patriot success rate anywhere near 100%. And I would trust a tested and proven indigenous system over a fancy system that has never been tested.

First of all comparing makes no sense as KSA's missile program is a deep state secret. Information (100% reliable as in proven) date back to the 1980's. 30 years is a LONG time. As I said since that time we experienced a wide range of scud missile attacks on KSA from Iraq during and before the First Gulf War.

For all I know we might have developed an "indigenous" system with the help of friends from China and Pakistan long ago. Those Chinese missiles for instance have long ago been updated. One must be incredibly naive to believe that they have been left to collect dust in the past 30 years all while KSA's military has been buying some of the best weapons that money can buy.

The push (serious) for an indigenous military industry is no joke either.

All I can say is what I already wrote. Rest is speculation. Until a possible war, nobody can answer anything with 100% certainty but what is certain is that KSA has much more in its store than some missiles imported from China 30 years ago even though those missiles alone are better than what most countries have in their arsenal.

Those many secret military base used to launch missiles (potentially) discovered by Western intelligence in KSA are not exactly areas with public access either.

When MbS says that we have the most potent ballistic missile program in the region, I believe him. When I see Chinese and Pakistani involvement, that belief is not exactly weakened. That and our military budget and allies or the fact that we already did what we did with China in the 1980's and the CIA, M16, Mossad etc. did not realize this until years later. There are many areas in KSA which are military areas (closed cities) as well. Unlike the Iranian Mullah regime, our regime does not parade our state secrets or boost. We do things in secrecy. Those of strategic importance that is.

Yeah well your first mistake is believing anything MBS says. I guess we'll see what happens with Vision 2030

That is your choice.

Khashoggi the MB terrorist trash who ran off to the US to badmouth and write propaganda against KSA. There was not any secrecy of getting rid of him. Good riddance as well. That should be the faith of every traitor if it was up to me. Much like the recent terrorists executed. Erdogan desperately milking that case ended with failure. Now his economy is ruined as well as relations with KSA and most of the Arab world. Great policy to please some tiny micro state Qatar otherwise known as Quntar.

A Saudi calling the Turkish economy ruined is pretty rich lmao

why there is a total secrecy?? like you said your adversaries are backward failed states with fake claims.
the secrecy would make sense for a country that it's adversary is an economic and industrial power (like how things are between iran and US) but that does not go for your concept of secrecy against a failed state.

Total secrecy because it doesn't exist. Why would Saudi need to develop missiles if they're importing them from China?

lol seems like you kept this words in your heart for long time, don't be shy you can talk to me.
so now that you are relieved, can you please explain why you don't show us your super missiles and military bases??:pleasantry::pleasantry:

Pretty please
 
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