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Listen to it in the box "President of Pakistan speaks at RUSI."

Listen to minute 57-58 and Musharraf's response to Ziauddin (of DAWN). Most of the Pakistani press need to understand that embarrassing the President and your own country outside at least is plain old stupid and counter productive. I am glad Musharraf told him off.
 
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Blain if the press people understand that howcome they will become great journalists in the eyes of the outside world.

They have this simple and easy way to get fame by maligning Pakistan abroad.
 
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They have this simple and easy way to get fame by maligning Pakistan abroad.

If that is the way they wana go then i definately would like to see them in a ban like they were before musharraf's era. If they cannot protect the image and honour of their country, it better to send them back home.:angry:
 
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IMO Musharraf did himself a great disservice by giving this response. He is openly castigating members of the Pakistani press for conducting "aspersions" against the state and the military. Unfortunately the event was true and the question was very much valid. In light of the current events, the way he handled this question made him look like a complete tool. I can just imagine the grin on the face of every journalist in that room.

Jana said:
Blain if the press people understand that howcome they will become great journalists in the eyes of the outside world.

They have this simple and easy way to get fame by maligning Pakistan abroad.
It's not the press' job to hide embarrassing stories in order to inflate the image of a troubled nation. For anybody who thinks otherwise (including Musharraf), needs to get a better understanding of the fundamentals of journalism.
 
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IMO Musharraf did himself a great disservice by giving this response. He is openly castigating members of the Pakistani press for conducting "aspersions" against the state and the military. Unfortunately the event was true and the question was very much valid. In light of the current events, the way he handled this question made him look like a complete tool. I can just imagine the grin on the face of every journalist in that room.

It's not the press' job to hide embarrassing stories in order to inflate the image of a troubled nation. For anybody who thinks otherwise (including Musharraf), needs to get a better understanding of the fundamentals of journalism.

Not at all. The event was true and he admitted it. However he is not very far from the truth when he suggested that aspersions cast by Pakistanis above all are used by the western press and that is what really hurts Pakistan the most. You need to be in Pakistan or see how easily Pakistan's interest have been compromised by journalist and if you claim that all the journalists world over do this then you are way off here. I would suggest we start looking at the US newspapers first...there are definitely areas where the US press does not go...why can't we ask the same of the Pakistani journalists?

May I also suggest that if you want Pakistani journalism to carry on with this sort of stuff, then you should also be bashing all of the Western media for glossing over the innumerable FUBARs overseen by the western governments.

Here is an opinion that I Personally agree with:

Should Musharraf Apologize To Ziauddin?

Mr. Ziauddin asked a legitimate question. But Mr. Musharraf is right in that London was hardly the perfect setting for embarrassing the Pakistani president when he was out to prove that Pakistan stands strong despite what foreign critics say. It’s not about liking or hating Musharraf. Enough of this cynicism. Time to take a stand for Pakistani nationalism.

By AHMED QURAISHI

Friday, 1 February 2008.



ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—The problem with Pervez Musharraf is that he wants his people to be as patriotic as the Turks and Iranians and, more recently, the Indians. But the Pakistani intelligentsia’s problem is the same as sixty years ago: It prefers cynicism to nationalism.



That’s what the spat between the Pakistani president and a Pakistani journalist at a British think tank really comes down to.



Critics are calling on President Musharraf to apologize to Mr. Mohammad Ziauddin, a senior editor with the Pakistani Dawn newspaper, for calling him anti-Pakistani and questioning his patriotism.



At first glance, the journalist is vindicated. He simply asked Mr. Musharraf why he was trying to convince his western audience of the professionalism of the Pakistani security institutions when recently a wanted terrorist slipped away from the custody of Pakistani police.



The President’s view went something like this, ‘Why a Pakistani journalist is asking me this question that embarrasses Pakistan, in London, in front of a British audience at a British think tank, when not a single European journalist posed this question to the Pakistani president throughout his nine-day visit?’



So, who is right? Mr. Ziauddin or Mr. Musharraf?



You will hardly find Turks or Iranians who wash their dirty laundry in the bright glare of world cameras the way Pakistanis do, and, to be more precise, the way Pakistani politicians and media do.



Even exiled Iranian liberals, who disagree with the mullahs in Tehran, calibrate their criticism when it becomes too focused on Iran. The Turks just won’t hear it against their country. The Israelis are as protective about Israel as a jealous wife, which is surprising because cynics tease Israel by saying it has so many ethnicities it can’t be a nation.



Indians are a good example too. India has been anxiously building up its nationalism over the past decade in order to bolster its claim to a military superpower role. Since there is no precedence for Indian nationalism in the strict sense of the word, New Delhi has turned to its film industry and expensive PR advertisements on CNN to prop up a newfound sense of patriotism.



Pakistanis have not met a single Indian visitor to Pakistan who would be willing to speak against India on any issue on Pakistani soil. This is impressive since tens of delegations of Indian professionals and activists, from all shades of Indian opinion, have visited Pakistan over the past four years as part of the peace dialogue.



In contrast, members of Pakistani delegations visiting India during the same period have given scores of interviews criticizing their own homeland for everything under the sun. Our own hero, Mr. Imran Khan, recently selected an Indian city, Mumbai, as a venue for a huge press conference where he accused Pakistani military and government of assassinating Benazir Bhutto. If his choice was not intentional, it certainly was in bad taste.



There are millions of U.S. citizens of Chinese descent, disconnected from mainland China for three or four generations. But even during the height of Sino-American political tensions, I have not heard or seen a single U.S. citizen of Chinese descent agreeing to write or speak against China in the same way that other American commentators do. Out of more than a billion Chinese, hardly any Chinese in the West is ready to form a political association to work against China’s interests. There have been a few dissidents but they never had an impact.



In Pakistan, ordinary Pakistanis have no problem with Pakistani nationalism. The real problem lies with the intelligentsia, mainly journalists and politicians. In six decades of Independence, the Pakistani intelligentsia has failed to build and evolve a sense of Pakistani nationalism. This failure becomes clearer when compared to China, Israel and Turkey, where politicians, journalists and thinkers led the nation in building and consolidating their own nationalist identities.



The Pakistani intelligentsia has always justified its lack of interest in a Pakistani nationalism by pointing out that Pakistan consists of several ethnicities and languages and cannot be united on a single nationalist platform. Of course, this is a brazen excuse.



Pakistani thinkers, journalists, and politicians have either been preoccupied by communism and socialism or simply held back by incompetence to ever think about Pakistani nationalism.



This is why it is understandable that in the seconds before he actually stepped up to the microphone to ask his question, Mr. Ziauddin never thought for a second whether his question is ‘good or bad for Pakistan.’



He never for a second thought to himself, ‘Well, it is good that nine days in Europe and nobody questioned the President on the escaped terrorist. Musharraf is defending the Pakistani record and the audience appears to be genuinely listening. I oppose Musharraf, but here, in London, he is the President of my country. I won’t question the competence of Pakistani security institutions before a foreign audience.’



Would Mr. Ziauddin have been wrong if he restrained himself in this way?



Many Israelis disagree with Israel’s policy of killing innocent civilians during conflict. But so far no Israeli journalist has embarrassed the Israeli president and prime minister this way on their many foreign tours.



Many Indians disapprove of the systematic Indian atrocities in Kashmir. But how many Indian journalists have confronted their leaders with this fact on foreign soil?



A western journalist will not understand this mindset. That is why I am not very bothered by what the British media has written about this spat between our President and one of our senior journalists. Politics in Europe have evolved so much that patriotism and nationalism have been rendered obsolete, at least at the official level.



But, for God’s sake, this is a country under attack. Pakistan has enemies even when we are not involved in Kashmir or Afghanistan. Pakistan’s detractors are bent on proving to a global audience that this country is a rotten apple and it’s okay if we invade it.



We need to prove this is not the case, even as we deal with our internal problems. That’s what our President, whether you like him or not, was doing in Europe. Was that too much for a senior journalist like Mr. Ziauddin to understand?



This is why President Musharraf owes an apology to no one. It is time someone took a stand for Pakistani nationalism.
 
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Not at all. The event was true and he admitted it. However he is not very far from the truth when he suggested that aspersions cast by Pakistanis above all are used by the western press and that is what really hurts Pakistan the most. You need to be in Pakistan or see how easily Pakistan's interest have been compromised by journalist and if you claim that all the journalists world over do this then you are way off here. I would suggest we start looking at the US newspapers first...there are definitely areas where the US press does not go...why can't we ask the same of the Pakistani journalists?

May I also suggest that if you want Pakistani journalism to carry on with this sort of stuff, then you should also be bashing all of the Western media for glossing over the innumerable FUBARs overseen by the western governments.

Here is an opinion that I Personally agree with:

Should Musharraf Apologize To Ziauddin?

Mr. Ziauddin asked a legitimate question. But Mr. Musharraf is right in that London was hardly the perfect setting for embarrassing the Pakistani president when he was out to prove that Pakistan stands strong despite what foreign critics say. It’s not about liking or hating Musharraf. Enough of this cynicism. Time to take a stand for Pakistani nationalism.

By AHMED QURAISHI

Friday, 1 February 2008.



ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—The problem with Pervez Musharraf is that he wants his people to be as patriotic as the Turks and Iranians and, more recently, the Indians. But the Pakistani intelligentsia’s problem is the same as sixty years ago: It prefers cynicism to nationalism.



That’s what the spat between the Pakistani president and a Pakistani journalist at a British think tank really comes down to.



Critics are calling on President Musharraf to apologize to Mr. Mohammad Ziauddin, a senior editor with the Pakistani Dawn newspaper, for calling him anti-Pakistani and questioning his patriotism.



At first glance, the journalist is vindicated. He simply asked Mr. Musharraf why he was trying to convince his western audience of the professionalism of the Pakistani security institutions when recently a wanted terrorist slipped away from the custody of Pakistani police.



The President’s view went something like this, ‘Why a Pakistani journalist is asking me this question that embarrasses Pakistan, in London, in front of a British audience at a British think tank, when not a single European journalist posed this question to the Pakistani president throughout his nine-day visit?’



So, who is right? Mr. Ziauddin or Mr. Musharraf?



You will hardly find Turks or Iranians who wash their dirty laundry in the bright glare of world cameras the way Pakistanis do, and, to be more precise, the way Pakistani politicians and media do.



Even exiled Iranian liberals, who disagree with the mullahs in Tehran, calibrate their criticism when it becomes too focused on Iran. The Turks just won’t hear it against their country. The Israelis are as protective about Israel as a jealous wife, which is surprising because cynics tease Israel by saying it has so many ethnicities it can’t be a nation.



Indians are a good example too. India has been anxiously building up its nationalism over the past decade in order to bolster its claim to a military superpower role. Since there is no precedence for Indian nationalism in the strict sense of the word, New Delhi has turned to its film industry and expensive PR advertisements on CNN to prop up a newfound sense of patriotism.



Pakistanis have not met a single Indian visitor to Pakistan who would be willing to speak against India on any issue on Pakistani soil. This is impressive since tens of delegations of Indian professionals and activists, from all shades of Indian opinion, have visited Pakistan over the past four years as part of the peace dialogue.



In contrast, members of Pakistani delegations visiting India during the same period have given scores of interviews criticizing their own homeland for everything under the sun. Our own hero, Mr. Imran Khan, recently selected an Indian city, Mumbai, as a venue for a huge press conference where he accused Pakistani military and government of assassinating Benazir Bhutto. If his choice was not intentional, it certainly was in bad taste.



There are millions of U.S. citizens of Chinese descent, disconnected from mainland China for three or four generations. But even during the height of Sino-American political tensions, I have not heard or seen a single U.S. citizen of Chinese descent agreeing to write or speak against China in the same way that other American commentators do. Out of more than a billion Chinese, hardly any Chinese in the West is ready to form a political association to work against China’s interests. There have been a few dissidents but they never had an impact.



In Pakistan, ordinary Pakistanis have no problem with Pakistani nationalism. The real problem lies with the intelligentsia, mainly journalists and politicians. In six decades of Independence, the Pakistani intelligentsia has failed to build and evolve a sense of Pakistani nationalism. This failure becomes clearer when compared to China, Israel and Turkey, where politicians, journalists and thinkers led the nation in building and consolidating their own nationalist identities.



The Pakistani intelligentsia has always justified its lack of interest in a Pakistani nationalism by pointing out that Pakistan consists of several ethnicities and languages and cannot be united on a single nationalist platform. Of course, this is a brazen excuse.



Pakistani thinkers, journalists, and politicians have either been preoccupied by communism and socialism or simply held back by incompetence to ever think about Pakistani nationalism.



This is why it is understandable that in the seconds before he actually stepped up to the microphone to ask his question, Mr. Ziauddin never thought for a second whether his question is ‘good or bad for Pakistan.’



He never for a second thought to himself, ‘Well, it is good that nine days in Europe and nobody questioned the President on the escaped terrorist. Musharraf is defending the Pakistani record and the audience appears to be genuinely listening. I oppose Musharraf, but here, in London, he is the President of my country. I won’t question the competence of Pakistani security institutions before a foreign audience.’



Would Mr. Ziauddin have been wrong if he restrained himself in this way?



Many Israelis disagree with Israel’s policy of killing innocent civilians during conflict. But so far no Israeli journalist has embarrassed the Israeli president and prime minister this way on their many foreign tours.



Many Indians disapprove of the systematic Indian atrocities in Kashmir. But how many Indian journalists have confronted their leaders with this fact on foreign soil?



A western journalist will not understand this mindset. That is why I am not very bothered by what the British media has written about this spat between our President and one of our senior journalists. Politics in Europe have evolved so much that patriotism and nationalism have been rendered obsolete, at least at the official level.



But, for God’s sake, this is a country under attack. Pakistan has enemies even when we are not involved in Kashmir or Afghanistan. Pakistan’s detractors are bent on proving to a global audience that this country is a rotten apple and it’s okay if we invade it.



We need to prove this is not the case, even as we deal with our internal problems. That’s what our President, whether you like him or not, was doing in Europe. Was that too much for a senior journalist like Mr. Ziauddin to understand?



This is why President Musharraf owes an apology to no one. It is time someone took a stand for Pakistani nationalism.

Very well said.:tup:
 
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Hi,

If this newsman was american, and the president the U S president, this guy would have been totally castigated by the other news people. He would be lucky if his own newspaper would not have fired him. He would not have been allowed to attend any more presidential interview sessions for the rest of his life or as long as that president was in power.

The u s let a very high value target escape from the jail at Bagram base in the last year. Now how did that incidence take place is beyond belief---it is the u s millitary base---there are u s troops everywhere---but still this guy escaped---now would any reporter ask the u s about its weapons security!

People can stick the fundamentals of journalism where there is no light---there is also something known as the integrity and pride of the nation at stake as well.

This journalist is again very fortunate that he is not russian and Musharraf not a Putin. Otherwise strangers would have found a stripped and mutilated human form on the banks of river Moskva.
 
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I can't open the link, what exactly was Musharraf's reply?
 
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Hi,

If this newsman was american, and the president the U S president, this guy would have been totally castigated by the other news people. He would be lucky if his own newspaper would not have fired him. He would not have been allowed to attend any more presidential interview sessions for the rest of his life or as long as that president was in power.

The u s let a very high value target escape from the jail at Bagram base in the last year. Now how did that incidence take place is beyond belief---it is the u s millitary base---there are u s troops everywhere---but still this guy escaped---now would any reporter ask the u s about its weapons security!

People can stick the fundamentals of journalism where there is no light---there is also something known as the integrity and pride of the nation at stake as well.

This journalist is again very fortunate that he is not russian and Musharraf not a Putin. Otherwise strangers would have found a stripped and mutilated human form on the banks of river Moskva.

Mastan,

Well said!

Excuse me for saying this but I truly believe in the adage "Appni izzat appnay haathon say" first. This bullshit cynicism of our wanna-be elites is the cause of Pakistani image taking a beating.

These morons need to realize that their self-righteous cynicism does nothing but undermine Pakistan and her interests especially when its voiced inappropriately. I can personally attest to what Ahmed Quraishi has written above having gone to school with Turks and Iranians. Try and make their country look bad and these guys will come back at you with a vengeance. Maybe a good starting point for Mr. Ziauddin and bunch would be to buy back a little bit of their self-respect instead of making fools of themselves internationally and hurting Pakistan and her image.

Sickening mentality....:hitwall:

On the issue of US president and press, I would suggest that Energon check into what it takes to make it into the WH press corps. All potential trouble-makers are ferreted out even before the US President gets into the venue to make comments and take questions. It is to the credit of our President that he takes questions without any sort of management of the press. However there are certain retraints that all media (unfortunately our media is too young and stupid to understand this) should exercise given national considerations and sensitivities...in any case, not blaming the western press here..its our own idiots who do more damage to Pakistan than any outsiders.
 
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I can't open the link, what exactly was Musharraf's reply?

It was about Rashid Rauf, who gave the slip to the agencies. Ziauddin was asking why praise the agencies. Was difficult to make out some of the words, but he admitted it, and said people are being court-martialled etc. But it was obviously an attempt to embarrass him. Such mishaps do occur. He talked about the judiciary for quite a while. Some good explanations about the "politicised cj" there increasing the bench from 5 to 7, then 7to 9, and then 9 to 11 so that he could get a vote against Musharraf too. Worth a listen. Without the Ziauddin question, a very good performance (only because ziauddin was obviously looking to intentionally embarrass him, plus he has a rather hisssy accent).
 
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Great interview, love the way he takes on the media!
Thanks for sharing Blain! :cheers:
 
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Superb presentation.

He's an impressive guy in many respects. Thought that he engaged the ISSUES very openly and honestly and (in some cases) with humor.

I came away encouraged by his perspectives, particularly with the upcoming elections, the Bonn Process, and NATO remaining in Afghanistan.

I have, btw, seen some VERY contentious White House press briefings. Any world leader of a modern nation faces a difficult press at one time or another-even Putin.:lol:

UBL maybe in Kunar and Bajeur, eh? Very interesting.
 
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An excellent speech.

To use Musharraf's most stated words of "May I add", may I add for those who are great supporters of the Mujahideens and Talibans and other such political disasters (to use Musahrrafs words), please listen to this speech and do not ditch Pakistan. (another phrase of his)!

He states he saved the failed state of Pakistan! (his words).

He states that there are no more Arabs and Uzbeks except 4 or 5 every time the PA carries out operations!

A very persuasive speaker!

Nothing illogical and he uses no catch all as is used by some here!

His analysis of US troops coming into Paksitan is so correct.

He has addressed issues with total logic, even if one does not agree, one cannot find faults!

How the CJ manoeuvred the court has been so clearly elucidated. I never knew that!

He has also commented on obscurantist inputs in Islam!

It is only a military man who can be so frank and straight.

Musharraf goes mile high in my esteem even if I don't agree.

Good chap!

Any one know how to save this speech on one's computer?

I wish some people like RR and P2bP hear Musahrraf about India and Paksitan! And how they are ruining the effort!
 
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