EX - Pakistani Army Man Spills Out the Truth about "INDIA"

[Maj. Kuldeep Singh]

 

[Silverblaze]

I agree that intentions to not to seize Pakistan was present in Nehruvian followers, but the military had other ideas. Siachen is an example.

Nehruvians actually wanted Pakistan, so that the baseless fear of muslim military presence is curtailed.

No matter what anyone says, Indian military establishment wants to go against political power and want a greater role in Indian politics to hurt Pakistan directly.

 

[neutral_person]

I agree that intentions to not to seize Pakistan was present in Nehruvian followers, but the military had other ideas. Siachen is an example.

Nehruvians actually wanted Pakistan, so that the baseless fear of muslim military presence is curtailed.

No matter what anyone says, Indian military establishment wants to go against political power and want a greater role in Indian politics to hurt Pakistan directly.

Not true, we went after Siachen because legally it is our land as it was legally given to us by the owner of the whole state of J&K.

As for Indian Military, it has always been a professional force. Unlike Pak military, they know what their role is in the country, and have never even attempted a coup, much less done one.

 

[Silverblaze]

Not true, we went after Siachen because legally it is our land as it was legally given to us by the owner of the whole state of J&K.

As for Indian Military, it has always been a professional force. Unlike Pak military, they know what their role is in the country, and have never even attempted a coup, much less done one.

Yes you realized that J & K was your part after 37 years of the instrument of accession by Dogra.

Pakistan army is adventurous and has made many mistakes at the behest of US, but Indian army also exercise considerable influence in Indian politics.

AFSPA is a shining example.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Not true, we went after Siachen because legally it is our land as it was legally given to us by the owner of the whole state of J&K.

As for Indian Military, it has always been a professional force. Unlike Pak military, they know what their role is in the country, and have never even attempted a coup, much less done one.

your professional generals should know how old they are before yapping about cold start doctrines and such; your professional army should not step on the landmines they laid themselves in Rajasthan. Your professional army ought not to open fire on Pakistani checkpoints in Azad Kashmir and then cry and whine when we fire back and injure/kill a few of theirs.

as for Siachen - it was just an act of belligerence to say the least but not something that went unpunished; then again Kashmir is unfinished business.


you keep bringing up coups and all -- when was the last coup? 14 years ago? Get a life.

I agree that intentions to not to seize Pakistan was present in Nehruvian followers, but the military had other ideas. Siachen is an example.

Nehruvians actually wanted Pakistan, so that the baseless fear of muslim military presence is curtailed.

No matter what anyone says, Indian military establishment wants to go against political power and want a greater role in Indian politics to hurt Pakistan directly.

if they could they would but they cant, at least for now. . .

civilian military relations in india though aren't exactly rosy either; a lot of animosity does exist - due to corruption/arms scandals and due to other factors though i dont see a coup happening there at least not anytime soon

Yes you realized that J & K was your part after 37 years of the instrument of accession by Dogra.

Pakistan army is adventurous and has made many mistakes at the behest of US, but Indian army also exercise considerable influence in Indian politics.

AFSPA is a shining example.

never was and never will be an integral part of india; that's the ground reality which they'll have to accept one day

either by force, or either by free and fair plebiscite (which Nehru the pundit was in favour of)

 

[INDIC]

your professional generals should know how old they are before yapping about cold start doctrines and such; your professional army should not step on the landmines they laid themselves in Rajasthan. Your professional army ought not to open fire on Pakistani checkpoints in Azad Kashmir and then cry and whine when we fire back and injure/kill a few of theirs.

as for Siachen - it was just an act of belligerence to say the least but not something that went unpunished; then again Kashmir is unfinished business.


you keep bringing up coups and all -- when was the last coup? 14 years ago? Get a life.



if they could they would but they cant, at least for now. . .

civilian military relations in india though aren't exactly rosy either; a lot of animosity does exist - due to corruption/arms scandals and due to other factors though i dont see a coup happening there at least not anytime soon



never was and never will be an integral part of india; that's the ground reality which they'll have to accept one day

either by force, or either by free and fair plebiscite (which Nehru the pundit was in favour of)

Pakistan initiates firing to create safe passage for terrorists to infiltrate in India.

I agree that intentions to not to seize Pakistan was present in Nehruvian followers, but the military had other ideas. Siachen is an example.

Nehruvians actually wanted Pakistan, so that the baseless fear of muslim military presence is curtailed.

No matter what anyone says, Indian military establishment wants to go against political power and want a greater role in Indian politics to hurt Pakistan directly.

Status of Siachin was undecided. It was Pakistan who first violated the ceasefire line by initiating operation Gibraltar. Indian Armed Forces have no interest in politics.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Oh well... another born again. Normally people talk truth when they are drunk.. & Pakistani military officers talk truth when they are retired

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Yes you realized that J & K was your part after 37 years of the instrument of accession by Dogra.

Pakistan army is adventurous and has made many mistakes at the behest of US, but Indian army also exercise considerable influence in Indian politics.

AFSPA is a shining example.

AFSPA can be shining example if there is large aversion towards its among the Indian babus and yet the military could have its way.

as far as i know AFSPA is opposed only by state Govts, where its is imposed, hence not a majority.

 

[Hulk]

What he says is right and exactly how we think..
1) We have zero intention of taking back Pakistan.
a) It has lot of terrorist and miscreants.
b) It is easier to control minorities.
But we do want better relationship with Pakistan. It will be great if we can travel to each others country.
I am even willing to go extra mile to improve relations with Pakistan.

Contrary to what many Pakistani thinks, we fully support them as separate nation. Also I think many Indian leaders might have tried their level to support their cause (hidden support) .

 

[Silverblaze]

Pakistan initiates firing to create safe passage for terrorists to infiltrate in India.



Status of Siachin was undecided. It was Pakistan who first violated the ceasefire line by initiating operation Gibraltar. Indian Armed Forces have no interest in politics.

Yes operation gibraltar was wrong in all contexts and it was in the 60s. As far as Siachen is concerned, Indians claim that it was not part of simla agreement and hence not part of the LOC.


Without informing Pakistan, India moved regular forces to Siachen suddenly. What if China moves forces to the McMahon line and captures a small range and claims it was not visible in the agreed upon map. What would India do?

Simply put, Pakistan's incompetent military and civil bureaucracy were more interested in carrying out US jihad in afghanistan and swallowed this Indian intervention.

Any other self respecting country would have considered it an act of war like India would do If China captures a range or two in McMohan line.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistan initiates firing to create safe passage for terrorists to infiltrate in India.

Here let me correct you:

india resorted to unprovoked firing because an old lady (with family on both sides) who was probably too weak to even pick up an assault rifle crossed the LoC

Status of Siachin was undecided. It was Pakistan who first violated the ceasefire line by initiating operation Gibraltar.

Gibraltar has nothing to do with Siachen

Indian Armed Forces have no interest in politics.

Find a Pakistani who could care less

 

[JayAtl]

Yes you realized that J & K was your part after 37 years of the instrument of accession by Dogra.

Pakistan army is adventurous and has made many mistakes at the behest of US, but Indian army also exercise considerable influence in Indian politics.

AFSPA is a shining example.

AFSA is a law in place. Military recommends its views on it. They don't influence any more than any military in the world in a truly democratic state, well- besides yours.

In the US, our military recommends on the Afghan pull out, which does not mean they acting politically.

Pakistan army is adventurous as you stated- but it is only at its own behest , not others.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Oh well... another born again. Normally people talk truth when they are drunk.. & Pakistani military officers talk truth when they are retired

and what do your retired folks do? no foreign networks talk to them and they aren't exactly the avid golfers

 

[MilSpec]

as for Siachen - it was just an act of belligerence to say the least but not something that went unpunished; then again Kashmir is unfinished business.

Learning about shimla agreement and UN resolution might help understanding Siachin and kashmir

civilian military relations in india though aren't exactly rosy either; a lot of animosity does exist - due to corruption/arms scandals and due to other factors though i dont see a coup happening there at least not anytime soon

Thats because there is a mature political establishment which is non-existent in pakistan!

never was and never will be an integral part of india; that's the ground reality which they'll have to accept one day

either by force, or either by free and fair plebiscite (which Nehru the pundit was in favour of)

Again reading the UN resolution might help, wonder if you know what are the pre requisites for a plebscite according to UN resolutions on kashmir?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

AFSA is a law in place. Military recommends its views on it. They don't influence any more than any military in the world in a truly democratic state, well- besides yours.

In the US, our military recommends on the Afghan pull out, which does not mean they acting politically.

Pakistan army is adventurous as you stated- but it is only at its own behest , not others.

no actually in every war with india - the nation supported the armed forces

even in 2008 when the indians were engaging in their ritual chest-thumping, Pakistanis in Lahore by the thousands were on the roofs of their houses with Pakistani flags waving at F-7PG pilots flying overhead during patrol missions