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BY EDITOR AT 8 JULY, 2010, 2:17 AM

BY: TNN

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The Europeans have launched a fresh counter-offensive to ensure the perceived US influence does not skew the hotly-contested battle to grab the “mother of all defence deals”, the lucrative $10.4 billion project to acquire 126 fighters for IAF.

The defence ministry does proclaim the selection process in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) project, which has now entered a decisive phase with IAF finalising its technical evaluation report after gruelling field trials of the six foreign fighters in contention, will be “competitive, fair and transparent”.

But it’s also a fact that India is sure to factor in its geo-political considerations while finally choosing the MMRCA winner, with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh himself in the past holding that large defence deals should be leveraged to serve the country’s larger political and diplomatic ends.

With the Americans increasingly cornering a major chunk of the lucrative Indian defence market, the Europeans are obviously apprehensive. Some of them even see the “American hand” behind the last-minute scrapping of virtually-finalised deals like the $1.5 billion one for six Airbus A-330 MRTT mid-air refuellers with European aerospace major EADS.

They do not want the story to be repeated with the MMRCA project, in which Eurofighter Typhoon is pitted against the American F/A-18 `Super Hornet’ (Boeing) and F-16 `Falcon’ (Lockheed Martin), apart from Swedish Gripen (Saab), French Rafale (Dassault) and Russian MiG-35 (United Aircraft Corporation).

“Through Eurofighter, four nations (UK, Germany, Spain and Italy) have come together to enter into a real security and cutting-edge technology partnership with India for the next 20 to 30 years,” said German ambassador Thomas Matussek.

Holding that the “unhappiness” over the cancelled deals had been conveyed to the Indian government, Matussek wondered whether India would like to acquire a fighter which was flying across the border as well, in a clear reference to the US supplying F-16s to Pakistan despite Indian objections.


Added the CEO of EADS military air systems, Bernhard Gerwert, “Our price is the best value for money. Our bid has the full support of the four nations. So, we are not afraid of competition.”

The strong European pitch comes soon after the American undersecretary of defence for policy, Michele Flournoy, strongly advocated “US solutions for India’s defence needs” to further cement the expansive Indo-US strategic partnership.

The inking of the MMRCA project, of course, will still take well over a year. The defence ministry will open the commercial bids only after a shortlist of the fighters is drawn up keeping in mind the field evaluation test and the staff evaluation.

Complex issues like “life-cycle costs” and 50% offsets, among other things, will have to negotiated before the actual contract is signed. So, the race is still very much open.
 
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Europe launches a broadside against US in `mother of all defence deals' - India - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The Europeans have launched a fresh counter-offensive to ensure the perceived US influence does not skew the hotly-contested battle to grab the "mother of all defence deals", the lucrative $10.4 billion project to acquire 126 fighters for IAF.

The defence ministry does proclaim the selection process in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) project, which has now entered a decisive phase with IAF finalising its technical evaluation report after gruelling field trials of the six foreign fighters in contention, will be "competitive, fair and transparent".

But it's also a fact that India is sure to factor in its geo-political considerations while finally choosing the MMRCA winner, with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh himself in the past holding that large defence deals should be leveraged to serve the country's larger political and diplomatic ends.

With the Americans increasingly cornering a major chunk of the lucrative Indian defence market, the Europeans are obviously apprehensive. Some of them even see the "American hand" behind the last-minute scrapping of virtually-finalised deals like the $1.5 billion one for six Airbus A-330 MRTT mid-air refuellers with European aerospace major EADS.

They do not want the story to be repeated with the MMRCA project, in which Eurofighter Typhoon is pitted against the American F/A-18 `Super Hornet' (Boeing) and F-16 `Falcon' (Lockheed Martin), apart from Swedish Gripen (Saab), French Rafale (Dassault) and Russian MiG-35 (United Aircraft Corporation).

"Through Eurofighter, four nations (UK, Germany, Spain and Italy) have come together to enter into a real security and cutting-edge technology partnership with India for the next 20 to 30 years," said German ambassador Thomas Matussek.

Holding that the "unhappiness" over the cancelled deals had been conveyed to the Indian government, Matussek wondered whether India would like to acquire a fighter which was flying across the border as well, in a clear reference to the US supplying F-16s to Pakistan despite Indian objections.

Added the CEO of EADS military air systems, Bernhard Gerwert, "Our price is the best value for money. Our bid has the full support of the four nations. So, we are not afraid of competition."

The strong European pitch comes soon after the American undersecretary of defence for policy, Michele Flournoy, strongly advocated "US solutions for India's defence needs" to further cement the expansive Indo-US strategic partnership.

The inking of the MMRCA project, of course, will still take well over a year. The defence ministry will open the commercial bids only after a shortlist of the fighters is drawn up keeping in mind the field evaluation test and the staff evaluation.

Complex issues like "life-cycle costs" and 50% offsets, among other things, will have to negotiated before the actual contract is signed. So, the race is still very much open.
 
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EUROFIGHTER has very less chance of winning with all the technicalities still to be sorted out. Plus the member nations themselves are buying F-35.This says a lot about their confidence in their own project. However offer of India being another partner nation is no doubt mouthwatering.
 
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EUROFIGHTER has very less chance of winning with all the technicalities still to be sorted out. Plus the member nations themselves are buying F-35.This says a lot about their confidence in their own project. However offer of India being another partner nation is no doubt mouthwatering.

you read my mind because there is no fighter in its class that is even near to its capabilities on either sides of the border. We should squeeze the max tech advantage out of this. if the deal goes through
 
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EUROFIGHTER has very less chance of winning with all the technicalities still to be sorted out. Plus the member nations themselves are buying F-35.This says a lot about their confidence in their own project. However offer of India being another partner nation is no doubt mouthwatering.

Then what about the contenders from the nations who are building FGFA (PAK-FA), F-22 and F-35 :partay::lol:
 
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it means hornet is sure,it's all diplomatic game.i think rather than fighters 4 their air force ,india wants u.s to be more close.this deal is just an example.
 
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Do you seriously want me to answer that..?

What he means is that even nations with 5th gen fighter programs, like India, Russia, China are also developing (or acquiring in our case) 4rth gen planes. Our having a 5th gen program (fgfa) doesn't mean that we don't have faith in Tejas or Mkis.
Likewise F35 is American tech. While Europeans are working on 4rth gen planes (Gripen, Raefale, EFT).
 
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I , personally feels that India should go for an european or russian fighter instead of becoming tail-follower of America.
 
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If Eurofighter wins the deal that will be a remarkable milestone for Indo-German cooperation. Now a days Germany is trying their best to sell Eurofighter, we should use this to as opportunity to bring down logistical costs and future upgrades.

EUROFIGHTER has very less chance of winning with all the technicalities still to be sorted out. Plus the member nations themselves are buying F-35.This says a lot about their confidence in their own project. However offer of India being another partner nation is no doubt mouthwatering.
Than we should not buy F-16IN, F-18 Super Hornet or Mig-35 as well. We should not buy MKI also because the source country itself not buying this fighter!!
 
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Thats great.:tup:
I believe that when we r not going for a Russian fighter, we should not go for any US fighter as well. Three simple reasons being-

1. This would have an adverse effect on our relations with our long-standing time-tested ally Russia.
2. US cannot be trusted when it comes to our free use of the equipments bought from them (true example- INS Jalashwa)
plus,
embargo & sanctions at critical times.
3. ToT from US... ahemm... need i say anything about it.:usflag:

Its time for us to go for German, British or French technology in defence perchases. The Europeans' offer is quite complete in itself. All the fighters from Europe (Typhoon, Rafale & Gripen) are offering almost evrything what the IAF wants given the fact that SAAB has even offered source codes for their AESA radar. The extent of technology transfer by the european contenders can only be matched (or i should say surpassed) by the Russians.
IMO Typhoon & Rafale are undoubtedly the best jets competing in this competition then why not pick a european fighter. The best value for money & political ties would lie with the Europeans. I wonder what the cancelled deal of avionics for the JF-17 by the french & the U-214 issue by the Germans, indicate.:what:
 
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It would be great if there types of news are posted in Mrca sticky sections, it easy to follow
 
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