Eurocopter plans to produce helicopters in India

[indian_foxhound]

BANGALORE: Eurocopter plans to
set up a production line in India to
make its Fennec helicopters, if it
wins an Indian defence contract
for the aircraft, its chief executive
said on Thursday. The company, a unit of aerospace
and defence company EADS , is
competing for a contract to sell 197
reconnaissance and surveillance
helicopters. "We will set up a production line in
India," Eurocopter CEO Lutz Bertling
said at an airshow held in the Indian city of Bangalore. Bertling expects the government to decide on the
cheapest bids in the first half of 2013. "So after
further negotiations, the assembly line could
come up in mid-2014." The factory would produce between 25 and 50
helicopters a year, depending on the size of the
contract, he told Reuters, adding the company
was in talks with several local companies to set
up the production line. Eurocopter previously won a contract to sell 197
helicopters to India, but the deal fell through in
2007. Echoing comments by other executives at the
airshow, Bertling said there was no indication
that India's planned budget cuts would affect its
tenders in the country. India is planning cuts to its budget this year,
including some affecting defence, to reduce
spending by about 1.1 trillion rupees ($20.6
billion) in the current financial year, or some 8
percent of budgeted outlay. "We have zero indication that any request for
proposal (RFP) which is out already to be affected.
We can imagine for future programs it would be
bit of a stretch of delivery time," he said.

http://www.economictimes.com/news/n...helicopters-in-india/articleshow/18382385.cms

 

[Screambowl]

yeah good but name one company which is Indian and plans to set up something in the west. We should change our mentality. And this lazy ministry of Industrial affairs is sleeping past 60 years. If we do not have industrial capability because we do not upgrade them then we will not become super power.
we need ' Made in India ' Tag.

 

[janon]

yeah good but name one company which is Indian and plans to set up something in the west. We should change our mentality. And this lazy ministry of Industrial affairs is sleeping past 60 years. If we do not have industrial capability because we do not upgrade them then we will not become super power.
we need ' Made in India ' Tag.

It's the other way round. Them setting up production lines in India means them investing money into India - money flowing into India, jobs to Indian workers, and the flourishing of a lot of auxiliary businesses in India. That is why eurocopter is dangling this as a carrot to sway our decision towards their product.

USA was desperately trying to keep manufacturing jobs in USA and not have their private companies shift all manufacturing to China, but eventually they gave up. Nations always fight to keep jobs and money within their own country, that is what would be in the nation's interest.

If Indian companies manufacture things in Europe, that would mean European workers getting paid using Indian money - is that what you want?

 

[Skull and Bones]

Fennec seems to be the logical choice given it's capability.

 

[Screambowl]

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[Screambowl]

If Indian companies manufacture things in Europe, that would mean European workers getting paid using Indian money - is that what you want?




USA was desperately trying to keep manufacturing jobs in USA and not have their private companies shift all manufacturing to China, but eventually they gave up. Nations always fight to keep jobs and money within their own country, that is what would be in the nation's interest.

my view is broader than giving jobs. Because becoming a super power is much more about investment and jobs.

To build those aircrafts and machines you do not need much men power, what you need is cheap man power, cheap electricity, and cheap raw material which is available in India.



PS: If you are dependent on other countries for war machines, you are no where a super power.

 

[ashok321]

To build those aircrafts and machines you do not need much men power, what you need is cheap man power, cheap electricity, and cheap raw material which is available in India.

Which is also in Bangladesh....

Its technology Stupid!
And sophisticated tool/jig assembly unit, design, precision engineering.

If you were right, NASA would be dormant....lol

 

[Screambowl]

Which is also in Bangladesh....

Its technology Stupid!
And sophisticated tool/jig assembly unit, design, precision engineering.

If you were right, NASA would be dormant....lol

yeah China will take that opportunity. what are you thinking it won't be utilized?

 

[dearone4u_22]

USA was desperately trying to keep manufacturing jobs in USA and not have their private companies shift all manufacturing to China, but eventually they gave up. Nations always fight to keep jobs and money within their own country, that is what would be in the nation's interest.


my view is broader than giving jobs. Because becoming a super power is much more about investment and jobs.

PS: If you are dependent on other countries for war machines, you are no where a super power.

So u want to say we cancel all purchases and wait for our industry to develop everything ..till then we ask Pakistan and China..Time out pls

And pls cut this Superpower Crap....

First provide food to every hungry and empty stomach...roof to every homeless...Education to every child....Health services to every patient....And A Nation that Everyone is proud of ...And the whole world looks upto for Advice...

Then go around World policing ..which is the sole purpose of Being Superpower

Power Comes and go...Respect Stays

 

[ashok321]

yeah China will take that opportunity. what are you thinking it won't be utilized?

China is many notches ahead of Many countries, its the Walmart of the world.

I am talking about tiny winy country called Bangladesh, that fits your stupid criteria......

Dont you start the straw man arguments here...

 

[sancho]

It's the other way round. Them setting up production lines in India means them investing money into India - money flowing into India, jobs to Indian workers, and the flourishing of a lot of auxiliary businesses in India. That is why eurocopter is dangling this as a carrot to sway our decision towards their product.

Actually, no matter who wins, the aim is to have the production in India and with Indian workers anyway, so that is not an advantage for India, but for Eurocopter, because it will be their own subsidiary that will produce it, which means ToT won't be transfered to any Indian industry and they can reduce their production costs.
If HAL, Tata or Mahindra (which btw already have a JV with Eurocopter for civil helicopters), would produce them under ToT instead, they would learn much more.
The other side however is, that we could not only get the Fennec from this production line, but also the Panther, or the NH90 if they win their competition and that it most likely will go without much delays or problems.
However, in this case I want HAL to do it, because of the commonality to their own LUH and since they have successfully worked with Eurocopters baseline companies before. But I would give at least parts of the production to a privat partner.

 

[jha]

Scarp this tender ... Lets give HAL some time. I am sure they will get a prototype of their LUH flying soon. And there is no rush as such to buy so many...

 

[Screambowl]

China is many notches ahead of Many countries, its the Walmart of the world.

I am talking about tiny winy country called Bangladesh, that fits your stupid criteria......

Dont you start the straw man arguments here...

Germany kicked out walmart and preferred their own Lidl! And doing very well. Wait I am not against this advancement but what I am saying is we need to be independent and have our own strong industry if we want to be a super power. There is lots of profit buddy!

You tell me one thing, what do you get out of this set up? just Jobs?, that is not sufficient at all. If you build your own projects, you can also give jobs.

What technology you get from west is never latest because no intelligent country gives you latest, though we know what is the latest.

Actually, no matter who wins, the aim is to have the production in India and with Indian workers anyway, so that is not an advantage for India, but for Eurocopter, because it will be their own subsidiary that will produce it, which means ToT won't be transfered to any Indian industry and they can reduce their production costs.
If HAL, Tata or Mahindra (which btw already have a JV with Eurocopter for civil helicopters), would produce them under ToT instead, they would learn much more.
The other side however is, that we could not only get the Fennec from this production line, but also the Panther, or the NH90 if they win their competition and that it most likely will go without much delays or problems.
However, in this case I want HAL to do it, because of the commonality to their own LUH and since they have successfully worked with Eurocopters baseline companies before. But I would give at least parts of the production to a privat partner.

this is exactly what I have been saying that India should be independent of others and build own industry. People are not aware at all. I do not know why they follow these policies just because leaders get lured, or diplomacy. I am not against this but along with this India should have Industry.

 

[Screambowl]

So u want to say we cancel all purchases and wait for our industry to develop everything ..till then we ask Pakistan and China..Time out pls

And pls cut this Superpower Crap....

First provide food to every hungry and empty stomach...roof to every homeless...Education to every child....Health services to every patient....And A Nation that Everyone is proud of ...And the whole world looks upto for Advice...

Then go around World policing ..which is the sole purpose of Being Superpower

Power Comes and go...Respect Stays

I want Industry revolution in India along with all these ventures. Self dependency in building weapons, machines, and power to innovate. What kind of power you will be when you cannot even develop a fighter jet, or upgrade technologies, or simply have a multinational company. If you have technology you can sell it, why don't you understand?

During my lecture here, the professor showed us a pole with lots of wires hanging and he said , this one was in India and every one in the hall laughed. You do not know how back we are. Industry to develop machine parts, motors, cables, wires, and innovate is very important now.

 

[sancho]

this is exactly what I have been saying that India should be independent of others and build own industry. People are not aware at all. I do not know why they follow these policies just because leaders get lured, or diplomacy. I am not against this but along with this India should have Industry.

Your point is still flawed, because for once India don't want to be a Superpower, secondly India is not able to be independent in the aero field, because the industry is still years behind others.

The latter is the case why you need licence productions, ToT/offsets, JVs and co-developments, because all these things improves your industry in a shorter time, than if they have to learn it all alone. And this is a common procedure all around the world for nations that want to improve their industry, Japan is producring US weapons and licence produce them at home with some customisations, Turkey is licence producing SSKs, combat helicopters, SPHs, IFVs... with some customisations, Brazil is licence producing a several Eurocopter helicopters, Israeli UAVs, even French Exocet missiles.

Even our industry is improving itself, by teaming up, or even taking over foreign partners and benefit from their know how. Take the early Tata diesel trucks as an examples, which started as an JVs with Daimler Benz, or the takeover of Land Rover and Jaguar, or their team up with Denel for SPHs. These are all examples where we had to learn for others first, before we were on a level to do it alone.
The most successful indigenous development is still the Dhruv, exactly because we had foreign support by Germans and French and used the early years to learn. Today we use what we learned to not only re-design it into Rudra or LCH, but also to develop the LUH, which will be the first helicopter that can be developed mainly with the Indian aero industry, because they have reached a good level.