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EU Referendum: Massive swing to Brexit – with just 12 days to go

Exclusive: polling carried out for ‘The Independent’ shows that 55 per cent of UK voters intend to vote for Britain to leave the EU in the 23 June referendum

The campaign to take Britain out of the EU has opened up a remarkable 10-point lead over the Remain camp, according to an exclusive poll for The Independent.

The survey of 2,000 people by ORB found that 55 per cent believe the UK should leave the EU (up four points since our last poll in April), while 45 per cent want it to remain (down four points). These figures are weighted to take account of people’s likelihood to vote. It is by far the biggest lead the Leave camp has enjoyed since ORB began polling the EU issue for The Independent a year ago, when it was Remain who enjoyed a 10-point lead. Now the tables have turned.

Even when the findings are not weighted for turnout, Leave is on 53 per cent (up three points since April) and Remain on 47 per cent (down three). The online poll, taken on Wednesday and Thursday, suggests the Out camp has achieved momentum at the critical time ahead of the 23 June referendum.

Differential turnout could prove crucial. ORB found that 78 per cent of Leave supporters say they will definitely vote – describing themselves as a “10” on a scale of 0-10, while only 66 per cent of Remain supporters say the same.



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The results will heighten fears in the Remain campaign that it is losing ground among Labour supporters, who are seen as critical to securing victory for it. According to ORB, 56 per cent of people who voted for Labour at last year’s general election now back Remain when turnout is taken into account, but a dangerously high 44 per cent support Leave. Only 38 per cent of Tory voters endorse David Cameron’s stance by backing Remain, while 62 per cent support Leave.

Many people seem ready to vote for Brexit even though the poll shows they believe it involves some risk and think the economy is more important than immigration – widely seen as the Leave camp’s trump card.

The one crumb of comfort for the Remain camp is that when people were asked to predict the referendum result, the average figures were 52 per cent for Remain and 48 per cent for Leave. This “wisdom of the crowd” polling proved accurate during Ireland’s referendum on gay marriage last year.

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The ORB survey highlights the stark generational differences over the EU. Seven out of 10 people aged 18-24 back Remain and 30 per cent Leave. Support for Leave rises up the age scale to 64 per cent among those aged 55 and over (figures weighted for turnout). Crucially, just over half (56 per cent) of 18-24 year-olds say they will definitely vote, compared to more than 80 per cent of those aged 55 and over.

Support for EU membership is highest in Scotland, with 60 per cent backing Remain. But a majority of people in every other region of Great Britain favour withdrawal when turnout is taken into account. In London, seen as a strong area for the Remain campaign, only 44 per cent back staying in the EU and 56 per cent favour voting to leave. This is due to the turnout factor. Only 66 per cent of people in London say they will definitely vote, the lowest of any region.

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However, warnings about the economic impact of Brexit appear to have hit home. According to ORB, eight out of 10 people – and of Conservative voters – think leaving the EU would pose some risk, and only 19 per cent think it would pose no risk at all. But a majority of both groups are still prepared to take the risk.


Similarly, 52 per cent of people agree with the statement that the economy is a bigger issue than immigration when considering how to vote in the referendum, while 37 per cent disagree.

Seven out of 10 people think the campaign has been too negative so far, while only 15 per cent disagree. The Leave camp will see this finding as a sign that what it has dubbed Remain’s “Project Fear” has not worked.

Four out of 10 people believe that whatever the referendum result, it will not have much impact on their everyday life, but more people (44 per cent) disagree with this statement.

Polling experts say the result is still too close to call, and that there has been a late swing to the “status quo” option in previous referendums, including the one on Scottish independence in 2014. They also point out that telephone polls consistently give Remain a higher rating than online surveys.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html

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UK will almost certainly leave the EU.

The problem is that the UK is by far the most attractive country in the EU for immigrants and this small Island just cannot absorb the numbers that are wanting to come in.
 
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UK will almost certainly leave the EU.

The problem is that the UK is by far the most attractive country in the EU for immigrants and this small Island just cannot absorb the numbers that are wanting to come in.
It's more than possible that the government will just ignore the result. It's what happened in every EU referendum in other countries. You can't withdraw from the EU without a vote by parliament which is 75% pro EU.
 
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It's more than possible that the government will just ignore the result. It's what happened in every EU referendum in other countries. You can't withdraw from the EU without a vote by parliament which is 75% pro EU.


No, the other referendums were not about leaving the EU but just a particular treaty.

This is totally different.

The UK will almost certainly be out of the EU well before 2020.

Edit - only way is if the EU allows the UK to stay but UK now has full control of it's borders. Then the government will be able to hold a second referendum and will most probably win that one.
 
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It's more than possible that the government will just ignore the result. It's what happened in every EU referendum in other countries. You can't withdraw from the EU without a vote by parliament which is 75% pro EU.
British Parliament can not go against the will of the people. If the Referendum result is YES then the British parliament would have accept it by taking a bitter pill. What would really happen is they would have to find ways to save guard the various agreements between UK and EU member states. This question has been raised many times over the years in Law schools all across UK hence enough research has been attained to minimise the effects of a Brexit.

I still remember my teacher saying the

"British Parliament can make what ever law it wishes how ever would it be possible to enforce this would have to be ascertained. The ideal example was to ban smoking on the streets of Paris...

This has become more complicated after The European Convention on Human Rights to which Britain is a signatory and the British Parliament has made amendments to the Human Right Act which the British Courts have to follow, however they try to follow the ECHR in letter and spirit."
 
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I thought brexiters will lose by a narrow margin.. but it seems they are going strong every day.... also they are the angrier lot and more likely to actually vote..(compared to remainers)
 
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I thought brexiters will lose by a narrow margin.. but it seems they are going strong every day.... also they are the angrier lot and more likely to actually vote..(compared to remainers)

Uncontrolled immigration is the most potent woman that Brexiters have.

Cameron simply does not get it - his party promised to reduce immigration to the 10s of thousands but still 100s of thousands are coming in since UK has no control over EU immigration.
 
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Uncontrolled immigration is the most potent woman that Brexiters have.

Cameron simply does not get it - his party promised to reduce immigration to the 10s of thousands but still 100s of thousands are coming in since UK has no control over EU immigration.
Both labour and conservative are serious about immigration but there is no way they can stop it.. they have done everything they can.. .. for non-eu people its not that easy compared to say 2010... even then they got 188k non-eu migrants..
even after brexit I doubt they can reduce non-eu migration any further... eu migration will sharply go up for 2 year before stabilizing but long term the net migration will hover above 100k...
 
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Both labour and conservative are serious about immigration but there is no way they can stop it.. they have done everything they can.. .. for non-eu people its not that easy compared to say 2010... even then they got 188k non-eu migrants..
even after brexit I doubt they can reduce non-eu migration any further... eu migration will sharply go up for 2 year before stabilizing but long term the net migration will hover above 100k...


Post brexit, immigration can be reduced to as much as the government wants as it has FULL CONTROL of it's borders.
This is just a red-herring put about by "Remain" as why staying in the EU is not that bad after all.

I expect net-immigration to be around 100K after Brexit compared to the 300K that is is now. This would be a significant difference.
 
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Post brexit, immigration can be reduced to as much as the government wants as it has FULL CONTROL of it's borders.
This is just a red-herring put about by "Remain" as why staying in the EU is not that bad after all.

I expect net-immigration to be around 100K after Brexit compared to the 300K that is is now. This would be a significant difference.
it cannot stop non-eu migrants as it is, and I very much doubt they can do anything more. I know people who could not bring their parents because they could not prove that their parents wont settle here. Just one example may be, but its a proof for me that they are quite serious to get good numbers at least.
eu migration might come down significantly, but we will see rise in illegal migrants from eu.
 
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If UK leaves EU--that'll be funny as hell.

Then there's barely any point of EU left...
 
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If UK leaves EU--that'll be funny as hell.

Then there's barely any point of EU left...
UK is late entrant to EU and EU can still function without UK.. main danger to EU comes from within mainland europe.. the mass unemployment in southern europe will tear EU apart.
 
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it cannot stop non-eu migrants as it is, and I very much doubt they can do anything more. I know people who could not bring their parents because they could not prove that their parents wont settle here. Just one example may be, but its a proof for me that they are quite serious to get good numbers at least.
eu migration might come down significantly, but we will see rise in illegal migrants from eu.

No, the Tories are not as serious about non-EU immigrants as you think they are.

They only pretend to want to reduce immigration but they listen to their friends in big-business, who want
immigrants to depress wages and keep the native workers "in-check".
 
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No, the Tories are not as serious about non-EU immigrants as you think they are.

They only pretend to want to reduce immigration but they listen to their friends in big-business, who want
immigrants to depress wages and keep the native workers "in-check".
UK visas are quite transparent, which routes do you think will get closed if a serious party gets into power?
 
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