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Era of ignoring Saudi terror sponsorship over: Germany

You know my position on that - it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. There is no evidence even now that Pakistani institutions were involved in sheltering OBL and the CIA/NDS was playing it's own games with the TTP and Baloch terrorists.

Pakistan's actions are also more 'rational', grounded in national security goals rather than ideological goals as is the case with the Saudis. National security concerns can be addressed and compromises achieved on the means to address those concerns. Ideological goals such as those of extremist Wahabbis and Salafists don't leave any space for compromise, either in the end result or the means.

Change Sunni With Wahabi. Saudis arent Sunni, they are of the Wahabi sect.

Why would you waste energy on an indian loser well known for his hatred towards Pakistan. He will pick Pakistan on anything that please his heart and present bad image of Pakistan.
 
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The problem is, as long as traditional Islam is being taught at schools and madrassas, you will have the likes of ISIS. The Muslim world has to question the 1400 years of Islamic culture sincerely. Not for the West, but for itself.

Have Hinduism changed ??
Have Christanity changed ??
Have judism changed ???

Have you ever been in any Islamic University called Jamia ??

My Brother from another Mother, they are learning quran, hadith, logic over there, the problem is the induction of new subjects like chemistry, physics, maths and computers in there education.

99% of the terrorists are illitrate about Islam.
The 1% who know Islam and doing this are the real culprits we have to capture for our good.
 
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Era of ignoring Saudi terror sponsorship over: Germany

I agree with the Germans. Take out the root of all evil, stop hugging these fukkers from KSA to finance and spread terrorism directly and indirectly. And you've fixed 50% of the problem. The remainder 50%, is in the shape of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban and all. You then take them out through force, and since there won't be any financing, training and recruiting going on, these things will due and become "local" to whatever mosque these fools go to in Afghanistan, etc.

KSA needed to be warned and stopped decades ago. But instead, just like the Vice Chancelor says, these same Western leaders kept turning away from reality on this situation and KSA's role. This needs to be stopped. The terrorist attacks in the past couple of months have disrupted the entire globe, from the US to Pakistan and everything in between!!

I'd go as far as creating a Charter on Combating Terrorism across the globe through the UN. Every nation, religion, etc, should abide by basic fundamental human and religious rights. And anyone forcing their religion on others, or conducting violence (in case of an organization like the ISIS), should be dealt with a Global Anti-Terrorism task force. That way, the entire world has ONE stance, that NO religious violence is accepted and will be tolerated.
 
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How stupid are Muslims here to start being apologetic and in essence give in to the notion that Saudi Arabia is root of all problems around world and we should invite attack against it? Obviously Muslims aren't stupid, the ones in favor of this are Shia. If Shia Muslims assist any aggressors in targeting the birthplace of Islam we will never forget it and officially declare them outside the religion. Shia's and others have interest in destroying Saudi Arabia is they believe the institution of Islam will break down after that and so they can replace the world with Zoroastrianism and Secularism.
 
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When Germany talks against religion..it means serious business..Heil Hitler...!
 
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What does Germany say about Saudi's biggest ally and supporter the United States? I mean if you want to talk about nurturing terrorism then look to the latter.
 
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Saudis should give germany some more discount in oil that will shut germany up-
 
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The problem is, as long as traditional Islam is being taught at schools and madrassas, you will have the likes of ISIS. The Muslim world has to question the 1400 years of Islamic culture sincerely. Not for the West, but for itself.

No buddy, you are wrong.

The teachings of real Islam should continue. But the teaching influence, financing of Wahhabism and such cults should be finished off.

Islamic nations and Madrasas should also think about the reality and start including moderate education methods including mathematics, algebra,geometry, science (physics, chemistry, biology), community civic studies.

Become more TOLERANT and let girls study, women get empowerment. If girls and women get educated and empowered, it has positive affect on children, house matters as well.

Its long time due and i sincerely hope Muslim nations and Mullahs should accept the dark reality due to beliefs of some people in their religion is giving whole religion bad name.
 
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Have Hinduism changed ??
Have Christanity changed ??
Have judism changed ???

Have you ever been in any Islamic University called Jamia ??

My Brother from another Mother, they are learning quran, hadith, logic over there, the problem is the induction of new subjects like chemistry, physics, maths and computers in there education.

99% of the terrorists are illitrate about Islam.
The 1% who know Islam and doing this are the real culprits we have to capture for our good
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Your logic is old news. I personally am lost as I used to think the same, that majority of terrorists are "illiterate and deprived of opportunity". Is that true? The Time Square bomber was a Financial Analyst in NYC. One of the really good careers you'd want to have if you want to work in NYC. You could make millions long term!!

This lady who just went on one of the most brutal killing sprees in the US, was educated as a Pharmacist!!! Pharmacists make around 90K+ a year in the US. So if she and her husband worked, they'd be earning over $ 160 K per year. That's getting into the top 20% of American population!!!!!

I can write more. But the above two examples, show you that the Salaries and $$$$ have nothing to do with terrorism.

So the next natural question is, what can be done? Here's what I've come up with:

1) Shut down all Wahabi / KSA sponsored $$$$ going across the globe, helping Mosques to go beyond their scope (prayers, teaching of a peaceful version of the religion, to becoming terrorist training camps).

2) Countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and even in the US and UK, need to regulate Imaams and other religious leaders with an educational criteria. That means in addition to just the religious education, you must have a degree from a regular educational institute, and preferably some rotation to other countries or some "internships" with different businesses or educational institutes, so you have exposure to the real world.

3) Each mosque should have a selection committee where the prospects (Imaams), can be interviewed and the right candidate is picked. This process will make sure that the candidates will have to compete for this job. And it'll create competition. Each applicant will know that a part of their role is going to be about education and experience outside of the Islamic content, which will push them for more knowledge about other religions, people, resulting in making their views milder and more inline with the year 2015.

4) A 10 year background check, and if there is ANY affiliation found with ISIS like, or Taliban like fractions, you kick them out.

These leaders will be teaching and leading Muslims in their respective mosques, etc for many years. So the Muslim countries and communities across the globe have to make sure that they pick the right candidate that fit the right profile. I don't think there is anything wrong with being a Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Jewish, everyone has a right to pick the faith they think is best for them.

But the problem is when "A" faith (in this case, Islam unfortunately), is either taught or forced upon others, resulting in innocents to get killed like California incident. THAT is un-fukking-acceptable, I don't care what someone says.
No religion tells you to kill civilians and elderly. So if there are wrong versions of Islam being taught, you need to replace these idiot teachers and their finances, and put a better religious educational system in place.

No buddy, you are wrong.

The teachings of real Islam should continue. But the teaching influence, financing of Wahhabism and such cults should be finished off.

Islamic nations and Madrasas should also think about the reality and start including moderate education methods including mathematics, algebra,geometry, science (physics, chemistry, biology), community civic studies.

Become more TOLERANT and let girls study, women get empowerment. If girls and women get educated and empowered, it has positive affect on children, house matters as well.

Its long time due and i sincerely hope Muslim nations and Mullahs should accept the dark reality due to beliefs of some people in their religion is giving whole religion bad name.



I agree with your post 100% and I am saying the same thing on and on again about "reforms" in how Islam is taught.

However, I'd like to add another thing for India to focus on too. That is, to allow other religions that are Non-Hindu to eat beef and live the way they need to. Believe it or not, the Religious Intolerance in India is at the highest too. So what do you have to explain to us about curbing it down?
 
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Yeah right... Saudia Arabia is a strong exporter of oil and the united states will send fleets and troops to defend it. Saudi Arabia bombed yemen and led a coalition against Yemen and nobody said a word. The fact is that saudi Arabia will be tolerated as long as it has oil and gives a thumbs up to everything usa does. Its simple as that.
 
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Middle East is F UPPED
So is the global image of islam/moslems
The West AND WHITE PEOPLE HATE ISLAMIC people and their religion.
Suuni v shia
Saudi v iran
Syria v Turkey
Libya & IRAQ in caos
Pakistan & Afghanistan & TALIBAN
ISIS & ISIL


What the hell do we think .... IM LOST AND CONFUSED
 
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How stupid are Muslims here to start being apologetic and in essence give in to the notion that Saudi Arabia is root of all problems around world and we should invite attack against it? Obviously Muslims aren't stupid, the ones in favor of this are Shia. If Shia Muslims assist any aggressors in targeting the birthplace of Islam we will never forget it and officially declare them outside the religion. Shia's and others have interest in destroying Saudi Arabia is they believe the institution of Islam will break down after that and so they can replace the world with Zoroastrianism and Secularism.
yup, and @vsdoc will be the next caliph :rofl:
 
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The day Saudis stop selling oil to US or run out of it, is the day they are getting bombed, not before that.
That is not necessary. The oil price is now so low and people are so prepared for 100$ oil that even bumping off Saudi Arabia won't be an unimaginable catastrophe. Let us say the 7mil barrels of oil export from Saudi Arabia is totally wiped off. We still have Iran coming out from cold which can add 2mil barrels in a short period. Iraq is still not producing at its capacity. And some oil fields are under ISIS's captivity. A higher price would mean US's shale oil back on to profitable margins. And who knows if US lifts the ban on oil export, then it will counter jolt the oil's price spike. In the long term meanwhile, the world is going towards solar big time. So good times are coming.

You are wrong when you say Saudi Arab monarchs are safe until they are out of their last drop of oil. Their shock will come much sooner.
 
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Has anybody in Rawalpindi read this news ?? The Pakistani security services looked way while Saudis have been financing extremist organizations in Pakistan. When will these thick skulled uniformed people wake up ?
 
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Saudi Arabia is always the center of evil,and they are protected by Uncle Sam.
 
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