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The extreme religious ended society. Maybe not sinificant but a observable and worrisome presence as we have seen in the last decade.

The likes of those who support TLP and JI and Maulana Fazlur Rehman, etc.

And yes, it is a part of democracy to have different opinions, but it is counter intuitive to allow opinions which target democracy itself.
Yaar, how many are elected in the parliament?? I always tell people that JI, MMA and JUI are very good at mobilizing and gathering people from around Pakistan. In a particular constituency, they can't win because there are very few supporters.

India on the other hand has BJP in center that is supported by Bajrang Dal and RSS. Compared to India, Pakistan has much more balanced opinion on religious activism.

When we say openly in forums that Pakistani society is majorly extremist, we don't send a good msg outside considering very few people are elected in the parliament who carry extremist ideology.
 
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For him, 2 to 7 are very haram for him.

Well, for his own sake, he must.

Instead of 1, I would suggest he gets a pet dog.

Nonsense !! :D

A cat will calm a person down i.e. if that person decides to take good care of the cat.

Besides, cats are part of Muslim history. They were much beloved of the Final Messenger and his Comrades.
 
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Yaar, how many are elected in the parliament?? I always tell people that JI, MMA and JUI are very good at mobilizing and gathering people from around Pakistan. In a particular constituency, they can't win because there are very few supporters.

India on the other hand has BJP in center that is supported by Bajrang Dal and RSS. Compared to India, Pakistan has much more balanced opinion on religious activism.

When we say openly in forums that Pakistani society is majorly extremist, we don't send a good msg outside considering very few people are elected in the parliament who carry extremist ideology.

Let's not talk about India for a second. Only Pakistan.

You're right, very few of their representatives are elected into the Parliament. But that doesn't mean people don't hold similar ideas.

We have big questions to ask;

1. How many people in Pakistan support a non revolutanized form of Sharia Law.
2. How many people in Pakistan would like to see enforcement of 'Parda.'
3. How many in the country are in favor of having Cinemas banned.
4. How many advocate for Hudood Ordinance to return.
5. Many more similar questions like this.

Surveys show a clear majority wants Sharia law, but it doesn't define Sharia law and each individual has their own interpretation of it, and many want partial principles of it applied.

But, in regards to questions like these in points, although we have no survey, there's an observable following, at the very least, from personal experience. I can put on here videos of religious scholars with large followings, show very right aligned conservative channels having millions of followers, and so on, reiterate these points in the affirmative even though they don't support the religious parties.

And as to a bad message, well, I am not going to say something does not exist when it does. The first step to a solution is recognizing the problem.
 
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Let's not talk about India for a second. Only Pakistan.

You're right, very few of their representatives are elected into the Parliament. But that doesn't mean people don't hold similar ideas.

We have big questions to ask;

1. How many people in Pakistan support a non revolutanized form of Sharia Law.
2. How many people in Pakistan would like to see enforcement of 'Parda.'
3. How many in the country are in favor of having Cinemas banned.
4. How many advocate for Hudood Ordinance to return.
5. Many more similar questions like this.

Surveys show a clear majority wants Sharia law, but it doesn't define Sharia law and each individual has their own interpretation of it, and many want partial principles of it applied.

But, in regards to questions like these in points, although we have no survey, there's an observable following, at the very least, from personal experience. I can put on here videos of religious scholars with large followings, show very right aligned conservative channels having millions of followers, and so on, reiterate these points in the affirmative even though they don't support the religious parties.

And as to a bad message, well, I am not going to say something does not exist when it does. The first step to a solution is recognizing the problem.

And when these people contest elections, those millions of followers vote for someone else.

Ok, let me tell you, I am in favor of implementation of laws that are very clear in Quran (there is no ambiguity in their understanding) and I believe you being a Muslim will also not oppose it. However, how many times I have voted for JI or JUIF or Tehreek e Labaik?

This leads us to believe that people want to have something, but they don't want extremists or extremism to control their desires. This is the most important thing we must consider when we stereotype Pakistanis as people ready to kill each other.

Why I give example of India is because this forum is frequented by Indian members who literally consider our opinions as something really happening on ground, while they close their eyes on the happenings in their own backyard.

Pakistan is much more tolerant than we, or our neighbors can imagine. We have been voting for PPPP, PMLN, MQM, TI in majority.. JI and the likes have never been able to win general support of the population.
 
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And when these people contest elections, those millions of followers vote for someone else.

Ok, let me tell you, I am in favor of implementation of laws that are very clear in Quran (there is no ambiguity in their understanding) and I believe you being a Muslim will also not oppose it. However, how many times I have voted for JI or JUIF or Tehreek e Labaik?

This leads us to believe that people want to have something, but they don't want extremists or extremism to control their desires. This is the most important thing we must consider when we stereotype Pakistanis as people ready to kill each other.

Why I give example of India is because this forum is frequented by Indian members who literally consider our opinions as something really happening on ground, while they close their eyes on the happenings in their own backyard.

Pakistan is much more tolerant than we, or our neighbors can imagine. We have been voting for PPPP, PMLN, MQM, TI in majority.. JI and the likes have never been able to win general support of the population.

Like i already said, politically they support or not, an observable segment support in the affirmative of some extremist laws. I raised some questions, and I am sure you personally know people who will be in the affirmative of enforcing them. My poing was, whether or not peoe vote them in, there are certain parts of extremism that still linger.

Lastly, I believe that the principles of Islam, like oneness of God, finality of Prophet PBUH, and other foundations, are the only thing which are unchangeable.

I believe that Islamic law however is subject to rigorous change with time. Many verses in the Quran purely concern people of that time and circumstances of that time.
 
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I'm from Pakistan, lived there my entire life in Karachi.

I have seen and talked with people like him first hand.

You can continue denying reality just to save face, but I don't shy away from the blunt truth. Anyways, believe what you like, we're all free people on this forum.

If you are Pakistani then you have every right to your opinion. And i support it.

Screw India.
Pakistan first!
 
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I believe that Islamic law however is subject to rigorous change with time. Many verses in the Quran purely concern people of that time and circumstances of that time.
This is entirely your opinion.
 
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EU's Islamophobia and hypocrisy aside, all Muslims should gladly take advantage of this support to balkanize India.

India will be Balkanized with or without support from Pakistan or Muslims.

As more and more @jamahir become stateless and refugee crisis rises it will be imperative for world economy to have India balkanised.
 
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India will be Balkanized with or without support from Pakistan or Muslims.

As more and more @jamahir become stateless and refugee crisis rises it will be imperative for world economy to have India balkanised.

To extrapolate what is going on now, maybe more and more jamahirs will become stateless, but there will be no Balkanization of India. Indians in general, except for Kashmir, are not that keen on independent status. I believe even in the North Eastern states, they are not that keen.

@halupridol

I believe that Islamic law however is subject to rigorous change with time. Many verses in the Quran purely concern people of that time and circumstances of that time.

Agreed. We must look at the context.
 
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To extrapolate what is going on now, maybe more and more jamahirs will become stateless, but there will be no Balkanization of India. Indians in general, except for Kashmir, are not that keen on independent status. I believe even in the North Eastern states, they are not that keen.

@halupridol

Kashmiris are not Indians illegal alien Jamahir.

I think as economic markets take a toll further, many states will secede from the Indian Union.
 
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CAA ‘discriminatory in nature and dangerously divisive’, says European Parliament’s draft resolution

The final draft resolution on India’s Citizenship (Amendment) Act (CAA) agreed on by six of the largest political groups in the European Parliament on Tuesday states the law is “discriminatory in nature and dangerously divisive” and calls on the government to repeal “discriminatory amendments”.

Six political groups of Members of the European Parliament (MEPs), including the European People’s Party (EPP) Group, and the Socialists and Democrats (S&D) Group, which together have 336 members in the 751-strong parliament, decided on a joint draft that is watered down compared to resolutions they had tabled individually.

However, the joint draft, to be debated on January 29, is still critical of the CAA and the National Register of Citizens (NRC), which it said “may be used to target marginalised groups” and “may create a large-scale statelessness crisis and cause immense human suffering”.

The joint draft, accessed in advance by HT, “deeply regrets the adoption and implementation of the CAA, which is discriminatory in nature and dangerously divisive [and] further calls upon the Government of India to engage with various sections of the population for a peaceful dialogue and repeal the discriminatory amendments, which violate India’s international obligations”.

It also warned “against the increasing nationalism which has resulted, among others, in fuelling religious intolerance and the discrimination of Muslims”.

Indian officials have described the resolution as interference in the country’s internal matters and called on the MEPs to engage with the government to get a full and accurate assessment of facts. Reports have also suggested that sections of the MEPs have taken up the CAA at the behest of Pakistan.

Idoia Villanueva, a GUE/NGL Group member of the European Parliament’s committee of foreign affairs and member of the delegation for ties with India, said: “There is a slow but steady deterioration in the protection of human rights in India. The cut-off of communications in Kashmir, the citizenship law or the continuing strikes are good examples of this.

In this context, we believe the European Union’s foreign policy must be able to combine the principles that guide it, which include human rights and respect for rule of law, with its interests...This is the intention of our motion, which seeks that human rights and the principle of non-discrimination are upheld as enshrined in international obligations.”

The final draft resolution also condemns the decision of Indian authorities to “shut down internet access to global networks”, and states that any ruling by India’s Supreme Court on CAA “will bring more clarity about the said legislation and its compatibility with the Constitution of India and its international obligations”.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-resolution/story-Ae9F0bHJaaGzHvzUtf4SlI.html
 
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This is entirely your opinion.

I wouldn't regard it as my opinion. Our second to Jinnah, national hero Iqbal, had such a opinion, which is in his book about Reconnaissance of Islam and Muslims. I have only taken influence from there.
 
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Watch Hindutva screech like the filthy rabid mongrels they are: "we don't care about EU opinion, blah blah blah Indian internal matter, napak sajish EU ka, India must ban all imports from EU...."

Where is this so called independent economic clout that hinduland apparently wields like some flaming saffron trident cutting swathes across entire nations?

Of all the entities and nation states that have launched tirades against Indian "internal matters", these supposed economic masters have only been able to actually take action against humble Malaysia.

Modern India will always dream of being as economically strong as it was when the Mughals ruled it.

"The Indian economy was large and prosperous under the Mughal Empire.[65] During the Mughal era, the gross domestic product (GDP) of India in 1600 was estimated at about 22% of the world economy, the second largest in the world, behind only Ming China but larger than Europe. By 1700, the GDP of Mughal India had risen to 24% of the world economy, the largest in the world, larger than both Qing China and Western Europe.[66] Mughal India was the world leader in manufacturing,[27] producing about 25% of the world's industrial output up until the 18th century.[28] India's GDP growth increased under the Mughal Empire, with India's GDP having a faster growth rate during the Mughal era than in the 1,500 years prior to the Mughal era.[66] Mughal India's economy has been described as a form ofproto-industrialization, like that of 18th-century Western Europe prior to the Industrial Revolution.[67]

The Mughals were responsible for building an extensive road system, creating a uniform currency, and the unification of the country.[8]:185–204 The empire had an extensive road network, which was vital to the economic infrastructure, built by a public worksdepartment set up by the Mughals which designed, constructed and maintained roads linking towns and cities across the empire, making trade easier to conduct.[65]

The main base of the empire's collective wealth was agricultural taxes, instituted by the third Mughal emperor, Akbar.[23][24] These taxes, which amounted to well over half the output of a peasant cultivator,[25] were paid in the well-regulated silver currency,[21] and caused peasants and artisans to enter larger markets.[26] "

Do note my pdf friends that this excerpt is from indocentric Wikipedia but even they can't resist the harsh truth that Mughal India was India's economic golden age (though the British did quite well with India too).

And here we are in 2020, Indian "supapowa" dawn, and they can just about manage to bully a 90 year old guy over his Palm oil exports.

The funniest thing is Modi thinks Mughal India was some kind of "dark age". ...Yes Mr Modi, mughalistan kept Brahmin wet dreams down and under control - must have been awful for you.
 
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India will prove manhood and sanction EU states for infringing on its sovereignity...

How can a SLBM lanunching, Boomerz in da sea.. BraMouse in the air... Tejas ruling da Skies... ACs in the Oceans... Arjunz shaking da groundz... a Great Power be so humiliated by EU.???

Don't worry you will see The Might of India...

Hindutva is about The Greatness of India and having the muscles to impose it on others... EU will on its knees by tomorrow at the most!!!

If you knew about Ancient Genetic Engineering... you will also have faith in India as I have come to have!!!
Alas, they have set themselves up to fail by repeatedly espousing the false inferiority complex driven narrative that somehow their Mughal past is an aberration and Brahmins/"Aryans" (whatever that bizarre term means) are their true precursors and saviours of their legacy.

People laugh when they voluntarily dismiss the Mughal aspects of their history (and non-Mughal Muslim ones too btw). It's miserable and self-defeating to discard one's own history.

I've asked this rhetorical question before on these pages sir as you well know - would Brits dismiss the Roman aspects of their history because of Roman brutality during the conquest of Britannia? Of course not. Such perversion of history is unthinkable here.

Yet master Modi has stumbled upon the key to Indian success, the final solution that will truly unify his tea seller musings into an overarching narrative that explains India's problems and simultaneously creates a method for its eternal success - blame the Muslims, past, present and future.
 
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I wouldn't regard it as my opinion. Our second to Jinnah, national hero Iqbal, had such a opinion, which is in his book about Reconnaissance of Islam and Muslims. I have only taken influence from there.
Firstly, there's a difference between being a mujaddid and believing that Quran was revealed for that era.

And Allama Iqbal is a common man for me, far far below, in fact nothing compared to the last prophet Muhammad PBUH. There's a reason Muhammad PBUH was the last prophet and Quran was the last revelation.

There's nothing that can be changed in Quran, nothing can be added and nothing can be subtracted. For example, no one can decide today that pork was haraam only 1400 years back and Muslims of today can eat them, or fornication and live-in relationships were forbidden only 1400 years back, now we can do anything as we like.

And it has nothing to do with extremism. It is a belief system and anyone who believes on Quran being the final book and Muhammad PBUH being there final prophet and wants to abide by the strict rules of Quran and Sunnah is NOT an extremist. Extremist is a person who makes fun of a guy who wants to stick to his beliefs.

I understand you have an opinion, but you need to read and understand Quran and Sunnah unless you are a Qadiani, which if you are, I will not debate on anything with you as you and I are completely different when it comes to our beliefs and I don't see any point in discussing religion with non Muslims.
 
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