Entire Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyers all in dock.

[waz]

The entire fleet of the Royal Navy's most advanced warships are currently in port and not on operations, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

A photograph showing the vessels docked in Portsmouth was published by the website UK Defence Journal.

A source told Sky News that the ships had either "just got back from operations, are about to go on operations, or are having planned maintenance done".

But another senior figure said it was "almost unprecedented" that all the ships should be in port and "it either showed a gross lack of planning or was indicative of something more serious".

But Admiral Sir James Burnell-Nugent, former Commander-in-Chief Fleet of the Royal Navy, told Sky News the scheduling of warships is "a complex business".

"There is maintenance, software upgrades and of course the sailors' leave.

"Sailors have families just like everybody else, so often the sequencing of ships is such that they come in towards the end of June, July time and then redeploy in September, and that's actually good planning because sailors get home and it keeps them happy and in the Navy."

He added: "The rationale for having them is to be able to ultimately fight a war - and actually just now, we don't have a war on, on the sort of scale that would require Type 45 Destroyers."



The Type 45 Destroyers are primarily designed for an air defence role.

Their advanced radars are capable of scanning the skies to detect and engage enemy aircraft. But recently the fleet has experienced serious engineering issues.

This is the latest embarrassment to beset the fleet.

All six ships - HMS Daring, HMS Dauntless, HMS Diamond, HMS Defender, HMS Dragon and HMS Duncan - worth £1bn each, need to be refitted with new engines after some of them broke down.

This work is due to begin in 2019 and the MoD has guaranteed it will not affect operational capabilities.

It will put a further strain on the Royal Navy, which has been considerably cut in size in recent years, and it will put into doubt the safety of the new aircraft carriers which will rely on the Type 45s for security.



Maritime strategist, Professor Eric Grove, told Sky News: "There are maintenance problems and these have to be solved.

"It is true that in summer ships do come home. There is a families day for Diamond, which I think is fully operational. Duncan I think is at a dry dock, Dauntless is the static training ship. The others are probably operational at relatively short notice.

"But yes, it isn't good. These ships should be at sea."

He added: "The fundamental problem is this: we don't have enough frigates and destroyers. Previous defence reviews have reduced the number to 19. We need at least six or seven more than that.

"We are paying the price for the neglect of the Navy in recent years."

A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said: "This week the Royal Navy had over 8,500 personnel deployed on operations around the world and 34 ships at sea.

"All Type 45 Destroyers are currently in port as they have either just returned from operations, or are about to be deployed, are conducting training or carrying out maintenance or are home for crew to take summer leave."

http://news.sky.com/story/all-royal-navys-advanced-destroyers-in-port-10516991

 

[Blue Marlin]

The entire fleet of the Royal Navy's most advanced warships are currently in port and not on operations, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

A photograph showing the vessels docked in Portsmouth was published by the website UK Defence Journal.

A source told Sky News that the ships had either "just got back from operations, are about to go on operations, or are having planned maintenance done".

But another senior figure said it was "almost unprecedented" that all the ships should be in port and "it either showed a gross lack of planning or was indicative of something more serious".

But Admiral Sir James Burnell-Nugent, former Commander-in-Chief Fleet of the Royal Navy, told Sky News the scheduling of warships is "a complex business".

"There is maintenance, software upgrades and of course the sailors' leave.

"Sailors have families just like everybody else, so often the sequencing of ships is such that they come in towards the end of June, July time and then redeploy in September, and that's actually good planning because sailors get home and it keeps them happy and in the Navy."

He added: "The rationale for having them is to be able to ultimately fight a war - and actually just now, we don't have a war on, on the sort of scale that would require Type 45 Destroyers."



The Type 45 Destroyers are primarily designed for an air defence role.

Their advanced radars are capable of scanning the skies to detect and engage enemy aircraft. But recently the fleet has experienced serious engineering issues.

This is the latest embarrassment to beset the fleet.

All six ships - HMS Daring, HMS Dauntless, HMS Diamond, HMS Defender, HMS Dragon and HMS Duncan - worth £1bn each, need to be refitted with new engines after some of them broke down.

This work is due to begin in 2019 and the MoD has guaranteed it will not affect operational capabilities.

It will put a further strain on the Royal Navy, which has been considerably cut in size in recent years, and it will put into doubt the safety of the new aircraft carriers which will rely on the Type 45s for security.



Maritime strategist, Professor Eric Grove, told Sky News: "There are maintenance problems and these have to be solved.

"It is true that in summer ships do come home. There is a families day for Diamond, which I think is fully operational. Duncan I think is at a dry dock, Dauntless is the static training ship. The others are probably operational at relatively short notice.

"But yes, it isn't good. These ships should be at sea."

He added: "The fundamental problem is this: we don't have enough frigates and destroyers. Previous defence reviews have reduced the number to 19. We need at least six or seven more than that.

"We are paying the price for the neglect of the Navy in recent years."

A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said: "This week the Royal Navy had over 8,500 personnel deployed on operations around the world and 34 ships at sea.

"All Type 45 Destroyers are currently in port as they have either just returned from operations, or are about to be deployed, are conducting training or carrying out maintenance or are home for crew to take summer leave."

http://news.sky.com/story/all-royal-navys-advanced-destroyers-in-port-10516991

they have been having problems with the wr-21 engine support systems, more in particular the cooler iceing up. which shuts down the turbine engines resulting the maxing out the mtu generators which are not meant to generate power for the ships propulsion but for the ships systems
they are by far the best air defence destroyer in the world

 

[Technofoxxy]

they are by far the best air defence destroyer in the world

Eh hem...

 

[Blue Marlin]

Eh hem...

eh hem what...........you cant beat the sea viper (paams)

Or if you're feeling old school:

The Ticonderoga class cruisers were actually classified as destroyers early in the program.



Mmhmm, you know new Burke's are being built with more modern systems right? Including a new radar and fire control system?

Besides, what missile are you using? Aster 30?

Aster 30 versus SM-6 in a battle of air defense... honestly, it's hardly even a contest.

the newer radars are on the new blocks. the older ship will get them when in for upgrades.
the burke has been around in service since 1991, the type 45.......2009 so yeah there a big gap there. but considering the sampson radar

coupled with the s1850m is a ship capable of detecting any aerial and a large number of balistic threats.

as for the aster 30........ its here we are looking at getting them at the 1nt spec so they can engage missiles at 1500km and the block 2 at 2000km

also i think our slyver vls can hol missil on the mk41 i think there were once looking at using the a70 to hold the tomahawk

 

[Butchcassidy]

The entire fleet of the Royal Navy's most advanced warships are currently in port and not on operations, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

A photograph showing the vessels docked in Portsmouth was published by the website UK Defence Journal.

A source told Sky News that the ships had either "just got back from operations, are about to go on operations, or are having planned maintenance done".

But another senior figure said it was "almost unprecedented" that all the ships should be in port and "it either showed a gross lack of planning or was indicative of something more serious".

But Admiral Sir James Burnell-Nugent, former Commander-in-Chief Fleet of the Royal Navy, told Sky News the scheduling of warships is "a complex business".

"There is maintenance, software upgrades and of course the sailors' leave.

"Sailors have families just like everybody else, so often the sequencing of ships is such that they come in towards the end of June, July time and then redeploy in September, and that's actually good planning because sailors get home and it keeps them happy and in the Navy."

He added: "The rationale for having them is to be able to ultimately fight a war - and actually just now, we don't have a war on, on the sort of scale that would require Type 45 Destroyers."



The Type 45 Destroyers are primarily designed for an air defence role.

Their advanced radars are capable of scanning the skies to detect and engage enemy aircraft. But recently the fleet has experienced serious engineering issues.

This is the latest embarrassment to beset the fleet.

All six ships - HMS Daring, HMS Dauntless, HMS Diamond, HMS Defender, HMS Dragon and HMS Duncan - worth £1bn each, need to be refitted with new engines after some of them broke down.

This work is due to begin in 2019 and the MoD has guaranteed it will not affect operational capabilities.

It will put a further strain on the Royal Navy, which has been considerably cut in size in recent years, and it will put into doubt the safety of the new aircraft carriers which will rely on the Type 45s for security.



Maritime strategist, Professor Eric Grove, told Sky News: "There are maintenance problems and these have to be solved.

"It is true that in summer ships do come home. There is a families day for Diamond, which I think is fully operational. Duncan I think is at a dry dock, Dauntless is the static training ship. The others are probably operational at relatively short notice.

"But yes, it isn't good. These ships should be at sea."

He added: "The fundamental problem is this: we don't have enough frigates and destroyers. Previous defence reviews have reduced the number to 19. We need at least six or seven more than that.

"We are paying the price for the neglect of the Navy in recent years."

A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said: "This week the Royal Navy had over 8,500 personnel deployed on operations around the world and 34 ships at sea.

"All Type 45 Destroyers are currently in port as they have either just returned from operations, or are about to be deployed, are conducting training or carrying out maintenance or are home for crew to take summer leave."

http://news.sky.com/story/all-royal-navys-advanced-destroyers-in-port-10516991

Tora tora tora

 

[waz]

Eh hem...

Well that's American and not Norwegian is it. . It's old as well.
You're meant to be on our side. You can keep your bloody Christmas tree this year as well.

 

[Anubis]

Well that's American and not Norwegian is it. . It's old as well.
You're meant to be on our side. You can keep your bloody Christmas tree this year as well.

Well you see you left the EU and Norway is in NATO...so.....

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

they are by far the best air defence destroyer in the world

I don`t doubt it, even though, has not Admiral Alan West said, you could still build better ships?
Actually what I wanted to say, all the 45`s fleet in dry dock...these are almost German conditions...

 

[Technofoxxy]

. It's old as well.

Old. This one was launched last year.

Burkes are still being built.

In fact 3 new ones have been launched, the keels been laid for 4 and another 7 have had their contract awarded for building. Many of those will be Flight IIA which will included technologies from the Flight III; the rest will be of the later flight.

Well that's American and not Norwegian is it.

It's only American until we pirate it.

Prepare your arse to be boarded!

You can keep your bloody Christmas tree this year as well.

Well you see you left the EU and Norway is in NATO...so.....

And we were never in the EU.

The UK can join us in both NATO and giving the EU the finger.

 

[Anubis]

Old. This one was launched last year.

Burkes are still being built.

In fact 3 new ones have been launched, the keels been laid for 4 and another 7 have had their contract awarded for building. Many of those will be Flight IIA which will included technologies from the Flight III; the rest will be of the later flight.



It's only American until we pirate it.

Prepare your arse to be boarded!

And we were never in the EU.

The UK can join us in both NATO and giving the EU the finger.

Oh shit I didn't know that!

 

[Penguin]

Well that's American and not Norwegian is it. . It's old as well.
You're meant to be on our side. You can keep your bloody Christmas tree this year as well.

Aegis with Norwegian navy

Well you see you left the EU and Norway is in NATO...so.....

So? UK is still NATO. And for all practical purposes, EU and UK aren't seperated just yet. Including on defence.

 

[Srinivas]

Seems UK are incorporating more advanced technologies.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Well that's American and not Norwegian is it. . It's old as well.
You're meant to be on our side. You can keep your bloody Christmas tree this year as well.

i would have expected you of all people to know they are stilling popping them out
the latest ship to come out is the uss rafael peratla (ddg-115)
launched november 2015 now being outfitted

 

[Penguin]

Old. This one was launched last year.

Burkes are still being built.

USS Hopper (DDG-70)
Ordered:8 April 1992
Laid down: 23 February 1995
Launched: 6 January 1996
Commissioned: 6 September 1997

USS Hopper is approaching 20 years of age.

The UK can join us in both NATO and giving the EU the finger.

WHAT FINGER?

Norway is not a member of the EU, but is closely linked to it through the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement.

For its part, the EU has also referred to its relationship with Norway as an attractive model for developing future ties with its neighbours. In 2014 the Council of the European Union stated that a precondition for non-member states that want close integration with the EU is the establishment of an EEA-like common institutional framework to ensure homogeneity and legal certainty.

There are therefore good reasons to look more closely into the true nature of the Norwegian option, and its relevance for the UK.

Some lessons to be learnt from the Norwegian case:

• European integration has been beneficial for the Norwegian economy and has helped it to modernise and stay competitive.
• As a member of the EEA, Norway is integrated into the single market, meaning that it also guarantees free movement of people. However, the nature of the country’s cooperation stretches well beyond the single market, and covers free movement of goods, capital and services, environmental protection, state aid, research, and public procurement.
• Norway’s integration with the EU began in 1994, and numerous additional agreements have since been concluded, in the areas of border, migration, police, defence, security and climate.
• A separate EFTA Surveillance Authority and an EFTA Court have the task of monitoring and ensuring compliance in Norway, much like the European Commission and the European Court of Justice do for the member states.
• Norway complies with some three-quarters of all EU laws and policies. As a result, Norwegian society has gradually become Europeanised, in a very similar way to EU member states. In short, Norway is more inside than outside the EU.
• Norway’s association with the EU does not come free of charge. The Norwegian net financial contribution to the EU in 2010 was to the EU was €350 million, or around €80 per capita - a figure comparable to the contributions of France or Italy. The economic contributions have steadily increased since then, and the Norwegians have learnt that the EU can be a very tough negotiator when it comes to allowing access to its market.
• Norway can decide to make free trade agreements by themselves. However, in reality there are several important constraints to this freedom. During the negotiations Norway cannot be flexible on many of the regulations that are shaped by the EU. Norway has also come to realise that as a small market it is not as attractive a negotiating partner as others, and it is for instance not included in the TTIP negotiations.
• The truly unique element of the Norwegian model is that the EEA arrangement entails “integration without representation”. The agreements do not give Norway a seat at the table, a right to vote, and only grants them very limited possibilities to influence the EU agenda. Norway is left, much like any other Brussel lobbyist, trying to influence the EU from the outside. As the EU has expanded and become an important global regulator and standard setter, Norway has realised that it is increasingly difficult to lobby the EU, even in areas where Norway has considerable negotiating power, such as in oil and gas, or financial regulations.
• EU legislation is hardly debated in the Norwegian Parliament, leaves limited room for policy choices, and is most often regarded as technical implementation of the agreement. Briefly put: Norway’s agreements with the EU have had a paralysing effect, not an invigorating one, on the domestic democratic system.
• The reasons for this rather unattractive arrangement are circumstantial and specific to Norway. For Austria, Finland and Sweden the EEA agreement turned out to be a preparatory move for full EU membership at a later stage. By contrast, the Norwegian government lost a referendum on full membership in 1994, and were unable to progress further than the initial EEA arrangements. It should be understood as a political compromise and a second-best solution, in the sense that many would prefer either full EU membership or less integration, but politicians do not dare to restart the debate.
• For any European country operating in a modern economy there is no real escape from integration and intense interaction with other European partners, countries and societies. You can vote to put an end to representation, but there is no escape from integration. You can vote to protect your formal sovereignty, but in a world of interdependence real sovereignty has to be pooled.
• To be sure, the Norwegian economy has performed well as a quasi-member of the European Union, but this is primarily as a result of high commodity prices and issues unrelated to its mode of association to the EU. In fact, Norway has benefitted greatly from deep integration with the EU. The agreements with the EU have provided access to a huge market, and reduced some of the costs and regulatory uncertainties for third parties associated with non-membership. High commodity prices, especially for oil and gas, has made it easier to withstand the costs of non-membership.
• Norway has tolerated its peculiar type of integration because there is a high degree of convergence between the EU’s and Norway’s regulatory aspirations, particularly in areas such as market law and environmental policy. In addition, as a small country Norway has no tradition of or aspiration to act like the Greater European States and take the lead in European developments.

http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_lessons_from_the_norway_eu_relationship_7046

Norway to Britain: Don’t leave, you’ll hate it
Norwegians pay a high price for not being at the table on EU decisions, says [Norwegian] prime minister.
http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-referendum-look-before-you-leap-norways-pm-tells-brexiteers/

 

[Blue Marlin]

Aegis with Norwegian navy


So? UK is still NATO. And for all practical purposes, EU and UK aren't seperated just yet. Including on defence.

they dont have the sm-3 or the sm-6? do they....... most likely they would have what the spaniards would have, the sm-2mr