Enter The Darul Uloom Deoband Hind (india)

[Shaagird]

Hi every one---
"the madrassas in Pak are the root cause of evil!,indirectly it is Pak"
every tom, dick n harry here on this very forum and there in the world falls for this trendy statement. without comprehending the root cause ----
the point being made is that to look trendy, everyone wants to talk about the symptoms no one dares to diagnose the disease. and this very disease of takfirism( nothing but a zionist tool) -- which wants to subdue every sane human lies in India.. with its advent by hijacking the madrassah system in the 19th century by the brits (in response to the Aligarh modern educational movement initiated by sunni n shai muslims e.g Sir Syed Ahmed khan----------)
like its contemporary sister oranizations e. ikhwaan e.t.c it has produced nothin but chaos, killings and whatnot in the Muslim world and beyond. you subdue before it or you are going to be termed as a bidati (innovator in Religion) or an infidel

Almost every terror activity here or there in the west is directly or indirectly related with a
''sunni" madrassh

there is not any single sunni madrisah which ever taught its followers or abetted any terror activity-----you folks have to make a distinction between [ sunni(brailvis / sufis), shia] and [deobandi cum salafist groups]

each n every terror organization either originates from or borrows its intellect form darul uloom deoband hind or from some salafist madrassh in M.E. they only constitutes 10 or 15% of Musalmans in the world .
TALIBAN, T.T.P, JINDULLAH, LASHKARS, ISISI, ALQAEDA and many others are the finest products of these madrassahs.

many here on this forum especially indians keep whinning about terrorism day in day out. have they ever dared to question their own govt?( inidan national security adviser ajit dovel is on record for admitting that they have given assistence to tehreek talliban n jindullah)
why don,t you tame or eradicate this zmobies dino-mind production factory in your very own country . which has and is polluting the very fabric of the muslim society in the world by making them suicide bombers--which they think is the only redemption for thier kind
every deobandi madrassah in Pak, afghanistan us , europe follows what lies in india in the name of sunni Islam

to my Pak brethren --why you people always adopt defensive approach. why not come forward and show these takfiris their bloody okaat.look what have they done to us . WE are the 87%-- no body takes us seriously even our kith n kin the Turks n Iranians with whom we have Religious cultural n blood ties --
you folks have to start an effective counter propoganda social campaign against this yazeedi crap --For how long we have to surrender our liberites and freedom to these cannibals. i mean i as a sunni have been taunted many a times for chanting

YA RASUL ALLAH S.A.W.W
YA ALI R.A
for celebrating PROPHET'S S.A.W.W BIRTHDAY?
For observing MUHARRAM Procession?

who the hell are they to dictate the sunni, shias what they should do or not.which they had been doing since centuries

Let me put it straight for these takfiris!--- people here have been converted by Sufi Saints -----

( almost 95% of Them are HASHEMITES--- Descendents OF THE PROPHET S.A.W.W . they knew Deen better and we will only only only do what they taught us to do )

not by umayas or abbasi's or by some tableeghi jamat



ok-- to show the extent of poison which they have injected in our minds i tell you people only one incident.
a man who had been attending a deobandi masjid just for 2 or 3 months asked me that he want to name his new born can i suggest him a name?. i congratulate him--- and told him to name his son after HAZRAT ALI ASGHAR R.A

he then starred at me for a while and then said no no no its a shia name--
there you go----------
then i suggested him---------ABU ZAR GHAFARI R.A ---- now he was like okk fine its the name of a Sahabi
see---- we have been lowered to this level of bigotry and hatred----------by none other than the deobandi cum salafis ''sharea''
first they come into sunni mosques ----every thing is fine----- then after gaining some reasonable control every thing becomes biddaaah and shirk-------------
my aim was to give awareness about darul uloom deoband hind who produces the real terror celebrities
in colloboration with their salafist directors and producers .
NOTE: ( not every deobandi or Wahabi is evil there are many great people in these sects . the man in my avatar is a Wahabi Alim)

your Thoughts plz ------------------------------
@Irfan Baloch @jamahir @karakoram @ghilzai @DESERT FIGHTER @haman10 @Daneshmand @Hyperion @Serpentine @zenon @Imran Khan @Areesh @Hakan @xenon54

 

[jamahir]

@Shaagird

a well written post, much required and i agree to most of it.

i will start by agreeing with you that not every person in the deoband fold is a evil person... there indeed are good people and some of these are present on pdf - like @Color_Less_Sky bhai ... then there is abdul hamid khan bhashani[1], the "red maulana", a former student of deoband who later turned to modern socialism/progressiveism... he was a progressive bengali activist first in pakistan and then for a few years in the new bangladesh until his death in 1976... he was made known to me by @bongbang ... shaagird, you should write about the man in your profile-picture.

i will next make clear where i disagree or have something to add - (a). since we are talking about rejecting current and historical religious discord, we must also accept at the technological/intellectual/scientific contributions to world through the umayya empire, though i reject the concept of kings and emperors because they are not democratic and go against the concepts of islam, (b). again, since we are talking about rejecting reactionary ideology, we must also accept that iran government is also not in line with true islam.

i agree to the rest of your post, i especially like your phrase "zombies dino-mind production factory". yes, i agree that as long as this factory so openly operates in india, the world will be affected and i have written in posts before that i will not mind but encourage if the indian supreme court makes the indian military raid this mullah school and closes it and arrests all members and external supporters, with the parallel work being raiding also the rss/sangh offices, training grounds and membership.

though i say that older progressive religions like islam, christianity and sikhism must meld/fuse into a scientific political system in the immediate human future, i must say that for years i used to say "i am not sunni, i am not shia, i am just a muslim"... i did not know then that this was also said by muammar gaddafi, the current imam of all muslims.

you mention your conversation with the person with the newly born reminds me of this... before the modern poisoning started, many sunnis had no problem in using "ali" as their sons names... i don't know but the pakistani actor, ali zafar, might just be sunni... the late husband of my cousin ( a teacher herself ) in his school teachering days used to sing naats which included praises of hazrat ali... though there is greater sectarianism now, there still is hope.

i will ask the reader to read my post[2] from november that speaks of the global effects of deoband and tableeghi jamaat... lastly, i will point to the collaboration and agreement[3] of the various offshoots of deoband with the hinduism reactionary movement, the sangh parivar... after all, they all stand against progressiveism...

NEW DELHI: Jamaat-e-Islami Hind (JIH) has praised former RSS chief K Sudarshan in an article prominently displayed in the September 22 issue of its bi-weekly mouthpiece Dawat and mourned his death. Sudarshan died in Raipur on September 15.

In the section Khabar-O-Nazar (News and Views), Dawat chief editor Parwaaz Rahmani recounted how Sudarshan wanted to visit Bhopal's Tajul Masjid on August 20 "to say the Eid prayer or to offer Eid greetings", but his staff and police prevented him on the pretext of traffic jam.

After the Eid namaz, former Madhya Pradesh chief minister Babulal Gaur took him to the house of a Muslim acquaintance where Sudarshan offered Eid greetings, enjoyed sewaiyan and was pleased, Rahmani wrote.

English and Hindi newspapers though dismissed it as a manifestation of memory loss.

In the article, "Why did they feel sad at his death?" Rahmani wrote, "It is not known how sad the Sangh Parivar felt at the demise of K S Sudarshan." But, the "Muslims, who on August 20 would have heard or read the news from Bhopal" must have been sad.

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[1] Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[2] 9-11 attack was also funded from India!!! | Page 4

[3] Jamaat-e-Islami praises ex-RSS chief K Sudarshan, mourns his death - Times of India

 

[Shaagird]

shaagird, you should write about the man in your profile-picture.

my Teacher Mulana Ishaq R.A. i learnt the spirit of Deen from Him R.a

(a). since we are talking about rejecting current and historical religious discord, we must also accept at the technological/intellectual/scientific contributions to world through the umayya empire

in umayya's time. not by the umayya's--mainly by Ajamis

i reject the concept of kings and emperors

kingship is haram in Islam ------the biggest shirk---- where one man stands and says that iam your lord

(b). again, since we are talking about rejecting reactionary ideology, we must also accept that iran government is also not in line with true islam.

Almost 99% of Muslim madrassas after the colonial period ended--- can be termed as some kind of Muslim churchess or synagogues--- nothing to do with Islam

secondly Iranian mullahs are just complimenting their power hungery najdi mullah counterparts ( Islamic popes). they have nothing to do with Shia Islam--i

Iranians or Hashemite Muslims in the saudi (living like Muslims in india---abuse Pakistan and only then you are going to be termed as a patriot) are mostly great, lively n humble people. ive never abused any nation especially HIJAZI , Turks N Iranians why should i?----- when they are my own kith n kin---- but i don't forgive the pshychopath govts justifying mass killings of innocents in the name of Religion

"zombies dino-mind production factory"

that's some wierd bidaaa--- i recently improvised

t i will not mind but encourage if the indian supreme court makes the indian military raid this mullah school and closes it and arrests all members and external supporters,

i wish Godspeed to indian S.C-- n military

though i say that older progressive religions like islam, christianity and sikhism must meld/fuse into a scientific political system in the immediate human future

Alliance fusion

you mention your conversation with the person with the newly born reminds me of this... before the modern poisoning started, many sunnis had no problem in using "ali" as their sons names... i don't know but the pakistani actor, ali zafar, might just be sunni... the late husband of my cousin ( a teacher herself ) in his school teachering days used to sing naats which included praises of hazrat ali... though there is great

that is what they want----they want to destroy or weaken Evey single Pure Thing which makes them a dwarf in front of the Muslims. And That is The AHL E BAIT R.A---
and these salfis are literally making everything Taboo Related to Them R.A by gradually feeding us this umayya b.s in
the name of
Namoos e Sihaba R.A---so they can justify their hierarchical yazeedi theocratic kingship

i will ask the reader to read my post[2] from november that speaks of the global effects of deoband and tableeghi jamaat... lastly, i will point to the collaboration and agreement[3] of the various offshoots of deoband with the hinduism reactionary movement, the sangh parivar... after all, they all stand against progressiveism...

they have even penetrated in the Turkish corridors of power in the name of sunni Islam

muammar gaddafi, the current imam of all muslims.

 

[illusion8]

99.9% non Muslim wouldn't know the difference between a sunni / Shia / ahmedi - let alone a jamaati / deobandi / salafi / takfiri / wahaabi etc.

It's upon Muslims themselves to rise in protest against these terrorist forming madrassahs and jamaats and get rid of them..

If the state takes action out of turn then the same Muslims and the seculars will protest against the freedom to practise and preach even if what they practise secularised what they preach is pure poison.

 

[jamahir]

in umayya's time. not by the umayya's--mainly by Ajamis

1. yeah, the umayyas themselves were administrators and not known ( at least in my limited knowledge ) to be philosophers or scientists or inventors.

2. the effects were of encouraging intellectuals not just of persian cultural background but others like ibh khaldun and moshe ben maimon otherwise known as maimonides.

kingship is haram in Islam ------the biggest shirk---- where one man stands and says that iam your lord

true.

and yet we have the sauds, the qatar emir and the brunei king claiming to be authority on islam... it is to be noted that these three are puppets of nato.

secondly Iranian mullahs are just complimenting their power hungery najdi mullah counterparts ( Islamic popes). they have nothing to do with Shia Islam--i

yes.

they have even penetrated in the Turkish corridors of power in the name of sunni Islam

and rather sad that most turkish members on pdf support erdogan and his akp ikhwaanis.

oh yes he is.

this[1] is gaddafi's encounter with the late saudi king, abdullah, in a "arab league" conference, where the saudi threatens gaddafi after gaddafi had spoken some truths... their second encounter[2] some years later has the same saudi king walk out and gaddafi affirming his position as the imam.

if muslims must have a leader, even a presumably dead one, i don't see any other unifying and non-sectarian ( anti-sectarian ) leader than gaddafi... but this would just be one of his positions... if there was any leader who could be called "president of the world" it would be him... or maybe he could have been the rightful uno general secretary instead of nato puppets like ban ki moon... in his 2009 uno general assembly speech[3] he did speak of the rightful reasons for having a transfer of the uno headquarters from new york to libya ( among a few other places )... this was one of the best speeches in the uno.


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[1] Saudi King Abdullah vs Gaddafi (with English subtitles) - YouTube

[2] Colonel Gaddafi owns Saudi King Abdullah! - YouTube

[3] Muammar Gaddafi Speech To United Nations. September 23, 2009 (Full) - YouTube

 

[AbRaj]

Very nice thoughts, let's raise voice against hatred, discrimination, injustice
Lets become humans

 

[jamahir]

If the state takes action out of turn then the same Muslims and the seculars will protest against the freedom to practise and preach even if what they practise secularised what they preach is pure poison.

as i said in my first post here, the indian state or supreme court must talk of ban of reactionary groups within all religions in equal measures... one cannot ban jamiat-ulema-e-hind or simi and keep rss and abvp in existence.

if equal bans are applied there is no reason the muslims or the seculars will protest.

 

[illusion8]

as i said in my first post here, the indian state or supreme court must talk of ban of reactionary groups within all religions in equal measures... one cannot ban jamiat-ulema-e-hind or simi and keep rss and abvp in existence.

if equal bans are applied there is no reason the muslims or the seculars will protest.

There you go with your usual rant..

Wash your backside first before bothering about others.

There are enough smart Hindus who know what to do with their own.

 

[Shaagird]

There you go with your usual rant..

Wash your backside first before bothering about others.

There are enough smart Hindus who know what to do with their own.

you want to carry on the ostrich practice?-- ok-fine

 

[jamahir]

There you go with your usual rant..

Wash your backside first before bothering about others.

There are enough smart Hindus who know what to do with their own.

o mian, that is such a rude, uncouth and like @Shaagird said, a ostrich response.

those smart hindus are being killed, suppressed and oppressed by the sangh... where is your support for progressive hindu-borns like the late narendra dhabolkar who was assassinated by the sangh??

i being a socialist, a internationalist, will bother about everyone in the world, okay?? and any sensible human has a right to talk of problems and solutions for anywhere in the world.

just because you use "accusatory" words like rant for me doesn't mean you become right... you come on a thread where muslims are condemning the reactionary elements within their community and you accuse us of "not washing our backsides"??

just like i wrote that detailed post about the tableeghis and just like how shaagird wrote the op, can we hope for you to create a thread listing the various groups in the sangh and their local and global activities??

 

[Post Colonnial]

Many muslims, especially many many of Pakistan, seem to sincerely believe that terrorism is an allowed means for spreading their religion. They take pride in the atrocities committed by muslims such demolition of temples, chucrhes and synogogues, forcing people to accept conversion, beheading those who don't accept, and much worse. ISIS is simply the latest example of this centuries old disease.

Unfortunately those muslims who seek their religion for peace and harmony do not have that much voice, rather their voices are drowned on purpose. That purpose varies from place to place. For example, the voice of the peaceful muslim is drowned by the military establishment's wanting control the economy of the country and they want to ensure that terrorism in the form of islamic extremism keeps growing so that the population can be kept enslaved. In Saudi Arabia, the monarchy wants to stay in absolute control and so they make sure that sunni and wahabi extremism does not abate. Then you look at countries like Brunei and some in Africa who have started using Sharia to hide behind and continue their atrocities.

You have to ask yourself: how can a religion that has a god at the center be source of such evil doing...the answer is clearly that most people who profess islam do so to simply perpetuate their selfish interests and evil lives.

The only way muslims can survive and save their islam from dying is to wake up to this fact and get louder against these evil leaders. For example pakistanis should march against their military, saudis against their kings and so on.

 

[haman10]

Such a great Opening Post.

One thing for sure if more people like u existed in Middle East, we'd have much more peaceful region

Not many enthusiasm in this thread is a reflection of the overall mentality that is ruling this forum and middle east in general

 

[gau8av]

99.9% non Muslim wouldn't know the difference between a sunni / Shia / ahmedi - let alone a jamaati / deobandi / salafi / takfiri / wahaabi etc.

It's upon Muslims themselves to rise in protest against these terrorist forming madrassahs and jamaats and get rid of them..

If the state takes action out of turn then the same Muslims and the seculars will protest against the freedom to practise and preach even if what they practise secularised what they preach is pure poison.

true, but here in India where the muslim population is indigenous and native since centuries, don't give me that 'invader' religion bull, we should be better able to clearly distinguish between the wahhabi/sallafi/deobandi extremists from the rest.

 

[Shaagird]

if more people like u existed in Middle East

they didn't even forgive The PROPHETS PEACE BE UPON ALL OF THEM----- who am i?

true, but here in India where the muslim population is indigenous and native since centuries, don't give me that 'invader' religion bull, we should be better able to clearly distinguish between the wahhabi/sallafi/deobandi extremists from the rest.

nailed it

folks, ajamis, especially the people of subcontinent are Muslims due to the HASHEMITE sufi- saints and their followers-both shia n sunni -- not because of umayyas n abaasi's unjust rule--this is the reason that after hundreds of years not only Muslims but Hindus ,Sikhs even Christians go to Their Shrines-- for what? to do shirk ? no way--- they all find peace of mind-- some sense of belonging--- in sir mastan khan,s way-- isn't that a million dollar question?
so-should i follow those learned saints who knew fiqah and TOHEED Better be it Jafferi R.A,Hanafi R.A------
or these dino-minds,
and to my deobandis cum salafists bros no matter how much loyalty you show towards those bedouins--- you are still going to be termed as ajami hindus-- no spoils of war--no wives- no nothing for you-----

 

[gau8av]

nailed it

yup, I have muslim friends and family, I don't need to be told that not all are terrorists lol

having said that, there are some ugly truths that need to be confronted too..

but sadly, with today's spoonfed msm discourse all we're left with to play with are the majorly flawed 'victim' and 'blame' cards.

all I personally have a "beef" with, are the radicals (and we spelt them out earlier)

50? 40? million whatever sallafists are not all bad and even if only maybe 15% or less join ISIS, qaeda/nusra, lashkars, taliban etc,


a 100% of them are apologists for them...