Enough with this negative, pessimistic thinking!

[villageidiot]

Is Pakistan Military the cause of a local shop keeper in Lahore scamming his neighbors?

It is the cause of the weak institutions and jungle law that we have, which leads directly to the aforementioned.

The whole society is rotten to the core. You name an evil and it not only exists but thrives in Pakistani society.


An average man in Pakistan lacks integrity, and that is a very hard pill to swallow.

You must believe people are inherently good outside of Pakistan and rule of law is not a factor in any society, don't you?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

You can always count on him to deliver, can't you?

My use of sarcasm, irony, and satire is not even clever. In fact, it’s very amateurish, however the fact that it still escapes Pakistanis is troubling.

 

[villageidiot]

My use of sarcasm, irony, and satire is not even clever. In fact, it’s very amateurish, however the fact that it still escapes Pakistanis is troubling.

Can't speak for others but for me, It's not the cleverness. It's the simplicity and incisiveness, sir ji.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

SC is a champion of law and order. Under whose pressure were they scrambling? Law or Jin Baba?

Who ordered iftikhar chaudhary to revolt against musharaf?
Who asked peshawar HC judge to sentence musharaf to death ?
Who has been opening cases against military incursion or dha ?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Can't speak for others but for me, It's not the cleverness. It's the simplicity and incisiveness, sir ji.

I don’t even get mad at people that naively misunderstand. People like @-blitzkrieg- make me upset when they are scrounging the bottom of the barrel to be an Army apologist.

He doesn’t have to like IK. But his whole logic of avoiding the elephant in the room and engaging in mudslinging when he himself knows better is by design nefarious.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

I don’t even get mad at people that naively misunderstand. People like @-blitzkrieg- make me upset when they are scrounging the bottom of the barrel to be an Army apologist.

He doesn’t have to like IK. But his whole logic of avoiding the elephant in the room and engaging in mudslinging when he himself knows better is by design nefarious.

I thought you would ask. To explain further. Pakistans institutions esp. Judiciary is at the mercy of its global fraternity . This is also how many global agencies Intrude our system.
Sure the local establishment also have their touts in play but only to counter that external influence .but the leverage comes and goes

 

[villageidiot]

I don’t even get mad at people that naively misunderstand. People like @-blitzkrieg- make me upset when they are scrounging the bottom of the barrel to be an Army apologist.

He doesn’t have to like IK. But his whole logic of avoiding the elephant in the room and engaging in mudslinging when he himself knows better is by design nefarious.

Exactly.

You don't have to like IK at all. My grandmother thinks he is 'bandar de munh aala'. But, trying to defend bajwa and nawaz etc, it's maddening.

To top it off, it feels very intentional. Unlike most polishyas, blitzkrieg is not dumb, imo. Just intellectually dishonest. Even Panzerkiel is sometimes leaving 'love' emojis on supposedly anti-army posts but I have yet to see this guy let anyone say a word against hazrat bajwa without jumping in and deflecting blame.

 

[SQ8]

Is Pakistan Military the cause of a local shop keeper in Lahore scamming his neighbors?

The whole society is rotten to the core. You name an evil and it not only exists but thrives in Pakistani society.

An average man in Pakistan lacks integrity, and that is a very hard pill to swallow.

So then why should the military be a holy cow?
As you rightly state - the entire culture and people are rotten and the military only reflects this more because they have the force to implement rottenness that suits them whenever.

Now that isn’t an implication that every military man is rotten nor the majority - but since the culture is rotten the output regardless of good people will generally be rotten.

Fix the overall culture of Pakistan and you will fix the military too.

 

[lightning F57]

Why are people so easy to trigger into this extremely pessimistic and negative attitude?

The affairs of a state caught in the middle of a massive storm, the ruling class of which has always rebelled against God, are not easy to handle.

So stay calm and don't be too negative.

The Pakistani armed forces have not betrayed the state.

Say that to the poor man on the street who was earning not much now this hyper inflation is wiping out what little he could afford to start with. The elite and the establishment has exacerbated the economic mess. Ranting on a forum wont do much, its the common poor man on the street that will suffer more and right now there is no way they can be helped, even IMF loans will do little.

 

[TheSolution]

No body brought them into power but Zia and Mushi. Gave them NROs and respective regions to loot and plunder. Who revived MQM in Karachi? and let all police officers killed by MQM assailants? who were involved in 92 ops?

Sure, the average Pakistani is criminal, corrupt etc. Whose responsibility is to keep them in check? to educate them? it is of the Govt.

Nonetheless, govt officers get perks, status and high salaries just because they mustn't do corruption, and so to serve the country better.

The joowz engineered IKs ouster, and engineered the economic crisis. Pakistan's governments are puppets and always have been. We are not independent.

And conveniently large amounts of weaponry was left behind in Afghanistan, our arch nemesis.

And coincidentally, Afghanistan is the single country in the world that forcefully refused the dictation by Amreka.

 

[Goenitz]

The joowz engineered IKs ouster, and engineered the economic crisis. Pakistan's governments are puppets and always have been. We are not independent.

And conveniently large amounts of weaponry was left behind in Afghanistan, our arch nemesis.

And coincidentally, Afghanistan is the single country in the world that forcefully refused the dictation by Amreka.

We created our own economic crisis. The lenders always want favourable terms, so there are no conspiracies but business interests. We put ourselves us in misery by borrowing more and earning less or spending lavishly.

Bro, they didn't have plans/transport for people when they were leaving. How could they carry all the weapons which they have dumped for years? yes, they could have blown them but they had fleeing to do with secrecy.

 

[TheSolution]

We created our own economic crisis. The lenders always want favourable terms, so there are no conspiracies but business interests. We put ourselves us in misery by borrowing more and earning less or spending lavishly.

Bro, they didn't have plans/transport for people when they were leaving. How could they carry all the weapons which they have dumped for years? yes, they could have blown them but they had fleeing to do with secrecy.

Your leaders were purposefully installed to do such a thing, corruption and incompetency was forcefully spread at a state level.

I'm sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist but this shit is true, and GHQ is also dictated by Washington controlled Joows.

I wouldn't be surprised if soon you end up surrendering your nukes, or if Amerika already has covert control over them.

 

[delta2]

So then why should the military be a holy cow?
As you rightly state - the entire culture and people are rotten and the military only reflects this more because they have the force to implement rottenness that suits them whenever.

Now that isn’t an implication that every military man is rotten nor the majority - but since the culture is rotten the output regardless of good people will generally be rotten.

Fix the overall culture of Pakistan and you will fix the military too.

The military is no holy cow, but without that presence daughters of Pakistan will be sold into brothels just like in Syria and Iraq.

You are caught up in tiny little details while much larger things are at stake here.

It is too much effort to explain things from a historical backdrop.

Besides, we get the leaders we deserve because of what we are.

Your leaders were purposefully installed to do such a thing, corruption and incompetency was forcefully spread at a state level.

I'm sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist but this shit is true, and GHQ is also dictated by Washington controlled Joows.

I wouldn't be surprised if soon you end up surrendering your nukes, or if Amerika already has covert control over them.

They already have control over that from the way I see things.

 

[delta2]

We created our own economic crisis. The lenders always want favourable terms, so there are no conspiracies but business interests. We put ourselves us in misery by borrowing more and earning less or spending lavishly.

Bro, they didn't have plans/transport for people when they were leaving. How could they carry all the weapons which they have dumped for years? yes, they could have blown them but they had fleeing to do

Say that to the poor man on the street who was earning not much now this hyper inflation is wiping out what little he could afford to start with. The elite and the establishment has exacerbated the economic mess. Ranting on a forum wont do much, its the common poor man on the street that will suffer more and right now there is no way they can be helped, even IMF loans will do little.

There are many countries in Latin America and Africa where the poor have even a harder life. But you will not see them sell their soul for a plate of biryani, or be blinded into multigenerational loyalty to some political mafiaso family.

The common man in Pakistan is such a degraded animal that no one's daughter is safe from him, not even his own from his best friends.


The Pakistani society reeks of pure evil. I have never seen such corruption at a common level anywhere else in the world.

We get the leaders we deserve, our leaders are corrupt because this is who we are.

 

[Goenitz]

There are many countries in Latin America and Africa where the poor have even a harder life. But you will not see them sell their soul for a plate of biryani, or be blinded into multigenerational loyalty to some political mafiaso family.

The common man in Pakistan is such a degraded animal that no one's daughter is safe from him, not even his own from his best friends.


The Pakistani society reeks of pure evil. I have never seen such corruption at a common level anywhere else in the world.

We get the leaders we deserve, our leaders are corrupt because this is who we are.

We never had fair elections after 71. Anyway, out of 220 million, a few can vote on Biryani. The majority selfishly vote for their caste or an MPA who can support them in job, courts, police stations etc. Guess what! we are still living in feudal/pride system of BC.

Yeah. Our daughters are just fine like Shazia Khalid. Naqeeb is fine. Shahzeb is fine. The woman who was shot at her face is fine.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=744671357187918

That is no excuse man. I have argued with similar minds like you here before. Do you think on judgement day we can escape accountability by blaming on Iblees?

Society may/may not force, compel, motivate etc but its you in the end who is responsible. So leaders are responsible no matter what values they have (corrupt or just).

We had the best people after the partition. More moral values and empathy. Then people in power brought crooks so they could support them in their dirty work. Whether in police, bureaucracy or politics. Crooks like NS and criminals like MQM. These people were corrupt and given power over nobles. Therefore, they created corruption, poverty, lawlessness, and extrajudicial acts for the public, in short, hell. Now, you are saying angels should come out of it. Hell offers khabees only.

Again, no matter who loads the gun but who fires matters.