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[Dalit]

England and Scotland went separate ways on Covid-19. It may lead to a full divorce

By Mick Krever, CNN
Updated 0944 GMT (1744 HKT) July 25, 2020

Edinburgh, Scotland (CNN)

When British Prime Minister Boris Johnson landed on Thursday in Orkney, an archipelago off Scotland's northern coast, he boldly proclaimed that the trip proved his commitment to a united nation.

"The Union is a fantastically strong institution -- it's helped our country through thick and thin," he said. "I think what people really want to do is see our whole country coming back strongly together, and that's what we're going to do."

Together, perhaps, but not with Scotland's leader. For his first trip to Scotland this year, Johnson chose a sparsely populated group of islands hundreds of miles from the seat of Scottish political power in Edinburgh; he did not meet with Scotland's top elected official, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

That may be for good reason. Though Scotland has suffered badly from Covid-19, Sturgeon's popularity has surged, largely as she has steered a more cautious approach out of the pandemic than her English counterparts. Support for Sturgeon's ultimate political goal, Scottish independence from England, is also on the up.

Johnson's personal ratings, meanwhile, have taken a hit, as the messaging around reopening south of the Scottish border has been more haphazard. His visit to Scotland was an attempt to regain some political capital north of Hadrian's Wall.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson holds a crab at Stromness Harbour, Orkney.

Divergent approach

One of the many lessons from the pandemic in the UK has been the starkly different governing styles of the country's political leaders.

Johnson, despite being educated at England's most elite establishments, has made a career of playing the klutzy everyman. It's a routine that works great for photo ops -- the infamous zipline mishap during the 2012 Olympics, as London mayor, was a highlight -- but perhaps not so well for global pandemics.



Masks rule goes into effect in England as Boris Johnson calls anti-vaxxers 'nuts'

Long before Johnson himself contracted Covid-19, he told a group of journalists with a mischievous smile that he had recently visited a hospital and "I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients, and I shook hands with everybody, you'll be pleased to know."

Johnson faced particular ridicule for confusing advice about reopening. He told Brits on May 10 that if they could not work from home, they should now be "actively encouraged to go to work" but that they should also "stay alert."
Sturgeon was not impressed. "I don't know what 'stay alert' means," Sturgeon said at the time, adding that she had asked the British government not to deploy that slogan in Scotland.

When Johnson's government introduced new rules that allowed residents to visit certain countries without quarantining on return, Sturgeon called the decision-making process "shambolic." Unlike Downing Street, she refused to allow unrestricted travel from Spain.

Nicola Sturgeon's tartan face mask has become a sartorial statement.

Another area of divergence has been over the issue of face coverings -- Sturgeon made them mandatory in shops here a full two weeks before Downing Street followed suit with a similar ordinance for England. Sturgeon's tartan face mask has become a sartorial signature.

Johnson has not resisted masks with the zeal of US President Donald Trump, but he is more often seen without a face covering, even indoors, than with one. His visit to Orkney drew a small protest; one man heckled, "Where's your mask, Boris?"

Perception of power

To an outsider (and in fact to many Brits), the division of power in the UK can be confusing. Boris Johnson is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but since the late 1990s, much power has been transferred to the UK's constituent nations -- a process known as devolution.

This means many policy decisions concerning health, education, and transportation for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are taken not in London, but in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast. It has not been unusual to see a grand policy announcement emanating from Downing Street, only to find a postscript explaining that the rule only applies to England.

"This is really the most significant time where devolution has been the most obvious to the ordinary citizens," the pro-independence pollster Mark Diffley said on a typically rainy summer day in Edinburgh.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon gives a coronavirus briefing n Edinburgh.
That perception is evident on the streets of Scotland's capital. "London is too choppy, too changing its mind all the time, can't make out what it wants to do," said Karen Miele, 58, from Edinburgh. "Does it want to help people? Does it want to put the economy first? Or does it just not care? Doesn't know what it's doing."

Andrew MacDonald, 21 from Linlithgow, said that his view of Sturgeon has "definitely gone up" over the course of the pandemic. "I think Nicola has done the right thing in trying to keep the politics out of it, and go with the science first and foremost throughout the whole thing," he said.

Despite this perceived divergence in approach, Covid-19 outcomes -- so far, at least -- have not been so dissimilar. In fact, the death rate in Scotland has only been slightly better than in England. For every 100,000 people, 77 in Scotland have died and had Covid-19 listed on their death certificate, versus 86 in England.
"There are important differences in the approach, and also important differences in the public perception of the approach," said Linda Bauld, professor of public health at the University of Edinburgh.

Boost for independence

The question for Sturgeon -- and the fear for Johnson -- is whether this positive regard for her stewardship of the pandemic will transfer into political support for the cause of Scottish independence, which remains the bedrock goal of her Scottish National Party.

The last time Scots formally voted on independence, in 2014, "no" won out by more than 10 percentage points. Much has since changed. In the 2015 UK general election, the SNP went from six seats at the House of Commons in Westminster to 56 -- taking all but three Scottish constituencies. Scots voted heavily against Brexit in 2016.

The renowned pollster John Curtice, of the University of Strathclyde, told the BBC on Thursday that support for independence has been surging for about and a year, and is now going up even among those Scots who voted for Brexit.

The latest polling, Diffley said, "would suggest that support for independence is higher than it has been for actually a really, really long time."

That's a problem for Johnson, leader of a party whose full name is the Conservative and Unionist Party. By visiting Scotland, Johnson hoped to underline the benefits to Scots of the 300-year-old union with England -- he was keen to point out that it was the Treasury in London that saved thousands of Scottish jobs with its generous furlough scheme, for example.
But Conservative prime ministers have historically enjoyed little support in Scotland, and Sturgeon joked on Twitter that Johnson's visit didn't do her any harm.

The SNP had promised a new referendum on independence before next year's Scottish parliamentary elections. That's now been put on hold, because of the pandemic.

Tommy Sheppard, an SNP MP for Edinburgh East, thinks independence is a "matter of time."

For SNP members of parliament like Tommy Sheppard, who represents Edinburgh East, it is only a matter of time. "Those who wish to see Scotland become an independent country welcome as many trips as possible by Boris Johnson to Scotland, because every time he sets foot in Scotland, support for independence increases," he said.

The pandemic response, he believes, has opened many skeptical Scottish eyes to the real differences between Scotland and England.

"They're aware of that in the way they never were before. And they are perhaps open to the possibility of what an independent Scotland could do if it had the political power to act."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/25/...geon-coronavirus-approach-gbr-intl/index.html

 

[Figaro]

Scottish independence is all but guaranteed after the Brexit vote ... it is not a matter of if but when. Before Brexit, Scotland had better economic benefit staying with Britain but now since it is out of EU, all that is gone.

 

[vi-va]

DIVIDE AND RULE.

 

[Dalit]

Scotland has been itching to depart the union. What about the Irish? Any chance of Northern Ireland divorcing Great Britain?

 

[khansaheeb]

Oh dear. I hope I won't need a passport to travel to Scotland from England.

 

[peagle]

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England and Scotland went separate ways on Covid-19. It may lead to a full divorce

By Mick Krever, CNN
Updated 0944 GMT (1744 HKT) July 25, 2020

Edinburgh, Scotland (CNN)

When British Prime Minister Boris Johnson landed on Thursday in Orkney, an archipelago off Scotland's northern coast, he boldly proclaimed that the trip proved his commitment to a united nation.

"The Union is a fantastically strong institution -- it's helped our country through thick and thin," he said. "I think what people really want to do is see our whole country coming back strongly together, and that's what we're going to do."

Together, perhaps, but not with Scotland's leader. For his first trip to Scotland this year, Johnson chose a sparsely populated group of islands hundreds of miles from the seat of Scottish political power in Edinburgh; he did not meet with Scotland's top elected official, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

That may be for good reason. Though Scotland has suffered badly from Covid-19, Sturgeon's popularity has surged, largely as she has steered a more cautious approach out of the pandemic than her English counterparts. Support for Sturgeon's ultimate political goal, Scottish independence from England, is also on the up.

Johnson's personal ratings, meanwhile, have taken a hit, as the messaging around reopening south of the Scottish border has been more haphazard. His visit to Scotland was an attempt to regain some political capital north of Hadrian's Wall.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson holds a crab at Stromness Harbour, Orkney.

Divergent approach

One of the many lessons from the pandemic in the UK has been the starkly different governing styles of the country's political leaders.

Johnson, despite being educated at England's most elite establishments, has made a career of playing the klutzy everyman. It's a routine that works great for photo ops -- the infamous zipline mishap during the 2012 Olympics, as London mayor, was a highlight -- but perhaps not so well for global pandemics.



Masks rule goes into effect in England as Boris Johnson calls anti-vaxxers 'nuts'

Long before Johnson himself contracted Covid-19, he told a group of journalists with a mischievous smile that he had recently visited a hospital and "I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients, and I shook hands with everybody, you'll be pleased to know."

Johnson faced particular ridicule for confusing advice about reopening. He told Brits on May 10 that if they could not work from home, they should now be "actively encouraged to go to work" but that they should also "stay alert."
Sturgeon was not impressed. "I don't know what 'stay alert' means," Sturgeon said at the time, adding that she had asked the British government not to deploy that slogan in Scotland.

When Johnson's government introduced new rules that allowed residents to visit certain countries without quarantining on return, Sturgeon called the decision-making process "shambolic." Unlike Downing Street, she refused to allow unrestricted travel from Spain.

Nicola Sturgeon's tartan face mask has become a sartorial statement.

Another area of divergence has been over the issue of face coverings -- Sturgeon made them mandatory in shops here a full two weeks before Downing Street followed suit with a similar ordinance for England. Sturgeon's tartan face mask has become a sartorial signature.

Johnson has not resisted masks with the zeal of US President Donald Trump, but he is more often seen without a face covering, even indoors, than with one. His visit to Orkney drew a small protest; one man heckled, "Where's your mask, Boris?"

Perception of power

To an outsider (and in fact to many Brits), the division of power in the UK can be confusing. Boris Johnson is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but since the late 1990s, much power has been transferred to the UK's constituent nations -- a process known as devolution.

This means many policy decisions concerning health, education, and transportation for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are taken not in London, but in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast. It has not been unusual to see a grand policy announcement emanating from Downing Street, only to find a postscript explaining that the rule only applies to England.

"This is really the most significant time where devolution has been the most obvious to the ordinary citizens," the pro-independence pollster Mark Diffley said on a typically rainy summer day in Edinburgh.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon gives a coronavirus briefing n Edinburgh.
That perception is evident on the streets of Scotland's capital. "London is too choppy, too changing its mind all the time, can't make out what it wants to do," said Karen Miele, 58, from Edinburgh. "Does it want to help people? Does it want to put the economy first? Or does it just not care? Doesn't know what it's doing."

Andrew MacDonald, 21 from Linlithgow, said that his view of Sturgeon has "definitely gone up" over the course of the pandemic. "I think Nicola has done the right thing in trying to keep the politics out of it, and go with the science first and foremost throughout the whole thing," he said.

Despite this perceived divergence in approach, Covid-19 outcomes -- so far, at least -- have not been so dissimilar. In fact, the death rate in Scotland has only been slightly better than in England. For every 100,000 people, 77 in Scotland have died and had Covid-19 listed on their death certificate, versus 86 in England.
"There are important differences in the approach, and also important differences in the public perception of the approach," said Linda Bauld, professor of public health at the University of Edinburgh.

Boost for independence

The question for Sturgeon -- and the fear for Johnson -- is whether this positive regard for her stewardship of the pandemic will transfer into political support for the cause of Scottish independence, which remains the bedrock goal of her Scottish National Party.

The last time Scots formally voted on independence, in 2014, "no" won out by more than 10 percentage points. Much has since changed. In the 2015 UK general election, the SNP went from six seats at the House of Commons in Westminster to 56 -- taking all but three Scottish constituencies. Scots voted heavily against Brexit in 2016.

The renowned pollster John Curtice, of the University of Strathclyde, told the BBC on Thursday that support for independence has been surging for about and a year, and is now going up even among those Scots who voted for Brexit.

The latest polling, Diffley said, "would suggest that support for independence is higher than it has been for actually a really, really long time."

That's a problem for Johnson, leader of a party whose full name is the Conservative and Unionist Party. By visiting Scotland, Johnson hoped to underline the benefits to Scots of the 300-year-old union with England -- he was keen to point out that it was the Treasury in London that saved thousands of Scottish jobs with its generous furlough scheme, for example.
But Conservative prime ministers have historically enjoyed little support in Scotland, and Sturgeon joked on Twitter that Johnson's visit didn't do her any harm.

The SNP had promised a new referendum on independence before next year's Scottish parliamentary elections. That's now been put on hold, because of the pandemic.

Tommy Sheppard, an SNP MP for Edinburgh East, thinks independence is a "matter of time."

For SNP members of parliament like Tommy Sheppard, who represents Edinburgh East, it is only a matter of time. "Those who wish to see Scotland become an independent country welcome as many trips as possible by Boris Johnson to Scotland, because every time he sets foot in Scotland, support for independence increases," he said.

The pandemic response, he believes, has opened many skeptical Scottish eyes to the real differences between Scotland and England.

"They're aware of that in the way they never were before. And they are perhaps open to the possibility of what an independent Scotland could do if it had the political power to act."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/25/...geon-coronavirus-approach-gbr-intl/index.html

Whatever happens, it speaks of the respect for true democratic norms, and not empty words, like other countries, such as India and its relationship with Kashmir.

I for one would be very sad if this separation was to happen, but we live in a modern world, where the lives of people are more important then where the border is drawn.

More than once the Scottish people have voted on the independence option, but they reject the demand in the ballot box, but the choice remains theirs to make.

 

[Verve]

It's only a matter of time ...

 

[waz]

There will be no split. Stats shows that due to Scotland's integration with the UK economy as whole, this helped it weather the storm of Covid. Had this not been the case i.e. they were independent, they would have gone into default. One of their main sources of income oil saw massive crashes, but with the English cushion the damage was offset.
The article is also poor on research and aside from pollsters, random folks on the street, it has input from the SNP, what about the other side of the argument CNN?
Every federation goes through rough patches. The bottom line is that polling is inaccurate (see Brexit, Hilary win), and for the nationalists to close a 10% i.e. what the gap between staying and leaving was, is exceptionally difficult. I know Scots, from both sides, and the strength is still for a union.

 

[OIO]

View attachment 654671

England and Scotland went separate ways on Covid-19. It may lead to a full divorce

By Mick Krever, CNN
Updated 0944 GMT (1744 HKT) July 25, 2020

Edinburgh, Scotland (CNN)

When British Prime Minister Boris Johnson landed on Thursday in Orkney, an archipelago off Scotland's northern coast, he boldly proclaimed that the trip proved his commitment to a united nation.

"The Union is a fantastically strong institution -- it's helped our country through thick and thin," he said. "I think what people really want to do is see our whole country coming back strongly together, and that's what we're going to do."

Together, perhaps, but not with Scotland's leader. For his first trip to Scotland this year, Johnson chose a sparsely populated group of islands hundreds of miles from the seat of Scottish political power in Edinburgh; he did not meet with Scotland's top elected official, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

That may be for good reason. Though Scotland has suffered badly from Covid-19, Sturgeon's popularity has surged, largely as she has steered a more cautious approach out of the pandemic than her English counterparts. Support for Sturgeon's ultimate political goal, Scottish independence from England, is also on the up.

Johnson's personal ratings, meanwhile, have taken a hit, as the messaging around reopening south of the Scottish border has been more haphazard. His visit to Scotland was an attempt to regain some political capital north of Hadrian's Wall.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson holds a crab at Stromness Harbour, Orkney.

Divergent approach

One of the many lessons from the pandemic in the UK has been the starkly different governing styles of the country's political leaders.

Johnson, despite being educated at England's most elite establishments, has made a career of playing the klutzy everyman. It's a routine that works great for photo ops -- the infamous zipline mishap during the 2012 Olympics, as London mayor, was a highlight -- but perhaps not so well for global pandemics.



Masks rule goes into effect in England as Boris Johnson calls anti-vaxxers 'nuts'

Long before Johnson himself contracted Covid-19, he told a group of journalists with a mischievous smile that he had recently visited a hospital and "I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients, and I shook hands with everybody, you'll be pleased to know."

Johnson faced particular ridicule for confusing advice about reopening. He told Brits on May 10 that if they could not work from home, they should now be "actively encouraged to go to work" but that they should also "stay alert."
Sturgeon was not impressed. "I don't know what 'stay alert' means," Sturgeon said at the time, adding that she had asked the British government not to deploy that slogan in Scotland.

When Johnson's government introduced new rules that allowed residents to visit certain countries without quarantining on return, Sturgeon called the decision-making process "shambolic." Unlike Downing Street, she refused to allow unrestricted travel from Spain.

Nicola Sturgeon's tartan face mask has become a sartorial statement.

Another area of divergence has been over the issue of face coverings -- Sturgeon made them mandatory in shops here a full two weeks before Downing Street followed suit with a similar ordinance for England. Sturgeon's tartan face mask has become a sartorial signature.

Johnson has not resisted masks with the zeal of US President Donald Trump, but he is more often seen without a face covering, even indoors, than with one. His visit to Orkney drew a small protest; one man heckled, "Where's your mask, Boris?"

Perception of power

To an outsider (and in fact to many Brits), the division of power in the UK can be confusing. Boris Johnson is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but since the late 1990s, much power has been transferred to the UK's constituent nations -- a process known as devolution.

This means many policy decisions concerning health, education, and transportation for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are taken not in London, but in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast. It has not been unusual to see a grand policy announcement emanating from Downing Street, only to find a postscript explaining that the rule only applies to England.

"This is really the most significant time where devolution has been the most obvious to the ordinary citizens," the pro-independence pollster Mark Diffley said on a typically rainy summer day in Edinburgh.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon gives a coronavirus briefing n Edinburgh.
That perception is evident on the streets of Scotland's capital. "London is too choppy, too changing its mind all the time, can't make out what it wants to do," said Karen Miele, 58, from Edinburgh. "Does it want to help people? Does it want to put the economy first? Or does it just not care? Doesn't know what it's doing."

Andrew MacDonald, 21 from Linlithgow, said that his view of Sturgeon has "definitely gone up" over the course of the pandemic. "I think Nicola has done the right thing in trying to keep the politics out of it, and go with the science first and foremost throughout the whole thing," he said.

Despite this perceived divergence in approach, Covid-19 outcomes -- so far, at least -- have not been so dissimilar. In fact, the death rate in Scotland has only been slightly better than in England. For every 100,000 people, 77 in Scotland have died and had Covid-19 listed on their death certificate, versus 86 in England.
"There are important differences in the approach, and also important differences in the public perception of the approach," said Linda Bauld, professor of public health at the University of Edinburgh.

Boost for independence

The question for Sturgeon -- and the fear for Johnson -- is whether this positive regard for her stewardship of the pandemic will transfer into political support for the cause of Scottish independence, which remains the bedrock goal of her Scottish National Party.

The last time Scots formally voted on independence, in 2014, "no" won out by more than 10 percentage points. Much has since changed. In the 2015 UK general election, the SNP went from six seats at the House of Commons in Westminster to 56 -- taking all but three Scottish constituencies. Scots voted heavily against Brexit in 2016.

The renowned pollster John Curtice, of the University of Strathclyde, told the BBC on Thursday that support for independence has been surging for about and a year, and is now going up even among those Scots who voted for Brexit.

The latest polling, Diffley said, "would suggest that support for independence is higher than it has been for actually a really, really long time."

That's a problem for Johnson, leader of a party whose full name is the Conservative and Unionist Party. By visiting Scotland, Johnson hoped to underline the benefits to Scots of the 300-year-old union with England -- he was keen to point out that it was the Treasury in London that saved thousands of Scottish jobs with its generous furlough scheme, for example.
But Conservative prime ministers have historically enjoyed little support in Scotland, and Sturgeon joked on Twitter that Johnson's visit didn't do her any harm.

The SNP had promised a new referendum on independence before next year's Scottish parliamentary elections. That's now been put on hold, because of the pandemic.

Tommy Sheppard, an SNP MP for Edinburgh East, thinks independence is a "matter of time."

For SNP members of parliament like Tommy Sheppard, who represents Edinburgh East, it is only a matter of time. "Those who wish to see Scotland become an independent country welcome as many trips as possible by Boris Johnson to Scotland, because every time he sets foot in Scotland, support for independence increases," he said.

The pandemic response, he believes, has opened many skeptical Scottish eyes to the real differences between Scotland and England.

"They're aware of that in the way they never were before. And they are perhaps open to the possibility of what an independent Scotland could do if it had the political power to act."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/25/...geon-coronavirus-approach-gbr-intl/index.html

Freedom!

 

[Jungibaaz]

Scottish independence is very likely, only a matter of time. The political divide is now too massive to be ignored. Scots overwhelmingly used to vote Labour, now for their own Scottish nationalists who are pro-independence. Meanwhile the rest of England and Wales overwhelmingly vote conservative, and they screwed Scotland on the EU. I think if Scots want independence, they'd better move fast. If they stay long enough for the UK to leave the EU and change the entire system to be out of sync with the EU, Scots will find it a challenge to join the EU and leave the UK. Even last time, the thing that really killed their independence movement was the question of whether they'd keep the pound sterling and monetary union with the UK, or join the Euro, neither of which seemed good options. Now they have to push hard and adopt the latter as formal policy or else their independence becomes harder.

 

[unrequitted_love_suzy]

not only Donald Trump is behind scottland but also the wider American comuunity are all pro-scottish

 

[Ali_Baba]

It is difficult to predict the future, buf if the Scots do decide to go their own way, people in England wont miss them at all. I will not. They are lazy, and add no value to the Union, and are a drain on Englands resources.

Whatever Empire the Scots wished to build on the back of oil is now gone. If they leave, there will be an economic migration from businesses from Scotland to England, as well as all the UK goverment jobs which will come south of the "border". Both will significantly drop their GDP for quite some time. Alot of goverment and civil service jobs of the UK are in Scotland, far more than should be for a civil service presence required there on the basis of population and economy. We will demand, and get those jobs back and the "subsidies" of their business by the goodwill that exists as part of being part of the Union will dry up.

You only have to look at the terms of Brexit, to see what the relationship between Scotland and England will look like, ie world-trade terms with a large debt profile to service in a foreign currency they have no control over.. Whatever acrimony that now exists between the EU and the UK will be maginified many fold in the divorce settlement between Scotland and, England...

If the Scots chose to led by some one whose only power and skill, is the power of "hindsight", then so be it. That is their choice.

The UK goverment has had to make serious serious decisions as part of the Coronvirus epidemic, the Scottish "goverment" has not. It has simply sat back and poked holes at the UK's strategy through the primism of hindsight and let the UK carry the can of the decisions.

The UK goverment has had every word, every action, and every mistake done under intense media scrutiny. The Scottish "media" have transformed themselves into a PR team for the SNP. Each "SNP" briefing has allowed to become a party political advert with the help of the Scottish media, rather than holding them to account which is meant to be their job..

The two are not comparable at any level.

If they do leave, i hope we build a big f-- off wall, with a sign saying "don't feed the wildlings north of the wall..." ...

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

It is difficult to predict the future, buf if the Scots do decide to go their own way, people in England wont miss them at all. I will not. They are lazy, and add no value to the Union, and are a drain on Englands resources.

Whatever Empire the Scots wished to build on the back of oil is now gone. If they leave, there will be an economic migration from businesses from Scotland to England, as well as all the UK goverment jobs which will come south of the "border". Both will significantly drop their GDP for quite some time. Alot of goverment and civil service jobs of the UK are in Scotland, far more than should be for a civil service presence required there on the basis of population and economy. We will demand, and get those jobs back and the "subsidies" of their business by the goodwill that exists as part of being part of the Union will dry up.

You only have to look at the terms of Brexit, to see what the relationship between Scotland and England will look like, ie world-trade terms with a large debt profile to service in a foreign currency they have no control over.. Whatever acrimony that now exists between the EU and the UK will be maginified many fold in the divorce settlement between Scotland and, England...

If the Scots chose to led by some one whose only power and skill, is the power of "hindsight", then so be it. That is their choice.

The UK goverment has had to make serious serious decisions as part of the Coronvirus epidemic, the Scottish "goverment" has not. It has simply sat back and poked holes at the UK's strategy through the primism of hindsight and let the UK carry the can of the decisions.

The UK goverment has had every word, every action, and every mistake done under intense media scrutiny. The Scottish "media" have transformed themselves into a PR team for the SNP. Each "SNP" briefing has allowed to become a party political advert with the help of the Scottish media, rather than holding them to account which is meant to be their job..

The two are not comparable at any level.

If they do leave, i hope we build a big f-- off wall, with a sign saying "don't feed the wildlings north of the wall..." ...

It doesnt matter what you think or want ..the point is. World will be a safer place after UK breaks.

 

[Imran Khan]

tiny UK need to be separated also ? ohh common man be unite

 

[Nefarious]

Not going to happen as Boris knowing well the outcome won't agree to another referendum.