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Emerging Turkish-French partnership

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In recent months, French President Emmanuel Macron took important steps in the international arena. Mr. Macron was a vocal critic of the Trump administration's controversial Jerusalem move and France has opposed Donald Trump's irresponsible Iran policy to earn the international community's respect.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to France last week established that, under Mr. Macron, France could replace the United States as Turkey's strategic partner in the Middle East and elsewhere.

The French government's recent actions in the international arena encouraged Turks to strengthen their cooperation with Paris on defense and civil aviation. Partly out of appreciation for France's technological accomplishments and political stance, Turkey picked Airbus over the company's American rivals Boeing and struck a deal with EUROSAM, a French-Italian joint venture.

This was a result of spoiled and reckless policymakers in Washington ought to follow closely. After all, any purchase of military equipment tends to promote closer political cooperation between countries. And it would appear that Turkey will seek new partners and strategic alliances as they lose confidence in the United States.

In recent months, France had been making a thinly-veiled effort to fill the power vacuum left behind by the United States. Most recently, the French president played an important role to keep Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri in power. Needless to say, Turkey and France could accomplish greater things in many parts of the world if they worked together.

To address the Syrian crisis, the French government should assume a more active role in the Astana process – with support from Turkey. At the same time, Mr. Macron could make a difference by answering Erdoğan's call on the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and the European Union to broker talks between Israel and Palestine.

Needless to say, it is important for Macron to distance himself from populist rhetoric and instead focus on real progress. If Paris wants to play a more active role in the region, it must be determined to address structural problems such as the rise of Islamophobia.

Turkey and France have been taking similar steps with regard to a range of crises. Moving forward, the two governments must develop a working relationship on three areas:

First, certain mechanisms must be put in place in order to ensure that Turkey and France can work together to address shared concerns. Reacting quickly to emerging crises and coordinating their response could go a long way.

Secondly, The growing economic partnership must be complemented with stronger engagement at the political and social levels. It is important to institutionalize and diversify the good relations between the two leaders.

Finally, Turkey's relationship with France should contribute to Turkish-EU relations. The French government must pay special attention to this issue, provided that Turkey's EU membership bid will remain relevant to bilateral relations.

Developing a stronger relationship with France, in turn, is good news for Turkey.

Turkey's rapprochement with France and Germany, along with its joint efforts with Russia to address regional problems and strengthening commercial and political ties with Iran, make the country more prominent in the international arena. This trend must continue.

Turkish foreign policy must continue to focus on diversifying the country's allies and remain multi-dimensional. It is a well-known fact that Turkey's one-sided partnership with the United States hurt Turkish interests and has effectively ended due to Washington's hostile behavior. Turkish politicians no longer need to walk the extra mile in order to strengthen Ankara's relationship with the United States. Turkey's domestic stability and mutually beneficial relations with other regional powers has diminished the country's importance for Washington.

https://www.dailysabah.com/editorial/2018/01/08/emerging-turkish-french-partnership
 
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Didnt Turkey also express interest in Patriot systems?

So far:
S-400
Patriot
Aster
Hisar O-U

I dont know what to think about this strategy, now only Chinese are left, oh wait now i remember we almost signed a deal with them for HQ-9. :cheesy:
 
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I'm not sure Patriot is really going to be ordered.

now only Chinese are left, oh wait now i remember we almost signed a deal with them for HQ-9.

We still might. It all depends on a new (attractive) price and tech-transfer. Currently Turkey completely lacks long-range air defense so systems coming in from multiple providers is probably a good thing.

Maybe this newfound close partnership between Turkey and France will also result in Turkey looking for a French engine solution for the Altay MBT or acquiring some Rafales as a stop-gap measure for retiring older F-16s until TFX is ready.

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Didnt Turkey also express interest in Patriot systems?

So far:
S-400
Patriot
Aster
Hisar O-U

I dont know what to think about this strategy, now only Chinese are left, oh wait now i remember we almost signed a deal with them for HQ-9. :cheesy:
More like Hisar family-S400-Aster 30 Block1TN and at last Turkish modified Aster 30 Block II. It would be good.
 
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More like Hisar family-S400-Aster 30 Block1TN and at last Turkish modified Aster 30 Block II. It would be good.

Yes, Kartal brother. If all these go as planned by 2023 Turkey will have a really kick-azz air defense system. Well layered, capable of intercepting ballistic missiles high up in the stratosphere and able to target all potential enemies in all directions.
 
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There is no friendship between Turkey and France and, quite frankly, I don't want any friendship with France. We should maintain a reliable and good business relationship - that is all I demand from the Turkish gov't. Apart from my personal stance on this topic, please take into account that every party in France is criticizing Macron's Turkey policy and the recent deals with us.

In addition, we already purchased Boeing airplanes last year for 11 b USD: https://www.dailysabah.com/business...nes-orders-40-dreamliner-aircraft-from-boeing
 
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Brother, nobody's talking about "friendship". There's no such thing as friendship in international relations. There can only be partnerships, alignment of interests and business. We signed business deals with France. Bilegimizi kesip kan kardesi olmadik yani adamlarla. :)
 
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Brother, nobody's talking about "friendship". There's no such thing as friendship in international relations. There can only be partnerships, alignment of interests and business. We signed business deals with France. Bilegimizi kesip kan kardesi olmadik yani adamlarla. :)
Sorry! I misread the title...
 
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But your point is still valid. Having a pragmatic relation with Europe is our best bet, also at certain areas being patriotic.

Buying engine is and has never been a viable solution. And once we no longer buy engine from EU they'll play the genocide card. (remember that hey keep pulling it out every year or at every election).

What we need is to stabilize our economy and kill that darn inflation. RTE and AKP overspending to "buy" partnership isn't viable IMO.

We're expecting a budget deficit that's twice as big as it was in 2016 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-parliament-approves-2018-budget-124629 :(
 
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Temel Kotil The CEO of TAİ once said in a spech "bmc got very good engineers for the company and i believe bmc can handle production of tank engines"

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Unfortunately french MBT engines are Finnish Wartsila licenced. Rafale could be interesting.

No, they are not, mate!
Wärtsilä France is a separate entity exactly for
the reason of allowing export without problem.

What's more, the engine tech comes from SACM,
an Alsatian company they acquired and the tech
covering the turbo is from Turbomeca now Safran.

So the V8X-1500 is still available.

As for the OP, thanks to Obama's M-E attitude and
now the Donald whom we can expect to trace a FP
line as wavering as a drunkard's path, there's free
lunch to be had. Let's see how everyone involved
manages to avoid major deal breakers however.

Some policies can grow to stifle pragmatism.

Have a great day, Tay.
 
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