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These hippies too... @flamer84
@mike2000 @Abingdonboy @Steve781 What's your opinion on Trident ?

Thousands of protesters have taken part in a rally in Glasgow, calling for Britain's Trident nuclear weapons programme to be scrapped.

The protest was organised by the Scrap Trident coalition, as the focus on the general election campaign trail in Scotland turned to nuclear weapons.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon addressed the rally in George Square.

Patrick Harvie of the Scottish Greens and Labour election candidate Katy Clark also spoke.

A police estimate suggested about 2,500 people attended the rally, while organisers said the figure was closer to 4,000.

The Bairns Not Bombs demonstration is the first of three against the nuclear weapons in the run-up to the general election.

The Clyde-based submarines that carry Trident are due to reach the end of their operational lives within the next decade.

However, the UK government has yet to make a final decision on their replacement.

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The UK government has yet to make a final decision on Trident's replacement


Ms Sturgeon told the rally: "One of the biggest decisions that MPs will take in the next parliament is whether to waste £100bn on renewing these morally obscene weapons.

"Broken down, that will be around £3bn a year, peaking at an eye-watering £4bn in the 2020s.

"We all know that Trident is morally unjustifiable, but at a time when the Westminster parties are all committed to forcing yet more austerity on us after the election, Trident is economically indefensible.

"Just think of what could be achieved with this money for the NHS, education or other public services - not just in Scotland, but across the UK."

'Nation of peace'
Scottish Greens co-convener Patrick Harvie told the crowd: "There's a wave of anger up and down Scotland and throughout these islands at the idea of cutting billions from the budget that support the most vulnerable people in society, while spending even more billions on a new generation of weapons of mass destruction.

"Your job over the coming weeks is to make sure people hear the alternative voice.

"You need to take the message out day after day, to friends, family, your colleagues, your neighbours, make sure they bring the issue of Trident to the top of the political agenda when they decide how they will cast their vote.

"Let's convince everybody in this country to vote no to Trident."

'Global agreement'
Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy argued that the SNP approach did not make sense.

He said: "We want a world free of nuclear weapons. We don't want them just out of one country and the way we do that is by negotiating with the French, the Russians, the Chinese, the Americans and all the other nuclear nations so we have a global agreement against nuclear weapons.

"I don't think it makes sense when India and Pakistan are facing off against a nuclear divide, when Iran is trying to get a nuclear bomb, when North Korea is trying to get a nuclear bomb, for us to give up unilaterally.

"Let's make the world free of nuclear weapons by negotiating them away together."

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie said: "Liberal Democrats favour nuclear disarmament and want to do so together with other countries in multilateral talks.

"In government we delayed the renewal of the Trident submarines so alternatives could be investigated thoroughly.

"We now favour cutting the number of submarines from four to three. That will save money whilst maintaining our deterrence."

'Political tool'
Scottish Conservative deputy leader Jackson Carlaw said: "It's time to talk up Trident.

"Faslane employs tho‎usands of people in the west of Scotland.

"Those opposed to it would happily see these people out of a job without a second thought for the consequences.

"The SNP's faux opposition to it is purely a political tool to appeal to the left of its membership."

Election 2015: Thousands attend anti-Trident rally in Glasgow - BBC News
 
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These hippies too... @flamer84
@mike2000 @Abingdonboy @Steve781 What's your opinion on Trident ?

Thousands of protesters have taken part in a rally in Glasgow, calling for Britain's Trident nuclear weapons programme to be scrapped.

The protest was organised by the Scrap Trident coalition, as the focus on the general election campaign trail in Scotland turned to nuclear weapons.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon addressed the rally in George Square.

Patrick Harvie of the Scottish Greens and Labour election candidate Katy Clark also spoke.

A police estimate suggested about 2,500 people attended the rally, while organisers said the figure was closer to 4,000.

The Bairns Not Bombs demonstration is the first of three against the nuclear weapons in the run-up to the general election.

The Clyde-based submarines that carry Trident are due to reach the end of their operational lives within the next decade.

However, the UK government has yet to make a final decision on their replacement.

_82025583__80579364_025462781-1.jpg


The UK government has yet to make a final decision on Trident's replacement


Ms Sturgeon told the rally: "One of the biggest decisions that MPs will take in the next parliament is whether to waste £100bn on renewing these morally obscene weapons.

"Broken down, that will be around £3bn a year, peaking at an eye-watering £4bn in the 2020s.

"We all know that Trident is morally unjustifiable, but at a time when the Westminster parties are all committed to forcing yet more austerity on us after the election, Trident is economically indefensible.

"Just think of what could be achieved with this money for the NHS, education or other public services - not just in Scotland, but across the UK."

'Nation of peace'
Scottish Greens co-convener Patrick Harvie told the crowd: "There's a wave of anger up and down Scotland and throughout these islands at the idea of cutting billions from the budget that support the most vulnerable people in society, while spending even more billions on a new generation of weapons of mass destruction.

"Your job over the coming weeks is to make sure people hear the alternative voice.

"You need to take the message out day after day, to friends, family, your colleagues, your neighbours, make sure they bring the issue of Trident to the top of the political agenda when they decide how they will cast their vote.

"Let's convince everybody in this country to vote no to Trident."

'Global agreement'
Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy argued that the SNP approach did not make sense.

He said: "We want a world free of nuclear weapons. We don't want them just out of one country and the way we do that is by negotiating with the French, the Russians, the Chinese, the Americans and all the other nuclear nations so we have a global agreement against nuclear weapons.

"I don't think it makes sense when India and Pakistan are facing off against a nuclear divide, when Iran is trying to get a nuclear bomb, when North Korea is trying to get a nuclear bomb, for us to give up unilaterally.

"Let's make the world free of nuclear weapons by negotiating them away together."

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie said: "Liberal Democrats favour nuclear disarmament and want to do so together with other countries in multilateral talks.

"In government we delayed the renewal of the Trident submarines so alternatives could be investigated thoroughly.

"We now favour cutting the number of submarines from four to three. That will save money whilst maintaining our deterrence."

'Political tool'
Scottish Conservative deputy leader Jackson Carlaw said: "It's time to talk up Trident.

"Faslane employs tho‎usands of people in the west of Scotland.

"Those opposed to it would happily see these people out of a job without a second thought for the consequences.

"The SNP's faux opposition to it is purely a political tool to appeal to the left of its membership."

Election 2015: Thousands attend anti-Trident rally in Glasgow - BBC News
I'm not one to protest against Trident on ethical grounds ( of course global disarmament would be ideal in a utopian world) however I don't think Trident should be protected and renewed at the cost of the conventional forces however this is EXACTLY what is happening thanks to the politicians- Army is being cut, no MPA, MBT force cut, fighter jet Sqns cut etc etc.
 
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Idiots...

Let's see China,Russia,India,Pakistan,Israel let go of their nukes if the UK does it.:hitwall:

"Just think of what could be achieved with this money for the NHS, education or other public services - not just in Scotland, but across the UK."

When will these traitorous clowns understand that the society they live in rests on those Tridents,on those Armed Forces that they despise so much ? It's not about being agressive,it's about keeping the true agressive ones out and by looking at weapons spending around the Globe,pretty much everyone else besides Europeans are acting agressive.Add to this the fact that most of those pretty much hate Western Europe and you've got a really,really bad time to embrace "peace".

Am i the only one seeing Russian tanks in Ukraine and cranky imams urging for the conquering of Rome ?
 
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Idiots...

Let's see China,Russia,India,Pakistan,Israel let go of their nukes if the UK does it.:hitwall:



When will these traitorous clowns understand that the society they live in rests on those Tridents,on those Armed Forces that they despise so much ? It's not about being agressive,it's about keeping the true agressive ones out and by looking at weapons spending around the Globe,pretty much everyone else besides Europeans are acting agressive.Add to this the fact that most of those pretty much hate Western Europe and you've got a really,really bad time to embrace "peace".

Am i the only one seeing Russian tanks in Ukraine and cranky imams urging for the conquering of Rome ?

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Peace and love.. lol.


It will make much more sense not to cut funds from the Armed Forces altogether.

Actually,some Eurpean countries are waking up,Germany decided to increase their military budgets,other little European countries are increasing it,and it seems that we're also following this way...
On March 11, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian unveiled an updated version of the Military Programming Law for 2014-2019, a five-year blueprint for the country’s force structure and defense budget that will be debated in Parliament in June. As part of the revised law, previous plans to reduce the armed forces have been walked back, with the government announcing new investment to meet persistent threats at home and abroad.
We will see in June what will happen.... Some news said that the cuts will be stopped,the ground forces will be increased by 11.000 in 3 years,and the reserve force of the ground forces will be increased from ~28.000 to ~40.000,the helicopter fleet will be increased and others.... let's wait and see as i said.
And there are countries that are still decreasing their military budget and forces....because Uncle sam is here,why should they spend 1€ on their defence ?
 
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Yes....yes get rid of the Trident so that we can annex the UK in return for 200 years of colonialism ! :sarcastic:

@hinduguy - Do you want London or can I keep it ? :azn:

And mate can we give Northern Ireland to Ireland 'cause I've got my eye on a certain pro-unification lass from Dublin ! :ashamed:

Jokes aside: Maybe reducing nukes instead of eliminating nukes altogether could be the way forward because having just a handful of nukes ought to be enough to provide minimum credible deterrence. Its not as if the UK has any threat to face anyhow.
 
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Peace and love.. lol.




Actually,some Eurpean countries are waking up,Germany decided to increase their military budgets,other little European countries are increasing it,and it seems that we're also following this way...
On March 11, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian unveiled an updated version of the Military Programming Law for 2014-2019, a five-year blueprint for the country’s force structure and defense budget that will be debated in Parliament in June. As part of the revised law, previous plans to reduce the armed forces have been walked back, with the government announcing new investment to meet persistent threats at home and abroad.
We will see in June what will happen.... Some news said that the cuts will be stopped,the ground forces will be increased by 11.000 in 3 years,and the reserve force of the ground forces will be increased from ~28.000 to ~40.000,the helicopter fleet will be increased and others.... let's wait and see as i said.
And there are countries that are still decreasing their military budget and forces....because Uncle sam is here,why should they spend 1€ on their defence ?

I wish it were true my friend but as for Germany i'm telling you from the start that it's a well covered lie.Yes,they did vote to increase their budget with about 8 billion euros for the next five years (until 2019),but here's the catch: this is a fix amount that doesn't even cover inflation or the increase of their economy.So,according to decent calculations of GDP increase the money for Defence by 2019 will be 1.13% of GDP instead of the current 1.2%.A real growth would have been if they would have raised the percentage ,say 1.4% instead of today's 1.2%.

As for relying on the US,well i see it every day in here ..."US this,US that,our partners" etc.We should realise that the US is a country situated an ocean away from us which,with all the alliances in the world,in the end.......it simply ain't us !
 
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I wish it were true my friend but as for Germany i'm telling you from the start that it's a well covered lie.Yes,they did vote to increase their budget with about 8 billion euros for the next five years (until 2019),but here's the catch: this is a fix amount that doesn't even cover inflation or the eincrease of their economy.So,according to decent calculations of GDP increase the money for Defence by 2019 will be 1.13% of GDP instead of the current 1.2%.A real growth would have been if they would have raised the percentage ,say 1.4% instead of today's 1.2%.

As for relying on the US,well i see it every day in here ..."US this,US that,our partners" etc.We should realise that the US is a country situated an ocean away from us which,with all the alliances in the world,in the end.......it simply ain't us !
I would make a rule that every country which spends less than 2 percent of GDP should be expelled from NATO. That would only leave the US, UK, France, Turkey, Estonia, Poland and Greece.
 
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I would make a rule that every country which spends less than 2 percent of GDP should be expelled from NATO. That would only leave the US, UK, France, Turkey, Estonia, Poland and Greece.


It should be such a rule ! Those that can will stay,those who don't ,get booted.I'm all for it.

3% should be the minimum though.
 
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I would make a rule that every country which spends less than 2 percent of GDP should be expelled from NATO. That would only leave the US, UK, France, Turkey, Estonia, Poland and Greece.

We actually spend ~1.5% of our GDP for our defence... o_O
It will leave only 6 countries out of 28 lol.
I miss the cold war era...
 
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Am I the only one who support compulsory military service in Britain? I did air cadetting a years ago and it builds up discipline and the sense of beinf part of a country which is absent in conventional education in the UK.
 
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Am I the only one who supports compulsa military service in Britain? I did air cadetting a years ago and it builds up discipline and the sense of beinf part of a country which is absent in conventional education in the UK.
National service was introduced in the days when we had an empire to defend. Not much point in it today. Plus many teenagers are either so fat or so skinny that they couldn't keep up.
 
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Am I the only one who support compulsory military service in Britain? I did air cadetting a years ago and it builds up discipline and the sense of beinf part of a country which is absent in conventional education in the UK.


Nope,i also support conscription.A 12 months military service should be applied to all males.It pays to have a large part of your population know at least something about war if shit hits the fan.Plus,it will do alot of good to many in this lazy generation.
 
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