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@Slav Defence @WAJsal Sirs, here is my submission:




EIGHT GOOD PEOPLE.

A suggested way forward for Pakistan, with three short term and three long term goals clearly identified, has been previously presented : Where to go from here? . Since that short article was written, the Army has taken clear and effective steps to go after all terrorists without discrimination, and their supporting mechanisms, whether they be political or financial. Importantly, it has also begun paying attention to creating a credible narrative to counter the terrorist's propaganda, thereby fulfilling the three short term steps suggested. There is also some evidence to suggest that three longer term suggested goals of going after armed militias maintained by political parties, and countering and reducing the suffocating and overbearing imposition of radical interpretations of religion over public life and in the military are being worked upon, slowly, but surely.

Given these very encouraging trends, it is perhaps a good time to look forward to identify broader goals for the entire nation and how they can be implemented stepwise. Obviously, many details will be left out in the interests of brevity, but the overall framework should be sound enough to be discussed for implementation.

Over the past decades, Pakistan has continued to struggle against quite adverse odds to take its rightful place in the region and internationally due to its internal turmoil in defining mechanisms of governance and power sharing between critical institutions of the state, including the military. Rather than reiterate the causes and problems of how Pakistan go to be where it is, it is far more important to decide where to go next, now that we are indeed where we are: a broken government, a non-functioning justice system, a hopelessly inept political class and an over-stretched military, all overlaid on rising social misery and widespread corruption that permeates all levels. Indeed, this list of failures is enough to give ample cause for many to say that solutions do not exist, but there is no other choice. These problems must be resolved, if Pakistan is to begin to rise to its potential, finally, three-quarters of a century after independence.

The never-ending tussle over power between the civil and military centers of power must be stopped. Given the realities on the ground, Constitutional idealism, desireable as it is, must give way to a working power sharing agreement, with the military's role in formulating foreign and defence policies formalized by assigning the relevant portfolios to two senior Generals. The civilian side must be limited to only these ministries: Finance, Interior, Commerce, and Social Services. That is it, a total of seven portfolios, plus the Prime Minister (there is no miscount, one more will be described later). Doing this is important for a number of reasons, the most important being creating the correct impression that no one is operating illegally or regard themselves as being above the law. Such a change at the top will take time to establish at the lower levels of both government and society, but has untold benefits in the long run by establishing the rule of law. Also, the concept of legalizing what has been shown to work rather than pining after unattainable idealism is important to realize for everyone. In the same vein, the issues with the judicial system can wait until the time for the present arrangement of military courts is drawing to a close in about a year and a half, given that the most pressing need for convicting and sentencing of terrorists can be dealt with effectively until then.

Given the multitude of other problems, made worse by a ever rising population with rapid urbanization, there is one key element that underwrites the solutions to all of them: Energy. Every other problem can be mitigated effectively if and only if there is an ample supply of reliable and plentiful energy supplies of all kinds. Given how far Pakistan is lagging behind in this crucial area, and all the adverse effects thereof, this must be assigned on a war footing to the military. It is the only working institution that remains capable of dealing with the many issues plaguing this vital sector, from corrupt power deals, to unreliable distribution and rampant theft.

Radical? Yes. Workable? Absolutely. All Pakistan needs is eight good people (four civilian, three military), one each responsible for the Finance, Interior, Commerce, Social Services, Foreign, Defense and Energy ministries, led by a Prime Minister. Call it whatever you like, democratic, technocratic, unity, hybrid, bizarre, travesty, but think about it as the only viable way left to Pakistan if it is to flourish, not merely survive, in the 21st century in an evermore competitive global village.

Eight good people. In a nation of over 200 million, is that too much to ask and hope for?
 
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The never-ending tussle over power between the civil and military centers of power must be stopped. Given the realities on the ground, Constitutional idealism, desireable as it is, must give way to a working power sharing agreement, with the military's role in formulating foreign and defence policies formalized by assigning the relevant portfolios to two senior Generals. The civilian side must be limited to only these ministries: Finance, Interior, Commerce, and Social Services. That is it, a total of seven portfolios, plus the Prime Minister (there is no miscount, one more will be described later). Doing this is important for a number of reasons, the most important being creating the correct impression that no one is operating illegally or regard themselves as being above the law. Such a change at the top will take time to establish at the lower levels of both government and society, but has untold benefits in the long run by establishing the rule of law. Also, the concept of legalizing what has been shown to work rather than pining after unattainable idealism is important to realize for everyone. In the same vein, the issues with the judicial system can wait until the time for the present arrangement of military courts is drawing to a close in about a year and a half, given that the most pressing need for convicting and sentencing of terrorists can be dealt with effectively until then.
Don't you think current, newly found system can also work? it is quite clear that desperation for power within the army is no longer there, as in army wants democratic system to work. I personally believe that trend within the army isn't supported anymore(that could be wrong). Army should have a say, but giving it power, as in ministries-no please, that would only make things complicated.

We need a change in our political system: which will fix many things. Things will look quite different once operation Zarb-e-azb is completed.
 
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Don't you think current, newly found system can also work? it is quite clear that desperation for power within the army is no longer there, as in army wants democratic system to work. I personally believe that trend within the army isn't supported anymore(that could be wrong). Army should have a say, but giving it power, as in ministries-no please, that would only make things complicated.

We need a change in our political system: which will fix many things. Things will look quite different once operation Zarb-e-azb is completed.

The present system works, but not very well let us be honest. The basic problem is that the de facto authority is not the de jure authority, and that creates grave issues in the long run, one of which is the sense of lawlessness that permeates from the very top to the very bottom of the national psyche. The solution is what I have proposed, with the Army's role legalized, and given those responsibilities that it has a record of doing rather well, and the civilian role encouraged in areas that should remain its domain. With roles clearly defined, and legalized, there is no need for strength-sapping struggles or conspiracies or coups, and teamwork which is needed to develop the nation can finally develop. A uniquely Pakistani system for Pakistan, that is all.
 
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Don't you think current, newly found system can also work? it is quite clear that desperation for power within the army is no longer there, as in army wants democratic system to work. I personally believe that trend within the army isn't supported anymore(that could be wrong). Army should have a say, but giving it power, as in ministries-no please, that would only make things complicated.

We need a change in our political system: which will fix many things. Things will look quite different once operation Zarb-e-azb is completed.
Ironically his article nowhere discussed the importance of bringing political reforms, introducing real democracy. Where first step is holding fair elections where not even a single vote is rigged and the person who wins the seat gets to rule.

If we Pakistanis call ourselves a democratic state ,then this is the first thing we need to work on. Assigning ministeries to military is a sign of state's failure , and only short term solution and very bizzare.


@Jungibaaz what do u think?? You would favor military taking control of energy ministeries? Idont think so, corruption will be found in both the political as well as military elites.
 
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@Slav Defence @WAJsal Sirs, here is my submission:




EIGHT GOOD PEOPLE.

A suggested way forward for Pakistan, with three short term and three long term goals clearly identified, has been previously presented : Where to go from here? . Since that short article was written, the Army has taken clear and effective steps to go after all terrorists without discrimination, and their supporting mechanisms, whether they be political or financial. Importantly, it has also begun paying attention to creating a credible narrative to counter the terrorist's propaganda, thereby fulfilling the three short term steps suggested. There is also some evidence to suggest that three longer term suggested goals of going after armed militias maintained by political parties, and countering and reducing the suffocating and overbearing imposition of radical interpretations of religion over public life and in the military are being worked upon, slowly, but surely.

Given these very encouraging trends, it is perhaps a good time to look forward to identify broader goals for the entire nation and how they can be implemented stepwise. Obviously, many details will be left out in the interests of brevity, but the overall framework should be sound enough to be discussed for implementation.

Over the past decades, Pakistan has continued to struggle against quite adverse odds to take its rightful place in the region and internationally due to its internal turmoil in defining mechanisms of governance and power sharing between critical institutions of the state, including the military. Rather than reiterate the causes and problems of how Pakistan go to be where it is, it is far more important to decide where to go next, now that we are indeed where we are: a broken government, a non-functioning justice system, a hopelessly inept political class and an over-stretched military, all overlaid on rising social misery and widespread corruption that permeates all levels. Indeed, this list of failures is enough to give ample cause for many to say that solutions do not exist, but there is no other choice. These problems must be resolved, if Pakistan is to begin to rise to its potential, finally, three-quarters of a century after independence.

The never-ending tussle over power between the civil and military centers of power must be stopped. Given the realities on the ground, Constitutional idealism, desireable as it is, must give way to a working power sharing agreement, with the military's role in formulating foreign and defence policies formalized by assigning the relevant portfolios to two senior Generals. The civilian side must be limited to only these ministries: Finance, Interior, Commerce, and Social Services. That is it, a total of seven portfolios, plus the Prime Minister (there is no miscount, one more will be described later). Doing this is important for a number of reasons, the most important being creating the correct impression that no one is operating illegally or regard themselves as being above the law. Such a change at the top will take time to establish at the lower levels of both government and society, but has untold benefits in the long run by establishing the rule of law. Also, the concept of legalizing what has been shown to work rather than pining after unattainable idealism is important to realize for everyone. In the same vein, the issues with the judicial system can wait until the time for the present arrangement of military courts is drawing to a close in about a year and a half, given that the most pressing need for convicting and sentencing of terrorists can be dealt with effectively until then.

Given the multitude of other problems, made worse by a ever rising population with rapid urbanization, there is one key element that underwrites the solutions to all of them: Energy. Every other problem can be mitigated effectively if and only if there is an ample supply of reliable and plentiful energy supplies of all kinds. Given how far Pakistan is lagging behind in this crucial area, and all the adverse effects thereof, this must be assigned on a war footing to the military. It is the only working institution that remains capable of dealing with the many issues plaguing this vital sector, from corrupt power deals, to unreliable distribution and rampant theft.

Radical? Yes. Workable? Absolutely. All Pakistan needs is eight good people (four civilian, three military), one each responsible for the Finance, Interior, Commerce, Social Services, Foreign, Defense and Energy ministries, led by a Prime Minister. Call it whatever you like, democratic, technocratic, unity, hybrid, bizarre, travesty, but think about it as the only viable way left to Pakistan if it is to flourish, not merely survive, in the 21st century in an evermore competitive global village.

Eight good people. In a nation of over 200 million, is that too much to ask and hope for?
A good article of what is needed....How about steps of how to select these people? Like

How to elect from the educated and not from the relatives/ friends?
How to get over the popularity factor over credentials?
How to overlook tradition over deserving?
How to try something new over "tried and tested failure"?

Just few questions that came to me from reading this......
 
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Don't you think current, newly found system can also work? it is quite clear that desperation for power within the army is no longer there, as in army wants democratic system to work. I personally believe that trend within the army isn't supported anymore(that could be wrong). Army should have a say, but giving it power, as in ministries-no please, that would only make things complicated.

We need a change in our political system: which will fix many things. Things will look quite different once operation Zarb-e-azb is completed.

To clarify this post:

The present system works, but not very well let us be honest. The basic problem is that the de facto authority is not the de jure authority, and that creates grave issues in the long run, one of which is the sense of lawlessness that permeates from the very top to the very bottom of the national psyche. The solution is what I have proposed, with the Army's role legalized, and given those responsibilities that it has a record of doing rather well, and the civilian role encouraged in areas that should remain its domain. With roles clearly defined, and legalized, there is no need for strength-sapping struggles or conspiracies or coups, and teamwork which is needed to develop the nation can finally develop. A uniquely Pakistani system for Pakistan, that is all.

The point of the article is that the de facto system that exists in Pakistan today needs to be codified and given the legitimate de juris backing it needs to develop into a properly working system for Pakistan. The rest will follow in due course. It needs to be understood that idealism in support of democracy or the military needs to be seen through the lens of reality to temper into something that can actually be useful for Pakistan.
 
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It also means Pakistan accepts what world specially our neighbor has been saying about us, I believe if we go open and accept a governing role for military, whatever little progress we have made on our pending disputes with others will go down the drain, this would also imply that the world remains confused about us whether we are a democracy or a dictatorship. If and really if we want this, may be we will have to introduce some courses at very basic level in PMA and than some at advanced stages in military schools. My brief opinion if I have interpreted the article correctly.
 
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It also means Pakistan accepts what world specially our neighbor has been saying about us, I believe if we go open and accept a governing role for military, whatever little progress we have made on our pending disputes with others will go down the drain, this would also imply that the world remains confused about us whether we are a democracy or a dictatorship. If and really if we want this, may be we will have to introduce some courses at very basic level in PMA and than some at advanced stages in military schools. My brief opinion if I have interpreted the article correctly.

Don't you think it is high time that Pakistan stops worrying about what the rest of the world thinks and develop its own ways of governing that work best to serve Pakistan? The article suggests one possible way forward, that is all.
 
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The present system works, but not very well let us be honest. The basic problem is that the de facto authority is not the de jure authority, and that creates grave issues in the long run, one of which is the sense of lawlessness that permeates from the very top to the very bottom of the national psyche. The solution is what I have proposed, with the Army's role legalized, and given those responsibilities that it has a record of doing rather well, and the civilian role encouraged in areas that should remain its domain. With roles clearly defined, and legalized, there is no need for strength-sapping struggles or conspiracies or coups, and teamwork which is needed to develop the nation can finally develop. A uniquely Pakistani system for Pakistan, that is all.
Not feasible, reasons being: politicians will never accept the system; it's just not realistic, how do you suppose it will be legalized? through a coup? System you are proposing is deemed to fail. Now increasing the powers to some extent, say advising governments in different matter(for now army advises on foreign policies) might work. Handling the power to the army is just not a solution, will only create further problems.
The never-ending tussle over power between the civil and military centers of power must be stopped.
It is ending.....
It also means Pakistan accepts what world specially our neighbor has been saying about us, I believe if we go open and accept a governing role for military, whatever little progress we have made on our pending disputes with others will go down the drain, this would also imply that the world remains confused about us whether we are a democracy or a dictatorship. If and really if we want this, may be we will have to introduce some courses at very basic level in PMA and than some at advanced stages in military schools. My brief opinion if I have interpreted the article correctly.
Well said.
 
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Don't you think it is high time that Pakistan stops worrying about what the rest of the world thinks and develop its own ways of governing that work best to serve Pakistan? The article suggests one possible way forward, that is all.

No not until the world stops worrying about us and stop the false propaganda against us and realise that we have been bearing lot of burden for their misadventures. I believe with interference at such huge scales Pakistan cannot stop worrying about what rest of the world thinks about her.
 
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No not until the world stops worrying about us and stop the false propaganda against us and realise that we have been bearing lot of burden for their misadventures. I believe with interference at such huge scales Pakistan cannot stop worrying about what rest of the world thinks about her.

Of course Pakistan needs to worry about its perception on the world stage, but that can come only after setting its own house in order. First things first, Sir.
 
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Of course Pakistan needs to worry about its perception on the world stage, but that can come only after setting its own house in order. First things first, Sir.

Sir its the perception that I worry about after following your model, as I said it will add to the confusion that whether Pakistan a democracy or a Dictatorship, and what makes you feel comfortable that this won't send a wrong message to the world? Considering world these days is very sensitive to democracy.
 
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Sir its the perception that I worry about after following your model, as I said it will add to the confusion that whether Pakistan a democracy or a Dictatorship, and what makes you feel comfortable that this won't send a wrong message to the world? Considering world these days is very sensitive to democracy.

Labels and perceptions are not as important as rule of law and legal backing. Jhoot key paaon nahin hotay.
 
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Labels and perceptions are not as important as rule of law and legal backing. Jhoot key paaon nahin hotay.

Pakistan Army is not meant to participate in politics and governance, it already took them a considerable time period to rebuild their image I don't think they would be willing to make their institution a disputed one domestically and internationally, its not their job and they are not built for it, if they were Musharraf would not have seen the down fall (courtesy Chaudhry bradran).

Sachai chup nahi sakti banawat kay asoolon say
Khushboo a nahi sakti kaghaz kay phoolon say
 
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