Egyptian Revolution: Nine years since protests ousted President Hosni Mubarak

[Ansu fati]

Whatever... you are resorting to usual pdf blame game and pulling MBS in every subject.
All world acknowledge that Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen are destroyed by the people loyal to Khumenisim.

Brother i am nationalist turk who is interested in Turkey(azerbaijan)-related developments
I am no fan at all of iranian sectarian politics(khomenism) but I don’t like wahabism as well actually if you ask both of these ideologies should be destroyed as quickly as possible but these sick sectarian politics are meant to be kept alive by foreigners so that muslim world continues to be in chaos/turmoil

 

[denel]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sisi came to power, after the Saudis and the UAE bribed him to come to sabotage and overthrow the Qatar/Turkey friendly civilian government.

Egypt's economy is extremely weak, its facing more violence now than it has in the past. Corruption has increased dramatically, and political prisoners fill Egyptian jail cells.

Once Sisi is dead, he'll be remembered as a tyrant and a monstrous dog.

Stop pretending you know more than you actually do.

Absolutely 100% on the mark. When you have a country where there is nothing but nothing that can be done without having partnership with a patron from the junta; that tells you the state of deep rot. Try to even setup a food processing plant, you will go no where in 3 years and just pay 'bribes'/fees etc etc. When there is an entire set of industries from cereal to parts etc where all the juntas officials go to retire and govern. Even cement production is in their hands - really - it shakes one head to see the level these people are controlling.

 

[That Guy]

Holy shit, this isthe stupidest thing I've read all week.

If you want to learn some thing simply ask.. if you want to debate than don't try to win by discrediting my credentials, which non of you officials come close too.... may be you shall tell us how are you better connected to Egypt? While, there's undeniable evidence that Qatar has been funding the terrorists linked with banned organizations, Erdogan lost elections in Istanbul, explains he's getting un-popular due to his policies of ruining Turkey's foreign relations. I personally went to Turkey to talk with people, and listen to their PoV. I heard people calling Erdogan corrupt based on his connections with Qatar... specially those days the gift of Boeing was hot topic.

First of, discredit you? Nah, you're doing that yourself, by saying clearly ignorant things.

It doesn't matter what you've heard, what matters is the truth. What does it matter if Erdogan is corrupt or not, your precious saudis aren't saints, they're also corrupt as hell. The very idea of monarchy is the theft of money from the peasantry to fuel the ruler's lifestyle, that's how monarchies work.

It doesn't matter if Erdogan is popular or unpopular in Turkey we're talking about Egypt.

The fact that you're bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the topic at hand proves just how little you actually know. This is an absolutely moronic statement on your point.

You can go to every single country in the world, but your point would still be worthless.

Nor does your opinion on Qatar matter, for those exact reasons.

Unrest in Egypt was part of grand evil plan aka Arab spring, by grace of God, Egypt fared it well. If Egyptian masses had any love for Moorsi, current regime would not survive a day.

You have no idea how revolutions work, you moron.

Revolutions only work if the powers that be allow it, here is a basic understanding on how government and revolution work....

The powers that be are not the government, in places like Egypt. It's the military, it's the industrialists, the religious leaders, and it's the corrupt public figures like Muhammad ElBaradei, all of whom helped the military take over.

The fact that you think the arab spring was evil shows that you still think authoritarian dictatorships are a good thing, which isnt surprising, considering you have a hard time comprehending facts, and admitting when you're wrong.

To correct you further,

There is nothing to correct me on, if anything, you need to fact check, before spouting such nonsense BS.

people of Libya and Iraq very much miss their so called tyrant rulers.

No they do not, stop talking out of your ***.

While, Imran Khan is remembered as a worst of the dogs, though he claims to be a democrat,....

No he isn't, you moron. He's still the most popular politician in Pakistan.

And he IS a Democrat.

see being tyrant is a nature of an individual person, not some magical wand which turns all state functionaries and officials to become tyrant over night. Hoping, you understand, state functions by it's bureaucracy, who are individuals and handle tasks according to their personal capacity and mood.

Sisi literally killed hundreds at a peaceful protest, you idiot. That's tyrannical.

If bureaucrats are letting their own personal feelings and mood dictate when and how to run their department, then they should fucking quit.

Only a emotional fool let's his emotions play a role in statecraft. What is needed is hard facts, and reasonal solutions, not emotionally grandmas,.

Last but not least, anyone from Egypt should come forward and tell us there opinion on Moorsi's links with terror organizations.

This loaded opinion of yours is so moronic, its mind boggling.

But honestly, it doesn't matter if every single egyptian hates Morsi and loves Sisi, the truth is the truth. Neither you, nor anyone else can change that.

But you won't actually read and understand a single word I've written, because that's not in you to admit when you're wrong.

Instead, you're gonna double down, as you always have.

Now that I've corrected you, to summarize;

Sisi is a murderous tyrant, puppet to the Saudis.

Morsi was the legitimate President, who was sabotaged and overthrown by Sisi.

And once again, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about

@jaibi

 

[denel]

Holy shit, this isthe stupidest thing I've read all week.



First of, discredit you? Nah, you're doing that yourself, by saying clearly ignorant things.

It doesn't matter what you've heard, what matters is the truth. What does it matter if Erdogan is corrupt or not, your precious saudis aren't saints, they're also corrupt as hell. The very idea of monarchy is the theft of money from the peasantry to fuel the ruler's lifestyle, that's how monarchies work.

It doesn't matter if Erdogan is popular or unpopular in Turkey we're talking about Egypt.

The fact that you're bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the topic at hand proves just how little you actually know. This is an absolutely moronic statement on your point.

You can go to every single country in the world, but your point would still be worthless.

Nor does your opinion on Qatar matter, for those exact reasons.



You have no idea how revolutions work, you moron.

Revolutions only work if the powers that be allow it, here is a basic understanding on how government and revolution work....

The powers that be are not the government, in places like Egypt. It's the military, it's the industrialists, the religious leaders, and it's the corrupt public figures like Muhammad ElBaradei, all of whom helped the military take over.

The fact that you think the arab spring was evil shows that you still think authoritarian dictatorships are a good thing, which isnt surprising, considering you have a hard time comprehending facts, and admitting when you're wrong.


There is nothing to correct me on, if anything, you need to fact check, before spouting such nonsense BS.


No they do not, stop talking out of your ***.



No he isn't, you moron. He's still the most popular politician in Pakistan.

And he IS a Democrat.


Sisi literally killed hundreds at a peaceful protest, you idiot. That's tyrannical.

If bureaucrats are letting their own personal feelings and mood dictate when and how to run their department, then they should fucking quit.

Only a emotional fool let's his emotions play a role in statecraft. What is needed is hard facts, and reasonal solutions, not emotionally grandmas,.


This loaded opinion of yours is so moronic, its mind boggling.

But honestly, it doesn't matter if every single egyptian hates Morsi and loves Sisi, the truth is the truth. Neither you, nor anyone else can change that.

But you won't actually read and understand a single word I've written, because that's not in you to admit when you're wrong.

Instead, you're gonna double down, as you always have.

Now that I've corrected you, to summarize;

Sisi is a murderous tyrant, puppet to the Saudis.

Morsi was the legitimate President, who was sabotaged and overthrown by Sisi.

And once again, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about

@jaibi

Let us not forget... Morsi was deliberately murdered by Sisi and his goons - the so called bastions of Egypt.

 

[BATMAN]

Holy shit, this isthe stupidest thing I've read all week.

First of, discredit you? Nah, you're doing that yourself, by saying clearly ignorant things.

It doesn't matter what you've heard, what matters is the truth. What does it matter if Erdogan is corrupt or not, your precious saudis aren't saints, they're also corrupt as hell. The very idea of monarchy is the theft of money from the peasantry to fuel the ruler's lifestyle, that's how monarchies work.

It doesn't matter if Erdogan is popular or unpopular in Turkey we're talking about Egypt.

The fact that you're bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the topic at hand proves just how little you actually know. This is an absolutely moronic statement on your point.

You can go to every single country in the world, but your point would still be worthless.

Nor does your opinion on Qatar matter, for those exact reasons.



You have no idea how revolutions work, you moron.

Revolutions only work if the powers that be allow it, here is a basic understanding on how government and revolution work....

The fact that you think the arab spring was evil shows that you still think authoritarian dictatorships are a good thing, which isnt surprising, considering you have a hard time comprehending facts, and admitting when you're wrong.


There is nothing to correct me on, if anything, you need to fact check, before spouting such nonsense BS.


No they do not, stop talking out of your ***.



No he isn't, you moron. He's still the most popular politician in Pakistan.

And he IS a Democrat.


Sisi literally killed hundreds at a peaceful protest, you idiot. That's tyrannical.

If bureaucrats are letting their own personal feelings and mood dictate when and how to run their department, then they should fucking quit.

Only a emotional fool let's his emotions play a role in statecraft. What is needed is hard facts, and reasonal solutions, not emotionally grandmas,.


This loaded opinion of yours is so moronic, its mind boggling.

But honestly, it doesn't matter if every single egyptian hates Morsi and loves Sisi, the truth is the truth. Neither you, nor anyone else can change that.

But you won't actually read and understand a single word I've written, because that's not in you to admit when you're wrong.

Instead, you're gonna double down, as you always have.

Now that I've corrected you, to summarize;

Sisi is a murderous tyrant, puppet to the Saudis.

Morsi was the legitimate President, who was sabotaged and overthrown by Sisi.

And once again, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about

@jaibi

@WebMaster.... personal attacks by the officials are nothing new. I know, they will not stop getting personal, calling names and you are notified from time to time.
I waited for mod. action before quoting you.

@That Guy
You can afford to be abusive with keyboard, neither this is your first time and neither you are the worst here!

You don't have to believe me but your objections to the facts... tells us you are living in some virtual world.

Don't troll and focus on the core issue. MBS - Sisi relationship is secondary issue.

1-Egypt Economy, see your self:

2- Sisi helping Egypt recovering from state of destabilization:
This is an undeniable fact as well.
The event's that followed after take over of Morsi /Brotherhood were non less than civil war.
Where Muslim Brotherhood tried to become Hizbulla of Egypt. They resorted to Killings, violent street parades etc. effectively, paralyzing their own govt., situation remained like this for over 1 year.
Brotherhood cleansed Egyptian army of supposedly Mubarik friends. Eventually, Sisi came atop.
Considering the regional situation, any general would and should do the same what Sisi did (example of Pakistan is there), no where MBS had any share in events that lead to the emergency imposed by Sisi.
All the Saudi fears, i could guess were linked to a destabilized Egypt, which would lead to millions of refugees.
Where again Saudis had to pay billions. So they helped Egypt with aid, nothing unusual, calling it bribe is loaded propaganda, which only your comrades would agree to. Calling MBS /Sisi a dog is not convincing enough!

No one said Saudi society is evil less, can be every imaginable crime going on, but only unless police come to know if it. Again that's way off context. which is Egypt before and after Sisi.

 

[MaRv]

many ppl dont know anything about whats going on in egypt
if el sisi was a bad president we will kick him out like mubarak and morsi
but no he's different man

here a few about what happening in egypt in the past few years

new cities​

-Galala City

-new alamein city

-new Ismailia

-the new capital

there's also ( new portsaid - new mansoura - new suez - new aswan ..etc )

​

 

[BATMAN]

Let us not forget... Morsi was deliberately murdered by Sisi and his goons - the so called bastions of Egypt.

How can you say that?
Morsi was trialed by Egyptian courts and all world saw the killings, Brotherhood carried out!

 

[MaRv]

new roads projects
(more than 6000 KM during 2014 to 2018)
​

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Electricity
(Egypt was suffering from power outages since 2009 to 2014
but now egypt added more than 30GW to The National Electricity Network) ​

the world's three largest power plants ( Beni Suef - the new capital city - Al-Burlus )

the largest solar station in the world

the largest wind station in the world

 

[MaRv]

4 tunnels under suez canal
​

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million and a half acres​

-------------------
a huge fish farms​

-------------------
million heads of live stock​

as i said before its just a small part of what happening in egypt right now
just w8 a few years and you will see a tottaly different egypt
'' sorry for my bad english ''​

 

[BATMAN]

many ppl dont know anything about whats going on in egypt
if el sisi was a bad president we will remove him like mubarak and morsi
but no he's different man

@That Guy
Exactly this i stated in my first argument, now an educated and open minded Egyptian is seconding me!

I wonder, what pdf have lost in Egypt!

 

[BATMAN]

@That Guy
Did you know Sisi is the elected President of Egypt and you call him dog!
Why you hate him so much, without even talking to a single Egyptian.. or may i say not even knowing a bit about ground realities?
What do you have to say about all the developments posted by @MaRv That's totally shows Sisi as nationalist instead of an ill wisher of his own country, as you claimed fought about!

 

[Oublious]

@WebMaster.... personal attacks by the officials are nothing new. I know, they will not stop getting personal, calling names and you are notified from time to time.
I waited for mod. action before quoting you.

@That Guy
You can afford to be abusive with keyboard, neither this is your first time and neither you are the worst here!

You don't have to believe me but your objections to the facts... tells us you are living in some virtual world.

Don't troll and focus on the core issue. MBS - Sisi relationship is secondary issue.

1-Egypt Economy, see your self:
View attachment 601743

2- Sisi helping Egypt recovering from state of destabilization:
This is an undeniable fact as well.
The event's that followed after take over of Morsi /Brotherhood were non less than civil war.
Where Muslim Brotherhood tried to become Hizbulla of Egypt. They resorted to Killings, violent street parades etc. effectively, paralyzing their own govt., situation remained like this for over 1 year.
Brotherhood cleansed Egyptian army of supposedly Mubarik friends. Eventually, Sisi came atop.
Considering the regional situation, any general would and should do the same what Sisi did (example of Pakistan is there), no where MBS had any share in events that lead to the emergency imposed by Sisi.
All the Saudi fears, i could guess were linked to a destabilized Egypt, which would lead to millions of refugees.
Where again Saudis had to pay billions. So they helped Egypt with aid, nothing unusual, calling it bribe is loaded propaganda, which only your comrades would agree to. Calling MBS /Sisi a dog is not convincing enough!

No one said Saudi society is evil less, can be every imaginable crime going on, but only unless police come to know if it. Again that's way off context. which is Egypt before and after Sisi.

You are a funny guy, if the GCC didn't gived money ther would be nothing to tell about sisi. What sisi did asked for money from KSA and other thugs. They didn't give Moorsi money and you are comparing monkey with a donkey.

In return to that sisi gived island to ksa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40278568


https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-31301903


Sisi did not much if you analyze fair. But you are not fair.

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan had good relations with Egypt, during the rule of Musharraf.
Egyptian investors invested billions but later Zardari kicked out all Arabs investors from Pakistan.

You are a funny guy, if the GCC didn't gived money ther would be nothing to tell about sisi. What sisi did asked for money from KSA and other thugs. They didn't give Moorsi money and you are comparing monkey with a donkey.

In return to that sisi gived island to ksa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40278568


https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-31301903


Sisi did not much if you analyze fair. But you are not fair.

Don't tell me if i'm funny or not.... just point where i stated there was no Saudi aid received by Egypt?
Did i not said, aid was smart choice instead of hosting millions refugees.
What Sisi did matters most, what is on ground and comes out of the mouth of Egyptians.
It's all peace and calm in Egypt, on governance of Sisi.

 

[That Guy]

So, since I know you'll just ignore everything I say, and cherry pick. This is more to benefit everyone else who's reading.

It's clear you're cherry picking data to suit your interests, and ignoring context as well.

@WebMaster.... personal attacks by the officials are nothing new. I know, they will not stop getting personal, calling names and you are notified from time to time.
I waited for mod. action before quoting you.

@That Guy
You can afford to be abusive with keyboard, neither this is your first time and neither you are the worst here!

I only spoke the truth, you can call it whatever you want.

Your comments are ignorant and moronic.

You don't have to believe me but your objections to the facts... tells us you are living in some virtual world.

My objection is to you, not facts, and you very clear are outright lying or misleading with your comments.

Don't troll and focus on the core issue. MBS - Sisi relationship is secondary issue.

You're the one who made relationships a big deal, and YOU call ME a troll?

1-Egypt Economy, see your self:
View attachment 601743

MISLEADING! He's been in power since 2013, and it is ONLY NOW that Egypt is recovering.

Look at all of the statistics, not the piece meal that you used to give a misleading figure.

https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/egypt?year=2015

The economy nearly collapsed when he commit his coup. Not only that, it's nowhere near the level it used to be.

He created an artificial problem, and is now solving it. It's like breaking a chair on purpose, and expecting praise when you try and fix it yourself.

Do you want to know WHY Egypt is stabilizing? The Saudis are pumping billions into egypt. Not to mention needlessly borrowing from the IMF.

$12 billion from the IMF

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-grow-59-in-year-to-end-of-june-idUSKBN1WU1TG

With another program on the way.

Not to mention saudi and use money....

https://www.ft.com/content/9daa783e-2079-11e8-a895-1ba1f72c2c11

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1259251/saudi-arabia

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...-UAE-ready-20bn-boost-for-Egypts-El-Sisi.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-and-uae-ready-20bn-boost-egypts-sisi

https://www.euronews.com/2019/11/14...cial-economic-projects-abu-dhabi-crown-prince

The economy is collapsing, not booming. The only ones who are profiting are the rich and the investors, who don't give a damn about the common man...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/06/0...its-collapsing-imf-abdel-fattah-sisi-poverty/

https://www.economist.com/middle-ea...y-thrills-investors-but-locals-are-struggling

Conclusion, this is an artificial growth.

Wages are stagnant, and the cost of living has increased dramatically.

2- Sisi helping Egypt recovering from state of destabilization:
This is an undeniable fact as well.

A situation HE CREATED WHEN HE COMMIT THE COUP, AND SABOTAGED THE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT!

You break it, you fix it. You don't deserve praise for doing the expected thing.

The event's that followed after take over of Morsi /Brotherhood were non less than civil war.
Where Muslim Brotherhood tried to become Hizbulla of Egypt. They resorted to Killings, violent street parades etc. effectively, paralyzing their own govt., situation remained like this for over 1 year.
Brotherhood cleansed Egyptian army of supposedly Mubarik friends. Eventually, Sisi came atop.

Except for sisi coming to power, none of that is true. It was orchestrated by the military, by sisi.

Considering the regional situation, any general would and should do the same what Sisi did (example of Pakistan is there), no where MBS had any share in events that lead to the emergency imposed by Sisi.

And the generals who did it in Pakistan were stupid.

Sisi did it, because the military didn't want to let go of power.

The SAUDIS OFFERED TENS OF BILLIONS TO SISI TO TAKE OVER.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...-UAE-ready-20bn-boost-for-Egypts-El-Sisi.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-and-uae-ready-20bn-boost-egypts-sisi

https://www.euronews.com/2019/11/14...cial-economic-projects-abu-dhabi-crown-prince

All the Saudi fears, i could guess were linked to a destabilized Egypt, which would lead to millions of refugees.
Where again Saudis had to pay billions. So they helped Egypt with aid, nothing unusual, calling it bribe is loaded propaganda, which only your comrades would agree to. Calling MBS /Sisi a dog is not convincing enough!

Saudia and Egypt don't share a land border, what are you talking about?

Not to mention, Qatar was offering tens of billions before that to Egypt. If you're right, then what happened to that deal? Oh right, that money wasn't going to the army, it was going to the egyptian people.

It was a bribe, and youre naive if you believe otherwise.

Sisi IS a dog.

No one said Saudi society is evil less, can be every imaginable crime going on, but only unless police come to know if it. Again that's way off context. which is Egypt before and after Sisi.

You're the one who brought up Erdogan and his alleged evils, effectively trying to change the subject. Trying to discredit my argument, by using strawman arguments.

You clearly know nothing. You cherry pick data, and ignore the context.

Just stop.

 

[denel]

So, since I know you'll just ignore everything I say, and cherry pick. This is more to benefit everyone else who's reading.



I only spoke the truth, you can call it whatever you want.

Your comments are ignorant and moronic.



My objection is to you, not facts.



You're the one who made relationships a big deal, and YOU call ME a troll?



MISLEADING! He's been in power since 2013, and it is ONLY NOW that Egypt is recovering.

Look at these statistics, not the piece metal that you used to give a misleading figure.

https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/egypt?year=2015

The economy nearly collapsed when he commit his coup. Not only that, it's nowhere near the level it used to be.

Do you want to know WHY Egypt is stabilizing? The Saudis are pumping billions into egypt. Not to mention needlessly borrowing from the IMF.

$12 billion from the IMF

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-grow-59-in-year-to-end-of-june-idUSKBN1WU1TG

With another program on the way.

Not to mention saudi and use money....

https://www.ft.com/content/9daa783e-2079-11e8-a895-1ba1f72c2c11

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1259251/saudi-arabia

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...-UAE-ready-20bn-boost-for-Egypts-El-Sisi.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-and-uae-ready-20bn-boost-egypts-sisi

https://www.euronews.com/2019/11/14...cial-economic-projects-abu-dhabi-crown-prince

The economy is collapsing, not booming. The only ones who are profiting are the rich and the investors, who don't give a damn about the common man...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/06/0...its-collapsing-imf-abdel-fattah-sisi-poverty/

https://www.economist.com/middle-ea...y-thrills-investors-but-locals-are-struggling

Conclusion, this is an artificial growth.

Wages are stagnant, and the cost of living has increased dramatically.


A situation HE CREATED WHEN HE COMMIT THE COUP, AND SABOTAGED THE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT!

You break it, you fix it. You don't deserve praise for doing the expected thing.



Except for sisi coming to power, none of that is true. It was orchestrated by the military, by sisi.


And the generals who did it in Pakistan were stupid.

Sisi did it, because the military didn't want to let go of power.

The SAUDIS OFFERED TENS OF BILLIONS TO SISI TO TAKE OVER.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...-UAE-ready-20bn-boost-for-Egypts-El-Sisi.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-and-uae-ready-20bn-boost-egypts-sisi

https://www.euronews.com/2019/11/14...cial-economic-projects-abu-dhabi-crown-prince



Saudia and Egypt don't share a land border, what are you talking about?

Not to mention, Qatar was offering tens of billions before that to Egypt. If you're right, then what happened to that deal? Oh right, that money wasn't going to the army, it was going to the egyptian people.

It was a bribe, and youre naive if you believe otherwise.

Sisi IS a dog.


You're the one who brought up Erdogan and his alleged evils, effectively trying to change the subject. Trying to discredit my argument, by using strawman arguments.

You clearly know nothing. You cherry pick data, and ignore the context.

Just stop.

All that growth is just fueled by KSA dollars; once that dries up there is nothing. Having travelled from the South of Egypt right up to the North and across to see the Suez; just travel 200km south and all the way down to Sudanese border, you will see the true Egypt or even go to the west side and see million plus living in the graveyard cemetries. All these grandeous fantasies they feel to the masses yet they are hungry for food. Sisi is building a big palace - what for?
Friend dont waste time argueworth arguing with ignorant fools who feel a person wearing a uniform knows all; we all know they just have a dodo brain or peanut for thought. Alas in Egypt, the other fellow does not know how to read or see how even poor Morsi was deliberately set to be the party who wins then to be planned to fail. With these tyrants, on Egypt will continue to suffer and it will do so like it has for centuries