Egyptian Armed Forces

[Taygibay]

doesn't take into account for the Officer or NCO going down. The only two radio trained soldiers in a platoon of thirty plus.

Frogman mate, could you expound on that?

I don't see how the CO and NCO would not
assure the formation of the radio carrier man
nor do I get how few radios are used.

Minimum back in the 80s was for my teams
on the squad to each have a radio on top of
my own. Theirs ranged low to join me while
mine could reach the Platoon leader far away.

Please, Tay.

P.S. YVW Mo45, all the best.

 

[Gomig-21]

 

[The SC]

It is nice to see the JF-17 there with the formation.. maybe it is a good omen..and right beside an F-5 that is supposed to be replaced soon..

 

[Frogman]

Frogman mate, could you expound on that?

I don't see how the CO and NCO would not
assure the formation of the radio carrier man
nor do I get how few radios are used.

Minimum back in the 80s was for my teams
on the squad to each have a radio on top of
my own. Theirs ranged low to join me while
mine could reach the Platoon leader far away.

Please, Tay.

P.S. YVW Mo45, all the best.

The Platoon Commander and Platoon Sjt assume the positions of Section commanders when need be.

Example: Hasty attack. 1 Section is to assault, 2 section to suppress the enemy, and 3 section is to hold in reserve.

The Platoon Commander would typically take 1 Section to assault while the Platoon Sjt takes 2 Section to provide fire support/suppress the enemy. Knowing they're the only two with radios.

Other than that they use runners to deliver messages. What that looks like under En contact in the Sinai is a Platoon that lacks cohesion and is unable to take the initiative as the only way it works is by being micromanaged.

That's why you see Officers rather than Riflemen leading patrols in Egypt from any combat footage.

In our Sections in the UK each Rifleman had a Personal Role Radio (500m range unencrypted) and the Section IC and 2IC both had Bowman (long range encrypted). So there is coms within the section and to the Platoon Commander and Platoon Sgt.

 

[Taygibay]

Very interesting, my good mate!

So for short, the attribution is not truly
linked to combat element roles but rather
to role/rank of COs/NCOs which account
for too few Bowmans having been acquired?

Do you see the troops qualified both tactically
and technically to give some to corporals or
should there be a grouped buy of Bowmans & Sgts?

Because if each section has a long-range radio
it becomes possible to occupy more terrain and
in that vast expanse of the Sinaï, it could help!

Thanks for that informative answer, good day, Tay.

 

[Gomig-21]

It is nice to see the JF-17 there with the formation.. maybe it is a good omen..and right beside an F-5 that is supposed to be replaced soon..

Agreed. That's such a great photo. It would be even better if we got a detailed summary of the exercise and what they trained on. Some of the info released was they did some A2A defensive exercises as well as A2G runs and even combined arms.

Looking forward to Bright Star and hopefully we'll get a lot of quality photos this year. Last year was actually pretty good, but most of the stuff we got a good look at was ground operations. The tank exercises were excellent and even the CAS, but I'd love to see more of the aerial aspect of it.

Back in the early ones they used to show a lot of the aerial stuff, but not much after that.

BTW, according to GFP, Japan, Turkey, Germany, Egypt, Indonesia, Israel and Pakistan all fell one spot. Notables that jumped up a spot are UK, South Korea and Iran. Interesting.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

 

[Gomig-21]

Great job by the armed forces taking out that gutless rat who calls himself the Emir el 3ars ebn el labwa.
@Crocodile @Harpcore_lover Great job they're doing in Sinai when you see the radical drop in activity by the vermin rats since even late 2016. Yallah ya ged3an.

On a separate note, MBDA is participating in EDEX2018.

 

[Harpcore_lover]

Great job by the armed forces taking out that gutless rat who calls himself the Emir el 3ars ebn el labwa.
@Crocodile @Harpcore_lover Great job they're doing in Sinai when you see the radical drop in activity by the vermin rats since even late 2016. Yallah ya ged3an.

On a separate note, MBDA is participating in EDEX2018.

Great job by the armed forces taking out that gutless rat who calls himself the Emir el 3ars ebn el labwa.
@Crocodile @Harpcore_lover Great job they're doing in Sinai when you see the radical drop in activity by the vermin rats since even late 2016. Yallah ya ged3an.

On a separate note, MBDA is participating in EDEX2018.

It's pretty fucking epic and they should do more raids since he got killed in a raid in some place in the mountains.

 

[Harpcore_lover]

Great job by the armed forces taking out that gutless rat who calls himself the Emir el 3ars ebn el labwa.
@Crocodile @Harpcore_lover Great job they're doing in Sinai when you see the radical drop in activity by the vermin rats since even late 2016. Yallah ya ged3an.

On a separate note, MBDA is participating in EDEX2018.

Pretty great effort, since he was killed in a raid I think army should intensify the raids.

 

[curious]

Why does Egyptian air force use those high visibility orange markings on its aircraft? i understand that it makes it easier for EAF to tell their jets from others, but that would apply on the enemy as well.
Comprising an otherwise grey air superiority camouflage like this could prove a disadvantage in an air to air engagement whon't it ?

can anyone shed some light on this?

 

[Mhmoud]

Why does Egyptian air force use those high visibility orange markings on its aircraft? i understand that it makes it easier for EAF to tell their jets from others, but that would apply on the enemy as well.
Comprising an otherwise grey air superiority camouflage like this could prove a disadvantage in an air to air engagement whon't it ?

can anyone shed some light on this?

I think that it is to make the jets look "unique" or something along those lines. If tensions rise, they could easily just paint over it, but dogfights rarely depend solely on sight alone.

 

[Frogman]

Very interesting, my good mate!

So for short, the attribution is not truly
linked to combat element roles but rather
to role/rank of COs/NCOs which account
for too few Bowmans having been acquired?

Do you see the troops qualified both tactically
and technically to give some to corporals or
should there be a grouped buy of Bowmans & Sgts?

Because if each section has a long-range radio
it becomes possible to occupy more terrain and
in that vast expanse of the Sinaï, it could help!

Thanks for that informative answer, good day, Tay.

I'm not sure what you asked exactly because I think it got lost in translation. But I will try to answer anyway.

It's rather hard to unpack because the issues are systemic, cultural, and often depend on roles too.

For a start Egypt's predominantly conscript based infantry are not trained in the use of radios or radio procedure unless their role demands it. They are poorly trained and equipped.

The role of Lance Corporal/fire team or squad commander is left to a conscript. Depending on length of service that rifleman could be in anywhere between 1-3 years. Yet still poorly trained and prepared.

NCOs are volunteers, Corporals/section commanders, are often better trained than their conscript counterparts but have little experience outside of their training, so while they may be technically adept they do not command any authority and thus are often unfit to lead. Not their fault, it is a consequence of a system that provides direct volunteer entry to Corporal.

A Sgt on the other hand has been in for quite some time, can be technically proficient. Often has the time and experience in to lead a Platoon. He is really the only person a Platoon commander can actually trust or count on given the lack of experience and training of the rest of the platoon.

Finally the Officer, this one is a quite difficult to judge. 3 years in the Academy he feels he is better trained than the entirety of his platoon, and he is. He also feels he's more experienced, which he often is, given the conscript based system anyone with combat experience is discharged after they reach their term.

So unlike the UK or France where a Platoon Commander would insert into a Platoon full of Pvts and Corporals with at least one tour their Egyptian counterpart knows he knows best.

It doesn't help that being an Officer in Egypt in itself is a sign of prestige in a pretty classist society, thus a stereotype exists for a reason. The designer sunglasses wearing Officer who wants to be the centre of attention, go through this thread and you will see plenty. This sort of Officer wants everything in the Platoon to rely and depend on him so he remains the bearer of knowledge. He wants to be the most powerful man there.

This results in a platoon where all the leadership positions don't trust each other and don't share their knowledge. Ultimately to the detriment of unit cohesion.

So whilst actually buying more coms or issuing Bowmans may be a good idea there's no real guarantee it will solve the core problem, trust. They will likely act and operate in the same way but carry around something heavy for their trouble.

 

[Gomig-21]

Why does Egyptian air force use those high visibility orange markings on its aircraft?

This started back in 1982/83 when the switch from the Soviet Union to the American side took place and as part of the weapons supply through the peace treaty and particularly the new fighter jets that were being introduced. The "claimed" reason is that they needed some type of visual identification to distinguish them from other aircraft in the region. We all know that's a bunch of hocus pocus and the true reason was to put pressure on the EAF to make it easy for the Israelis to pick them out in close air to air combat in case war broke out again. Good thing that was only a concept that lasted a short while as radars, missiles, IFF, coms and training improved drastically.

At the time, BVR was not the big thing as it is today and most of the fighting that took place in the wars with Israel from 1967 trough the war of attrition and then the October War was almost exclusively dog fighting done at very close range. The main instigator of this was the battle of Mansoura where there were somewhere in the vicinity of 30+/- fighters in the air at once battling it out at very close range. During that time, the EAF was also flying the Mirages that they received from Libya while the Israelis were also using the Nesher (Mirage 5 really) and the two were obviously similar. Knowing that, the Israelis had done something similar to their Neshers.

So the EAF began putting them on almost all their aircraft, even the MiG-21s, F-7s, Mirages and Phantoms and of course, the F-16s.

As time has gone by and IFF has developed in the EAF, the BVR element was still missing and purposely so for obvious reasons.

i understand that it makes it easier for EAF to tell their jets from others, but that would apply on the enemy as well.

If you think about it, if war ever broke out and those orange markings created a disadvantage, would the EAF keep them on? They can easily paint over them or even remove them. So the whole concept of them being a disadvantage is not true at all. There are also other reasons that make them unimportant during battle and that is most air engagements now don't require you to visually ID an aircraft. You must be able to determine it's an enemy aircraft way before you see it. Your radar has a threat library that identifies a non-friendly at very long distances and if it's an unknown signal, the IFF interrogator does the required process to determine if the signal is friend or foe.

Comprising an otherwise grey air superiority camouflage like this could prove a disadvantage in an air to air engagement whon't it ?

The problem is that people look at it in only one way, as a disadvantage. But wouldn't it work the other way around also? Wouldn't it be just as easy for an Egyptian pilot to see that the enemy aircraft isn't orange? So he can identify the enemy just the same. This is the biggest misconception when there is always assumption that the disadvantage can and always will be on the Egyptian side.

If tensions rise, they could easily just paint over it, but dogfights rarely depend solely on sight alone.

Exactly, if they even matter. At this point though they should get rid of them since it doesn't make one iota of a difference. Especially since the Rafales won't get them and neither are the MiG-35s. Some of the Blck 52s are without them.

Nowadays it's all about an air force's strength in SIGINT, EW CAS the aircraft's data fusion, radar, advanced weaponry and stealth.

 

[Taygibay]

I'm not sure what you asked exactly because I think it got lost in translation. But I will try to answer anyway.

Perfect answer, mate!
There was nothing lost in translation
and the joy of an informative post is
a rare moment of bliss!

For proof, I then gather the group buy
is best but with better training for Sgts.

A Sgt on the other hand has been in for quite some time, can be technically proficient. Often has the time and experience in to lead a Platoon. He is really the only person a Platoon commander can actually trust or count on given the lack of experience and training of the rest of the platoon.

This also did not go unnoticed by me :

This sort of Officer wants everything in the Platoon to rely and depend on him so he remains the bearer of knowledge.

I loathe that kind of person with all my soul.
To me, knowledge is paramount to the point
of having a hard time morally in being paid
for sharing it.
Knowledge is manna and he who impedes its
flow to all humans is an agent of evil.

Mille grazie as our Italian friends say, all earned!

Have a great day, Tay.

 

[Harpcore_lover]

Man

Perfect answer, mate!
There was nothing lost in translation
and the joy of an informative post is
a rare moment of bliss!

For proof, I then gather the group buy
is best but with better training for Sgts.


This also did not go unnoticed by me :


I loathe that kind of person with all my soul.
To me, knowledge is paramount to the point
of having a hard time morally in being paid
for sharing it.
Knowledge is manna and he who impedes its
flow to all humans is an agent of evil.

Mille grazie as our Italian friends say, all earned!

Have a great day, Tay.

Man the amount of info you know is just fantastic, do you think that they are working on issues regarding professionalism or they Ain't? And if they ain't, no chance of any thing in sight?