Egypt Arrests 29 People Suspected of Spying for Turkey

[Arabi]

Egypt took firm stances against Turkey on Wednesday after accusing Ankara’s intelligence and security apparatuses of seeking to target state institutions in collaboration with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt’s Prosecutor General Nabil Ahmad Sadek ordered the detention of 29 suspects for 15 days on charges of espionage for Ankara, with the intention of damaging the country’s national interests and of conducting overseas calls without licensing.

General intelligence investigations revealed on Wednesday that Turkish security and intelligence services developed a scheme with Muslim Brotherhood members to take power in Egypt by disturbing the existing systems in state institutions.

According to investigators, the conspirators “recorded calls and collected intelligence information, including monitoring the opinions of various social groups and classes in Egypt.”

They said that Turkish intelligence then used the information to recruit agents to commit aggressive acts against the Egyptian state.

The findings of the probe also uncovered that the conspirators deliberately circulated false information and rumors through Egyptian media outlets, seeking to turn public opinion against state institutions.

The General Prosecution has allowed that phone calls, meetings and all correspondences carried out between the defendants and the Turkish security and intelligence services for consecutive months, be recorded.

Turkey currently hosts leaders and Muslim Brotherhood members, who have received court verdicts.

Ankara has also facilitated paperwork for Muslim Brotherhood students who were dismissed from Egyptian universities by allowing them to enroll in Turkish universities.

The Supreme State Security Prosecutors also ordered a raid on the houses of the suspects, seizing high tech electronic devices, electromagnetic wave receptors, in addition to nano stations used in rapid speed connection of these devices to international information networks.

Also on Wednesday, Cairo’s Criminal Court upheld a verdict by Prosecutor General Nabil Sadeq to confiscate all belongings and assets of 16 defendants involved in the case of spying for Turkey.


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[Saif al-Arab]

Egypt took firm stances against Turkey on Wednesday after accusing Ankara’s intelligence and security apparatuses of seeking to target state institutions in collaboration with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt’s Prosecutor General Nabil Ahmad Sadek ordered the detention of 29 suspects for 15 days on charges of espionage for Ankara, with the intention of damaging the country’s national interests and of conducting overseas calls without licensing.

General intelligence investigations revealed on Wednesday that Turkish security and intelligence services developed a scheme with Muslim Brotherhood members to take power in Egypt by disturbing the existing systems in state institutions.

According to investigators, the conspirators “recorded calls and collected intelligence information, including monitoring the opinions of various social groups and classes in Egypt.”

They said that Turkish intelligence then used the information to recruit agents to commit aggressive acts against the Egyptian state.

The findings of the probe also uncovered that the conspirators deliberately circulated false information and rumors through Egyptian media outlets, seeking to turn public opinion against state institutions.

The General Prosecution has allowed that phone calls, meetings and all correspondences carried out between the defendants and the Turkish security and intelligence services for consecutive months, be recorded.

Turkey currently hosts leaders and Muslim Brotherhood members, who have received court verdicts.

Ankara has also facilitated paperwork for Muslim Brotherhood students who were dismissed from Egyptian universities by allowing them to enroll in Turkish universities.

The Supreme State Security Prosecutors also ordered a raid on the houses of the suspects, seizing high tech electronic devices, electromagnetic wave receptors, in addition to nano stations used in rapid speed connection of these devices to international information networks.

Also on Wednesday, Cairo’s Criminal Court upheld a verdict by Prosecutor General Nabil Sadeq to confiscate all belongings and assets of 16 defendants involved in the case of spying for Turkey.


AlsharqAlawsat

Not a surprise at all, is it?

The AKP regime headed by Erdogan (17 years and running), after the failed MB-project co-sponsored by Erdogan's best friend (Qatar) in Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Tunisia and Iraq (basically everywhere), is now on its death bed so the final attempts at rescuing it were tried but to no avail.

Instead they must do with hosting MB fugitives accused of terrorism and wanted by Egypt and other Arab governments inside Turkey and airing MB channels from Turkey. All under the blessing of Erdogan of course.

Or publicly showing their support for such progressive clerics as this clown below who openly supports suicide bombings.

https://twitter.com/x/status/935508243899731968

It is sad as Turkey is not only losing badly on this front but committing mistakes that will neither benefit Turkey as a country or Turks as a people. Turkey could become the best possible economic partner of the GCC.

However consistency is not really Erdogan's strength and this might explain his chaotic policy, backtracking and constant changes.

In fact I predict that Erdogan himself will claim that MB are a terrorist group in a few years just like he did with his previous mentor Gulen and the group sponsored by him who now have supposedly infiltrated all of Turkey if we are to believe Erdogan.

Sad, as Turkey could and maybe should have been a trusted partner. Let us hope that actual Kemalists or nationalists will reach power soon again but hopefully not using violent coup d'etat's as is the tradition.

Lastly we should speak about this openly. Who are the entities supporting and aiding terrorists in Western Libya and Sinai? Who benefits from this instability and such actions? Who is the one that considers the current Egyptian government and Haftar for enemies? Is it not high time to speak up on PDF as is done on Arab forums rather than tolerating fake accusations against actual trusted partners of those two?

BTW is it a coincidence that neither Qatar nor Turkey played a role in the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah? I don't think so.

 

[The SC]

I didn't want to report these news a week or so ago and also about the Turkish guy arrested for espionage while using a boat as a tourist and taking pictures of Egyptian naval installations..because espionage cases like these are taking place very often..and so I thought it was not worth it.. but I am glad you brought it up..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I didn't want to report these news a week or so ago and also about the Turkish guy arrested for espionage while using a boat as a tourist and taking pictures of Egyptian naval installations..because espionage cases like these are taking place very often..and so I thought it was not worth it.. but I am glad you brought it up..

Well, they probably are, but have you ever heard about Arab spy networks conspiring against the Turkish regime/government?

Do you know a single Arab country (20 +) that hosts wanted Turkish people and airs anti-Turkey (state) TV channels?

We should stop kidding ourselves. While Turkey is not an enemy and likely never will be in the modern era, we cannot consider Erdogan's policy to be friendly let alone with his ongoing love story with Qatar and the failed MB project.

It's a shame that there are so many delusional Neo-Ottomans among AKP supporters. Can you imagine political Arab groups being Neo-Rashiduns, Neo-Umayyads, Neo-Abbasids, Neo-Fatimids etc. in this day and age (2017)? Ridiculous.

 

[cabatli_53]

@Saif al-Arab

What's your prediction ? What is the purpose of Turkish intelligence agency with spying the naval base of Egypt ?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab

What's your prediction ? What is the purpose of Turkish intelligence agency with spying the naval base of Egypt ?

You must ask the government of Egypt that question and those people who made the arrests. I was not involved.

A better question is, why is Turkey (Erdogan) hosting wanted terrorists and giving room, space and support for hostile TV channels that are aired from Turkey with the blessing of Erdogan while numerous Turkish channels have been shut down?

Why is Turkey (Erdogan) defending a so-called "Islamic" group of scholars whose leader (Al-Qardawi) openly supports suicide bombings as shown in post 2?

Why the love story with tiny Qatar of all countries (could it have something to do with both Erdogan and the Qatari regime having both betted on the losing horse that is the MB) out of a sudden when such a special relationship has come at a much greater cost at alienating Arab and regional powers like KSA and Egypt to mention a few who Turkey could benefit much more from?

Yet despite all this KSA does not consider Turkey and enemy nor acts hostile against it despite such strong disagreements.

Unfortunately Erdogan controlled media like Daily Sabah and that new TV channel that IMO fruitlessly tries to compete with Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera, posts plenty of anti-KSA/anti-Arab propaganda. Why is that as I do not understand it.

Erdogan is an enigma and Turkish foreign policy under his rule. It changes every single day almost.

As I said it is sad as nobody benefits from this.

And kindly don't start this Western tirade (I do not care about the West - in the sense that I feel the need to defend them, KSA is not a Western country, KSA has its own policy irrespective of the West and disagrees and have disagreed many times with the West, Western media are by large anti-KSA - a well-established fact) when your country is a NATO member, an applicant for EU membership and the most close partner of Israel in the region along with Azerbaijan. In fact you owe your ingenious military programs to the same West by large. We all know this. So let us end it here. Similarly KSA has benefited from the West and does it while we speak. This is no secret nor should it be a crime.

BTW I have nothing against Turkey or Turks only those Turks who have something against Arabs. You know, you need two for tango. So before you will claim that I hate Turkey and Turks, I will just say beforehand that you are wrong. My father used to live in Besiktas as a small child before you were probably born due to my grandfathers work that I will not mention here but he was well-versed in the higher circles of that time (1960's) within Turkey and the diplomatic corps back then. And no, I am not an House of Saud member either just in case. Paternal ancestors of mine were born and partially educated in Istanbul long before the Turkish republic was created and probably before the ancestors of some of the Turkish PDF users of Bosnian, Albanian, Circassian etc. ancestry reached modern-day Turkey.

 

[Arabi]

Never seen such a hypocrisy, the same meeting with the Israelis with different messages to their Arab audience and English-speaking audience... this is from the Turkish Anadolu agency explains the hypocritical role of AKP's...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Never seen such a hypocrisy, the same meeting with the Israelis with different messages to their Arab audience and English-speaking audience... this is from the Turkish Anadolu agency explains the hypocritical role of AKP's...

I have been saying this for years. Erdogan (Erdogan does not equal Turks) is not to be trusted as he is a populist that will use all tricks in the book within Turkey and outside of it. I have been trying to argue this point with braindead Arab Islamists (mostly in the diaspora) who do not dare to say a single work about a "brother" just because we share religion. Those people's mothers might as well have been hurt by such people and they will still defend it by saying, "well, they are our Muslim brothers so no harm done"!

Luckily and thankfully such people are in the tiny minority here almost 10 years after.

BTW you can see this change on Arab forums, Arab media etc. So nobody will be fooled again expect for those who insist which are not worth our time and for all I care they are no longer Arabs.

Unfortunately certain Turkish users on this forum use the same rhetoric here on PDF and the goodwill of Pakistanis to attack Arabs. Luckily, once again, many Pakistani users on PDF know what this is about and luckily the Pakistani people (PDF is not representative) consider China and KSA as their closest allies and must trusted partners as per recent polls inside Pakistan.

https://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/82-pakistanis-trust-pakistan-army-institute-survey/

BTW watch the likes of @HannibalBarca defend such policies (he is nowhere to be found when there is legitimate criticism against Erdogan to be found) but he is the first one to attack Arab governments. Sad.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Never seen such a hypocrisy, the same meeting with the Israelis with different messages to their Arab audience and English-speaking audience... this is from the Turkish Anadolu agency explains the hypocritical role of AKP's...

Could you show us the original twitter posting/tweet?

 

[The SC]

Well, they probably are, but have you ever heard about Arab spy networks conspiring against the Turkish regime/government?

Do you know a single Arab country (20 +) that hosts wanted Turkish people and airs anti-Turkey (state) TV channels?

We should stop kidding ourselves. While Turkey is not an enemy and likely never will be in the modern era, we cannot consider Erdogan's policy to be friendly let alone with his ongoing love story with Qatar and the failed MB project.

It's a shame that there are so many delusional Neo-Ottomans among AKP supporters. Can you imagine political Arab groups being Neo-Rashiduns, Neo-Umayyads, Neo-Abbasids, Neo-Fatimids etc. in this day and age (2017)? Ridiculous.

Well, Turkey has enough internal problems of its own, no need for Arabs to stir any troubles there..and they won't do it if they could either as the majority thinks well of Turks in general..
You know, Erdogan just sacked another 66 military officers including some pilots _again!_ for their ties to the US based Gulen organisation..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well, Turkey has enough internal problems of its own, no need for Arabs to stir any troubles there..and they won't do it if they could either as the majority thinks well of Turks in general..
You know, Erdogan just sacked another 66 military officers including some pilots _again!_ for their ties to the US based Gulen organisation..

I am not calling for Egypt and others to retaliate even if this news is genuine. The ordinary Turks is innocent of Erdogan's policies in the past 17 years, and yes I do understand that they have elected him, but we all know that the story is deeper than this and that events have occurred where people had no say even if they wanted.

Anyway as I explained in post 6, the foreign policy really baffles me and I find it annoying that in a constantly unstable region, two parties like the GCC (united front) and Turkey, could not become the glue that this region desperately need. There was amble potential of this but I guess that Erdogan wanted it differently. Yet, despite this, you see many GCC countries keep investing in Turkey and giving Turkish firms (occasionally) preferential treatment even within KSA and UAE.

In the expansion (that a few Turks on PDF have criticized for no reason and without much knowledge) projects in Makkah and Madinah a Turkish firm (jointly with two local ones) is doing the work. In fact I have spoken with the few Turkish engineers working in Al-Masjid al-Haram and wished them good luck with the work. So much for that.

I am too young to remember but I don't think that "we" had such problems when Kemalists where in power. I know that Turkey and Hafiz al-Assad had trouble with each other and occasionally Iraq (Saddam Hussein) and Turkey but otherwise I do not recall something alike. As you are older than me, you might educate me here.

 

[Arabi]

Could you show us the original twitter posting/tweet?

Here's the links to the news provided in the Tweet...

the English one

Turkey, Israel to set up special dialogue for gas trade

the Arabic one

تركيا وإسرائيل تبحثان توفير الكهرباء للفلسطينيين


Never ending hypocrisy

 

[The SC]

I am not calling for Egypt and others to retaliate even if this news is genuine. The ordinary Turks is innocent of Erdogan's policies in the past 17 years, and yes I do understand that they have elected him, but we all know that the story is deeper than this and that events have occurred where people had no say even if they wanted.

Anyway as I explained in post 6, the foreign policy really baffles me and I find it annoying that in a constantly unstable region, two parties like the GCC (united front) and Turkey, could not become the glue that this region desperately need. There was amble potential of this but I guess that Erdogan wanted it differently. Yet, despite this, you see many GCC countries keep investing in Turkey and giving Turkish firms (occasionally) preferential treatment even within KSA and UAE.

I am too young to remember but I don't think that "we" had such problems when Kemalists where in power. I know that Turkey and Hafiz al-Assad had trouble with each other and occasionally Iraq (Saddam Hussein) and Turkey but otherwise I do not recall something alike. As you are older than me, you might educate me here.

All I can tell you..and you should be able to read between the lines..is that Turkey's close ties with the GCC or/and Egypt (in fact with any other Muslim country) is not well perceived by Europe in particular and the West in general.. (Paranoia plays a big role here..), One should understand first that Turkey, the GCC, Egypt and Pakistan.. to name a few) are major Muslim powers..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Here's the links to the news provided in the Tweet...

the English one

Turkey, Israel to set up special dialogue for gas trade

the Arabic one

تركيا وإسرائيل تبحثان توفير الكهرباء للفلسطينيين


Never ending hypocrisy

He will deny it of course even though those are official platforms. Yet he claims that he does not care about Erdogan despite parroting all of Erdogan's views. Yet he is the one that labels me (a person that he has no clue about) as an educated but ignorant person and the other nonsense about not knowing Islam and being young while being backward.

I remember very clearly how he was very pro-GCC and anti-Iran (before the Qatar crisis and much of the mess that have occurred) and now he uses every opportunity to paint all Arabs as "backward", "dumb" etc. (you know the rhetoric) and Iran as some shinning example of what God's know exactly but whatever.

A supposed person born and breed in the West who prides himself on how "superior" Turks are to other Muslims and how "enlightened" they are while everyone else (other Muslims) are "backward wild beats". That's apparently progressiveness for him.

Yes, my very "controversial" views, frank talk and well-known opinions are really "backward". Maybe in an alternative world.

All I can tell you..and you should be able to read between the lines..is that Turkey's close ties with the GCC or/and Egypt (in fact with any other Muslim country) is not well perceived by Europe in particular and the West in general.. (Paranoia plays a big role here..), One should understand first that Turkey, the GCC, Egypt and Pakistan.. to name a few) are major Muslim powers..

Regardless of this, as I see it, Erdogan (or current and past Turkish decision makers in the second half of AKP's rule) have dealt with issues in a wrong and harmful way not only for themselves but their potential partners. Anyway time will only tell if this will improve or worsen.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Here's the links to the news provided in the Tweet...

the English one

Turkey, Israel to set up special dialogue for gas trade

the Arabic one

تركيا وإسرائيل تبحثان توفير الكهرباء للفلسطينيين


Never ending hypocrisy

This is good. Turkey should have a neutral stance on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.