Education: PTI’s plan exposed

[truthfollower]

At least we're not bombing and invading them in the name of democracy

Some of you have tried it already

 

[ziaulislam]

Yes, the guy who has made multiple, multiple significant contributions to the field of Physics internationally, and holds 4 degrees from MIT. Some of his political views might be very offset, but he has made very valid points here, and they're worth reading.

what contributions i would like to hear that..enlight me?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I’ve seen that the kids out in the west were objectively better Muslims than their Pakistani counterparts. But how is this possible? The group that came out worse in my experience were the ones who grew up in Islamic society, taught religion at school etc. While the others were surrounded by secular society and taught critical thinking, and they faced pressure to relent to logic over religious belief.

Assalam alaikum brother thanks for your in-depth response, I really liked your post.

I think the reason for this trend of more religious Muslims in the West is that many of the irreligious minded ones have already left islam. I read one article saying that 25% of children born Muslim in the US leave Islam, but it doesn't show up in statistics because an equal number convert to Islam. Islam is now pretty much constant in the West.

This difference occurs IMO as a result of parents being complacent in Pakistan, not teaching their kids properly and giving them perhaps too much freedom in their formative years. Whereas parents here in the UK fear their kids becoming those that will drink, party, fornicate, abandon their religious upbringing. The environment is conducive to this so western Muslim parents watch over their kids a lot more and enforce many boundaries that are simply not enforced back home.

A major factor, i agree.

There’s more to be said still on teaching of religion and sciences alongside one another, IMO a strict separation between the two is best. Plenty of folks here will disagree. Religion is not a subject that is taught with scientific critical thought, and science disavows any unverifiable beliefs and dogma. I don’t want kids who are being taught biology to also be taught that evolution can’t possibly be because [insert misconstruing of natural selection], or generally to have facts which can be arrived at thought scientific reasoning and testing to be mixed with that which we believe unquestioningly. The logic for these two systems is completely different, so they should be kept apart.

Iran does not have any such separation, yet they pump out a large number of scientists and professionals. I don't think it completely related.

Actually I believe this inconsistency is causing undue stress of the society as a whole. as soon as we completely embrace our islamic identity, we can focus on improving other issues and produce confident, and strong students.

So when an MA Islamiyat student has to pass english to get his MA Islamiyat degree, all these pseudo-liberals don't blink an eye.

But when the MA English student is asked to pass Islamiyat to get his degree, these libtards go nuts?

It is good for them, it will get them back on the right track and it will go far in dissuading students from potential erroneous propaganda against our state in both extremes.

 

[truthfollower]

Islam as most are Nation States and are either secular or at the most have a few token Islamic laws that are never enforced

Iran and Saudi Arab are not Islamic states?

 

[BATMAN]

I'm surprised... Imran Khan has a plan!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Hoodboys lies have been exposed.

I am sharing some basics of the single national curriculum for study and comments. For detailed response kindly send to: sncpakistan2020@gmail.com https://t.co/dzBanN0ew8



This post will be ignored by libtards. It does not fit the agenda. Yahoodiboy does - evidence and facts don't.

Thanks brother for sharing.

I suggest everyone please read the revised syllabus before commenting further. Many positive changes have been made which we have asked for years.

For example, English is now taught as a language rather than a subject, and basic study of all major languages of Pakistan have been added.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1284744110616858625

 

[truthfollower]

English is now taught as a language rather than a subject, and basic study of all major languages of Pakistan have been added.

hopefully tolerance for other religions too
Don't want to receive more letters for conversion to islam

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Jinnah(or maybe he was killed no ambulance for him) a British educated and pork eating liberal. The moment he died the first thing his followers did, im

Please refrain from such comments.

hopefully tolerance for other religions too
Don't want to receive more letters for conversion to islam

Added also.

 

[BATMAN]

Imran Khan likes to make children only from English women... than why don't want Pakistanis to learn English and why is he taking away public's choice?

 

[Nilgiri]

In the past I’ve said that our curriculum needs serious work. And in one paragraph of that article he is discussing the education gap between the two types of schooling in Pakistan. A national curriculum is absolutely the right thing to do, it would have had to be done one day or another. And I’ve said as much in the past too, it can’t be one superior schooling for the rich, and a substandard experience for the poor.

As for his criticism of the proposed curriculum, I haven’t seen it myself so I can’t comment intelligently, but if what he is describing is true, then some of it sounds extremely regressive in some places and needs review. PH is a scientist and he like other scientists are fervent supporters of rational thinking over religious belief, dogma and ideology. This part of his personality and political thinking is evident in his writing, and it’s been evident for a long time.

Dawkins for example rails against it openly and fully, but also other popular celebrity scientists question things the way PH does. IMO PH has valid criticism of many things in Pakistan, naturally as an academic he sticks to he knows and what issues he sees in his own, or in adjacent fields. Our system of schooling (if one can call it a coherent system) in some cases promotes ideology over reasoning. Memorisation over understanding, parroting over critical thinking. This invariably means we will suffer when it comes to progress in the subjects that require these skills most; science, mathematics, social sciences.

On the subject of the place of Islam in schooling, I am a little torn. I have no problem in principle with a more secularised environment. It can have some benefits, and the introduction of more religious material if done right need not be harmful. Some level of religious teaching is good for societal wellbeing. But IMO religious upbringing is instilled at home, having seen Muslim kids who have been taught in the Islamic republic of Pakistan, and kids brought up in Muslim families in the secular nations of the US, UK etc.

I’ve seen that the kids out in the west were objectively better Muslims than their Pakistani counterparts. But how is this possible? The group that came out worse in my experience were the ones who grew up in Islamic society, taught religion at school etc. While the others were surrounded by secular society and taught critical thinking, and they faced pressure to relent to logic over religious belief.

This difference occurs IMO as a result of parents being complacent in Pakistan, not teaching their kids properly and giving them perhaps too much freedom in their formative years. Whereas parents here in the UK fear their kids becoming those that will drink, party, fornicate, abandon their religious upbringing. The environment is conducive to this so western Muslim parents watch over their kids a lot more and enforce many boundaries that are simply not enforced back home.

So what I meant to say by this is that imo religious upbringing is more the job of parents, schools can participate, but it should not be at the cost of crucial critical thinking and teaching of subjects which is essential for their academic progress and building a skilled economy.

There’s more to be said still on teaching of religion and sciences alongside one another, IMO a strict separation between the two is best. Plenty of folks here will disagree. Religion is not a subject that is taught with scientific critical thought, and science disavows any unverifiable beliefs and dogma. I don’t want kids who are being taught biology to also be taught that evolution can’t possibly be because [insert misconstruing of natural selection], or generally to have facts which can be arrived at thought scientific reasoning and testing to be mixed with that which we believe unquestioningly. The logic for these two systems is completely different, so they should be kept apart.



I hesitated at first too. Now I am awaiting being dragged into the mud in some reply, but for now I am happy that I’ve left a reply based on the content of the article and my own thoughts.



I think you’re giving some folks too much credit. It’s attack the messenger rather than read or understand the message, let alone challenge it.

Honestly my education at school was very secular (though we did celebrate Christmas etc) and looking back now...it offered a good environment away from the household (parent's religion - Hindu) for me to explore...without being suffocated.

If every environment of exposure I found myself in was the same cultural monolith and same intensity, I would likely not have developed into who I am today. There is lot of scope in assigning some reasonable contrast in environments a child develops in...i.e the subconscious realm for critical thinking....since you need contrast to develop sound debate and perspective.

I think it develops and grounds faith more robustly (since you understand at young age its value, application and best realm) and at same time gives/permits good scope for practical realm of Science and logic etc.

@Joe Shearer @SQ8

 

[Desert Fox]

Some of you have tried it already

Lol moron so which country did Pakistan bomb and invade and slaughter millions in the name of spreading Democracy?

 

[Redbeanpaste]

by the way algebra is the basis of all e tech, a muslim created that

1200 years ago.

‘Nuff said.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Nilgiri my friend, you want me to give my views at a thread whose first page was composed on attacking the author and calling him 'yahood boy' and the next three on how atheists are evil and liberals are evil traitors? Nobody is bothering about the content of the article nor are they providing for and against arguments. Of course why bother to use the brain in such a difficult manner when it is so much easier to attack the author and voila. In this mess no opinion can be given friend.

Be careful of their politics, they will ignite and use you against other Pakistanis as you have been marked as Indian (Hindu) ally by them.

1200 years ago.

‘Nuff said.

Muslim empires were conquering and bringing advancements in infrastructure, agriculture, and culture as late as 1800s under Ottomans

Mughal empire is rightly regarded as the golden age of Afghan/Pak/subcontinental history, highest GDP was under them. Even Durranis built infrastructure in Pak and Afghan region, Sher Shah Suri built GT road, and Tipu Sultan was the father of rocketry.

Safavi Iran was responsible for numerous cultural achievements in architecture, culture, language.

Mohammad Ali Pasha did much the same in Egypt.

 

[Lincoln]

what contributions i would like to hear that..enlight me?

Wikipedia is your friend.

 

[313ghazi]

Be careful of their politics, they will ignite and use you against other Pakistanis as you have been marked as Indian (Hindu) ally by them.



Muslim empires were conquering and bringing advancements in infrastructure, agriculture, and culture as late as 1800s under Ottomans

Mughal empire is rightly regarded as the golden age of Afghan/Pak/subcontinental history, highest GDP was under them. Even Durranis built infrastructure in Pak and Afghan region, Sher Shah Suri built GT road, and Tipu Sultan was the father of rocketry.

Safavi Iran was responsible for numerous cultural achievements in architecture, culture, language.

Mohammad Ali Pasha did much the same in Egypt.

This is not good enough for those who are mental slaves. They suffer from the white saviour complex. These are the sorts of people who will shoo away beggar children at home and then adopt a Giraffe because a TV advert voiced by a white man told them too.

The only development that ever occured in Pakistan was the railways the British built to transport their troops quickly from A to B to help kill and enslave our forefathers. Other than that we all lived like cats and dogs in the streets.