Dutch journalist claims evidence MH17 shot down by Russian BUK missile

[Hindustani78]

Dutch journalist claims evidence MH17 shot down by Russian BUK missile - read on - uatoday.tv
19:40 Mar. 19, 2015

Netherlands media outlet publishes analysis of fragments allegedly taken from east Ukraine crash site

This is proven by a forensic investigation into ammunition fragments from debris of the airplane, ordered by RTL News. International experts endorse the conclusion of this investigation: MH17 has been taken down by a BUK missile.

Last year correspondent Jeroen Akkermans took with him some fragments of the murder weapon from the crash site in Ukraine for investigation. The material has been examined by an independent institute that has conducted a confidential investigation.

Investigation into the chemical composition showed that they are remains from a BUK missile, among which fragments from the warhead – the pay load. The fragment of the warhead consists of a low-quality alloy of steel common to this form of ammunition. It appears from electroscopic enlargements that a fragment shows a cast-on Cyrillic serial number from the Russian language next to a partly broken number 2.

Mr Akkermans found this fragment in November of last year in a part of the hull of MH17 near the village of Grabova in Eastern Ukraine. He was in the war zone four months after the crash to find the truth about the death of the 298 passengers and crew of flight MH17.

 

[Penguin]

19 Mar 2015
Reaction to Dutch broadcast RTL News about MH17 investigation

In the investigation to the accident to flight MH17, the Dutch Safety Board wants to be able to confirm the final conclusion against multiple sources. This is a complex and time-consuming process. As a part of this, the link to the Malaysian Airlines aeroplane has to be demonstrated for each source, in part because the aeroplane crashed in an area of civil conflict.

The investigation into the cause of the accident is ongoing and is focusing on many more sources than just the pieces of shrapnel. Additional material for investigation is welcome for this, but it is important that it be irrefutably demonstrated that there is a relationship between any material and the aeroplane that crashed. The Dutch Safety Board will accept any such material and include it in the investigation.

Dutch Safety Board | Investigations & Publication | Investigation crash MH17, 17 July 2014

 

[Superboy]

Yes rebels shot down MH17 and killed 298 civilians. The plane never should have been flying over a war zone. Anyone with half a brain should have known not to fly over a war zone where Soviet era missiles are all over the darn place. This is not the fault of rebels. It is the fault of the Ukrainian government for not restricting flight over Donbas and the fault of the Malaysian airlines for having such flights. This is war. There will be collateral damage.

 

[Hindustani78]

Yes rebels shot down MH17 and killed 298 civilians. The plane never should have been flying over a war zone. Anyone with half a brain should have known not to fly over a war zone where Soviet era missiles are all over the darn place. This is not the fault of rebels. It is the fault of the Ukrainian government for not restricting flight over Donbas and the fault of the Malaysian airlines for having such flights. This is war. There will be collateral damage.

How the rebels know to operate BUK ? When air controllers give permission then only any airline fly on that route.

 

[Superboy]

How the rebels know to operate BUK ? When air controllers give permission then only any airline fly on that route.

There are many Buks stored in Donbas. When rebels took over bases they took many Buks. Ex Ukrainian army soldiers who live in Donbas joined rebels and know how to use Buks to kill planes.

 

[Hindustani78]

There are many Buks stored in Donbas. When rebels took over bases they took many Buks. Ex Ukrainian army soldiers who lived in Donbas joined rebels and know how to use Buks to kill planes.

but still why to target a civilian aircraft ? Was it to related to Victor Yanukovych corruption and leaving Ukraine ? As soon as the MH17 was shot down, everyone forget about victor Yanukovych and the deaths of civilians in Euro Maiden.

 

[Superboy]

but still why to target a civilian aircraft ? Was it to related to Victor Yanukovych corruption and leaving Ukraine ? As soon as the MH17 was shot down, everyone forget about victor Yanukovych and the deaths of civilians in Euro Maiden.

Rebels thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane.

 

[Hindustani78]

Rebels thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane.

In a briefing at the Pentagon on Friday, Rear Admiral John Kirby told reporters that it "strains credulity" to think pro-Russian separatists believed to have shot down MH17 didn't have at least some help from Moscow. Kirby said the Buk is a "sophisticated piece of technology" that would likely require technical assistance from Russia.

 

[Superboy]

In a briefing at the Pentagon on Friday, Rear Admiral John Kirby told reporters that it "strains credulity" to think pro-Russian separatists believed to have shot down MH17 didn't have at least some help from Moscow. Kirby said the Buk is a "sophisticated piece of technology" that would likely require technical assistance from Russia.

The US hates Russia.

 

[Hindustani78]

The US hates Russia.

Here the talk is about operating of an advance BUK system.

 

[Superboy]

Here the talk is about operating of an advance BUK system.

Buk isn't that advanced. It's a 1980s system that shot down MH17. Russians don't even use that version anymore. Russians uses Buk M2.

 

[Penguin]

OFF TOPIC. SCRAM!

 

[Hindustani78]

Fragments of a Russian-produced BUK missile were found in debris of a Malaysian Airlines MH17 Boeing 777 passenger plane downed in Donbas in July 2014.

Fragments of a BUK missile were found in MH17 debris / Photo from RTL
This is proven by a forensic investigation into ammunition fragments from debris of the airplane, ordered by Dutch RTL News.

An RTL correspondent who took with him some fragments of the weapon from the crash site sent them for examination. Out of the seven fragments examined by independent experts from Warsaw, London and Munich, four were fragments of the plane and three were remains of a BUK missile, Ukraine's TSN news program reported.

RTL
"This possibility [that a BUK missile brought down MH17] was considered for some time, but as of today there is physical evidence of the murder weapon," RTL wrote on Thursday.

"For the first time there is evidence that flight MH17 was taken down by a missile. This is proven by a forensic investigation into ammunition fragments from debris of the airplane, ordered by RTL News," the investigative article said.

RTL
The Dutch news portal also posted images of the BUK fragments, saying that one of them shows part of the serial number with a broken off 2 and a Cyrillic 'Ц' letter from the Russian alphabet.

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Flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was travelling over the conflict-hit region in eastern Ukraine when it disappeared from radar on July 17, 2014. A total of 283 passengers, including 80 children, and 15 crew members were on board. All of them died after the airliner crashed.

Buk isn't that advanced. It's a 1980s system that shot down MH17. Russians don't even use that version anymore. Russians uses Buk M2.

Buk do have radar and even command system.

 

[Superboy]

This is not the rebels fault because by international law no civilian airliner should fly over a war zone where big air defense missiles are deployed. This is the fault of the Ukrainian government and the Malaysan airlines because of their negligence.

 

[Hindustani78]

This is not the rebels fault because by international law no civilian airliner should fly over a war zone where big air defense missiles are deployed. This is the fault of the Ukrainian government and the Malaysan airlines because of their negligence.

Air defenses are deployed and are being connected to traffic air controllers. How come units on the ground where not aware which plane is coming? BUK radar do identify its own combat fighters and Ukraine do use Su, MiG and Antonov fighter planes.

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Dutch visit previously inaccessible MH17 Ukraine crash site | Zee News
Last Updated: Friday, March 20, 2015 - 17:26

The Hague: Dutch experts returned to war-ravaged Ukraine on Friday to probe the MH17 crash site, including visiting a location previously considered unsafe because of fighting with pro-Russian separatists.


"A 12-person team consisting of defence and police officers has gone to Ukraine and will remain in the area until March 28," the Dutch justice ministry said in a statement.

The team, accompanied by a Dutch Safety Board (OVV) official, "will assess the situation at so-called `burned sites` with the aim of putting together a (full-blown) mission in April", it said.

Burned sites refer to places where flaming wreckage from the Malaysia Airlines 777 fell after it was shot down on July 17, killing all 298 people on board, most of them Dutch.

The Netherlands has been charged with investigating the cause of the incident and identifying the dead.

Kiev and the West have claimed that the airliner was shot down in the conflict-torn area by separatist fighters using a BUK surface-to-air missile supplied by Russia. Moscow denies the charges, pointing the finger at Kiev.

The region to be investigated "includes an area northwest of the town of Petropavlivka, which a Dutch team could not visit previously because of the security situation", the Dutch justice ministry said.

It added that Petropavlivka`s mayor had collected pieces of wreckage which will be picked up and taken to the city of Kharkiv.

Petropavlivka is around 10 kilometres (6.2 miles) west of Grabovo, the site where the main pieces of wreckage fell and the previous focus of the investigation.

Parts of the aircraft have been returned to the Netherlands where bereaved families earlier this month viewed the wreckage at the southern Gilze-Rijen airbase.

A Dutch television station on Thursday claimed it had proof that the Boeing 777 was shot down by a BUK missile based on an independent analysis of metal fragments one of its journalists removed from the crash site.

The Dutch Safety Board however issued a statement saying there was nothing to prove that the fragment came from the missile that brought the plane down, and that its own conclusions would be confirmed by "multiple sources and not only from fragments".

Kiev in February signed a shaky peace deal with separatists in its troubled rebel-held east, where months of fighting have left more than 6,000 people dead.

AFP