Dutch anti-Islam Lawmaker Cancels Contest.

[El Sidd]

i fear that threshold to be a line which Muslims like you will want to shift further and further, towards outlawing all criticism of all things Muslim anywhere.

and that's just not going to work at all. if we have to fight you over freedom of speech, you'll find us very fierce in that fight.

We are not unreasonable in our demands just like you believe you are too.

Its about finding the Balance in consensus. This is basically what lawmaking is.

Either you are with us in stomping out intolerance of any and every Kind or you are against us, siding with those who find business of hate and mischieve, profitable.

 

[PeaceGen]

We are not unreasonable in our demands just like you believe you are too.

Its about finding the Balance in consensus. This is basically what lawmaking is.

Either you are with us in stomping out intolerance of any and every Kind or you are against us, siding with those who find business of hate and mischieve, profitable.

we're not going to give up our right to be publicly critical of others.

to do so would be to leave the world to be ruled by oppressors, liars, and violent people.

First stop and ban the Freedom of Hatred Speech madrassa run by wilders, it's not like his words and actions didn't have influence on people like Anders Breivik. wilders is creating terrorists and extremists. People like Anders would turn their guns on their own.

You're going to have to prove that Breivik - Wilders link with some independent research / news-article links.

 

[El Sidd]

we're not going to give up our right to be publicly critical of others.

to do so would be to leave the world to be ruled by oppressors, liars, and violent people.

And we believe only violent lying oppressors will claim it as a right to insult our holy Prophet.

 

[I.R.A]

You're going to have to prove that Breivik - Wilders link with some independent research / news-article links.

If news articles links are your source of confirmation, then yep ....... Muslims are bad, very bad evil people.

Didn't Breivik say that wilders thoughts influenced him and their goals are same. Obviously wilders would distance himself from Breivik, and you accept that to be enough ........ but you won't apply the same principle on Muslims.

wilders now whining that it were the death threats that stopped is pure lie, extremists and hate preachers like him don't care for others.

 

[PeaceGen]

And we believe only violent lying oppressors will claim it as a right to insult our holy Prophet.

like i said, you've won on the Prophet-insulting issue.

but you'd better not start using those tactics and strategies outside the field of protecting the public honor of your Prophet and God.

If news articles links are your source of confirmation, then yep ....... Muslims are bad, very bad evil people.

Didn't Breivik say that wilders thoughts influenced him and their goals are same. Obviously wilders would distance himself from Breivik, and you accept that to be enough ........ but you won't apply the same principle on Muslims.

wilders now whining that it were the death threats that stopped is pure lie, extremists and hate preachers like him don't care for others.

actually i do apply the same principle to Muslims.

and i believe people are responsible for their own actions, rather than being allowed to blame their actions on someone who, in their view, gave them an idea or opinion.

 

[El Sidd]

but you'd better not start using those tactics and strategies outside the field of protecting the public honor of your Prophet and God.

We have no such intentions

 

[I.R.A]

and i believe people are responsible for their own actions, rather than being allowed to blame their actions on someone who, in their view, gave them an idea or opinion.

So you thinking that billion plus Muslims issued death threats is what? Contradictory to your own statements and thoughts. You respect our red lines and we respect your's, mutual respect, live, let live and don't provoke, you control your medrassa of wilders and we control our's.

By the way you started with threatening Muslims with might of your army and how death is their ultimate fate. I hope you haven't been listening to wilders lately, or did you attend any of his classes?

 

[PeaceGen]

We have no such intentions

now we're making progress..

good, then maybe i can work on getting Wilders to gain his votes by means other than addressing the wrongs in the Islamic world.

So you thinking that billion plus Muslims issued death threats is what? Contradictory to your own statements and thoughts. You respect our red lines and we respect your's, mutual respect, live, let live and don't provoke, you control your medrassa of wilders and we control our's.

By the way you started with threatening Muslims with might of your army and how death is their ultimate fate. I hope you haven't been listening to wilders lately, or did you attend any of his classes?

that might of our army compared to extremists' armies, is simply the reality of the world. i though you and everyone here should be made aware of that.

but like i explained before, we are not giving up our right to be critical of other cultures.
you don't give up your right to expose behavior by western nations that you think is wrong, why should we towards the Muslim world?

and please understand, i was *always* against insults of Prophets and God.
it's the fact you people seem intent on outlawing all insults against Islam, that has me worried.

 

[El Sidd]

Wilders to gain his votes by means other than addressing the wrongs in the Islamic world.

He can gather votes by any means he wants. We have no intentions of dictating anything. We simply want our human rights protected by a legislation.

Just make sure your parliament does not host any insults to what we consider holy or make it a ritual under the arrogance of your alleged mighty force.

 

[I.R.A]

that might of our army compared to extremists' armies, is simply the reality of the world. i though you and everyone here should be made aware of that.

but like i explained before, we are not giving up our right to be critical of other cultures.
you don't give up your right to expose behavior by western nations that you think is wrong, why should we towards the Muslim world?

and please understand, i was *always* against insults of Prophets and God.
it's the fact you people seem intent on outlawing all insults against Islam, that has me worried.

Are you sure your armies won't turn extremists? There was that US soldier who committed a massacre in Afghanistan, went nuts and killed innocent people, because he was holding the gun and felt frustrated.

There are no objections on your right to criticize the culture, you won't see me arguing with you for positive criticism, there is dearth of positive criticism from your side and understanding our problems. Your solution to our problems is meddling with our affairs, invading countries and then wondering why people migrate to our part of the world and why they hate us.

Islam and its followers are two different things, a follower in his individual capacity may or may not be following Islam, to understand that you need to first understand Islam in its pure form. I am against FGM, but labeling it a practice authorised by Islam is ignorance.

 

[PeaceGen]

He can gather votes by any means he wants. We have no intentions of dictating anything. We simply want our human rights protected by a legislation.

Just make sure your parliament does not host any insults to what we consider holy or make it a ritual under the arrogance of your alleged mighty force.

well then i'm going to need a list of what you consider holy..

Are you sure your armies won't turn extremists? There was that US soldier who committed a massacre in Afghanistan, went nuts and killed innocent people, because he was holding the gun and felt frustrated.

There are no objections on your right to criticize the culture, you won't see me arguing with you for positive criticism, there is dearth of positive criticism from your side and understanding our problems. Your solution to our problems is meddling with our affairs, invading countries and then wondering why people migrate to our part of the world and why they hate us.

Islam and its followers are two different things, a follower in his individual capacity may or may not be following Islam, to understand that you need to first understand Islam in its pure form. I am against FGM, but labeling it a practice authorised by Islam is ignorance.

What happened to that US soldier? Did he face justice back home? If it was in the news papers, there's a good chance he did.

And you force us to meddle with your affairs, by hosting (now even sheltering from drone attacks) in your country those who would attack not just you, but us too.

and what is FGM?

 

[AfrazulMandal]

i fear that threshold to be a line which Muslims like you will want to shift further and further, towards outlawing all criticism of all things Muslim anywhere.

and that's just not going to work at all. if we have to fight you over freedom of speech, you'll find us very fierce in that fight.

That is correct.

Why do you even want to criticise what is perfect? Any such attempt itself is an expression of bigotry.

Go criticise your Church. Keep off Islam.

 

[El Sidd]

well then i'm going to need a list of what you consider holy..

Make a thread. Or a poll.

You will see muslims finding a consensus very quickly and very definite and very reasonable

 

[PeaceGen]

That is correct.

Why do you even want to criticise what is perfect? Any such attempt itself is an expression of bigotry.

Go criticise your Church. Keep off Islam.

We criticize our Church plenty in our media. More than we do the ills of the Islamic world, even.

And Islam is far, far, from perfect. I can describe how in detail, but you just said i couldn't. And that's a real problem. We must allow free speech against us, but not against those who criticize us? That's nonsense, and if you keep up this campaign of intimidation against me, then i'm going to post a few articles about how women are treated by the Taliban and how this is allowed and protected by the current Pakistani government, stuff like that.

 

[El Sidd]

FGM

Really?

Well its female Genital mutilation. Culturally practiced in parts where the dutch plied their slave trade.