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Dozens of Afghan troops defect to Taliban
November 15, 2015

LASHKAR GAH - At least 65 Afghan soldiers have defected to the Taliban, taking their weapons and equipment with them and 88 have been killed in days of heavy fighting in the volatile southern province of Helmand, the local provincial Governor said on Saturday.
The latest losses underline the heavy toll being exacted on Afghan security forces, now fighting largely alone since international troops ended most combat operations last year. Police and soldiers have been engaged in near-continuous combat with insurgents for the past three weeks in the districts of Lashkar Gah, Marjah and Nadali in Helmand, one of the Islamist movement’s traditional strongholds. Although they have so far repelled Taliban efforts to take the provincial capital Lashkar Gah, they have not been able to push back the insurgents decisively from areas around the city. “Soldiers from an Afghan army brigade in Station area have joined the Taliban with their equipment and weapons,” Helmand Governor Mirza Khan Rahimi said.
He said a team had been sent to the town of Sangin to investigate the incident. Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said in a statement that five commanders and 65 army soldiers “repented their mistakes and surrendered to Mujahideen”, bringing five armoured personnel carriers as well as weapons and ammunition.
Since the fall of the key northern city of Kunduz, which the Taliban briefly took over in September, the government of President Ashraf Ghani has come under mounting pressure over the worsening security situation.
Thousands demonstrated in Kabul this week demanding action after seven members of the Hazara ethic minority were brutally executed by militants. On Saturday, more than 1,000 people demonstrated in the western city of Herat, officials said.
Afghan officials say the sharp reduction in surveillance and close air support to troops on the ground has weighed particularly heavily since US forces cut their operational support to their Afghan allies. President Ashraf Ghani repeated the need to strengthen Afghan air defences when he spoke by video conference with US Secretary of Defence Ash Carter on Friday.




Dozens of Afghan troops defect to Taliban
@Zarvan @farhan_9909 @pakistani342 @DESERT FIGHTER @Color_Less_Sky
 
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Dozens of Afghan troops defect to Taliban
November 15, 2015

LASHKAR GAH - At least 65 Afghan soldiers have defected to the Taliban, taking their weapons and equipment with them and 88 have been killed in days of heavy fighting in the volatile southern province of Helmand, the local provincial Governor said on Saturday.
The latest losses underline the heavy toll being exacted on Afghan security forces, now fighting largely alone since international troops ended most combat operations last year. Police and soldiers have been engaged in near-continuous combat with insurgents for the past three weeks in the districts of Lashkar Gah, Marjah and Nadali in Helmand, one of the Islamist movement’s traditional strongholds. Although they have so far repelled Taliban efforts to take the provincial capital Lashkar Gah, they have not been able to push back the insurgents decisively from areas around the city. “Soldiers from an Afghan army brigade in Station area have joined the Taliban with their equipment and weapons,” Helmand Governor Mirza Khan Rahimi said.
He said a team had been sent to the town of Sangin to investigate the incident. Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said in a statement that five commanders and 65 army soldiers “repented their mistakes and surrendered to Mujahideen”, bringing five armoured personnel carriers as well as weapons and ammunition.
Since the fall of the key northern city of Kunduz, which the Taliban briefly took over in September, the government of President Ashraf Ghani has come under mounting pressure over the worsening security situation.
Thousands demonstrated in Kabul this week demanding action after seven members of the Hazara ethic minority were brutally executed by militants. On Saturday, more than 1,000 people demonstrated in the western city of Herat, officials said.
Afghan officials say the sharp reduction in surveillance and close air support to troops on the ground has weighed particularly heavily since US forces cut their operational support to their Afghan allies. President Ashraf Ghani repeated the need to strengthen Afghan air defences when he spoke by video conference with US Secretary of Defence Ash Carter on Friday.




Dozens of Afghan troops defect to Taliban
@Zarvan @farhan_9909 @pakistani342 @DESERT FIGHTER @Color_Less_Sky
Afghan Government should start talks with Afghan Taliban soon otherwise long war would only benefit Afghan Taliban.
 
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I still have to understand what drives these talibani rats to commit the attrocities they commit and then cover it all up and justify it in the name of Islam. It is very unfortunate that the Taliban continue to fight even when Americans have mostly left and they know their fight is only killing local citizens. These arrogant militants should not have any sympathy in our country but unfortunately we Pakistanis support or defend the Afghan Taliban. Aren't the Afghan Taliban doing the same thing the TTP is doing in Pakistan. Then why this sympathy for them?

I think the biggest problem is that we want for Afghanistan something we do not want for ourselves.
 
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Dozens of Afghan troops defect to Taliban
November 15, 2015

LASHKAR GAH - At least 65 Afghan soldiers have defected to the Taliban, taking their weapons and equipment with them and 88 have been killed in days of heavy fighting in the volatile southern province of Helmand, the local provincial Governor said on Saturday.
The latest losses underline the heavy toll being exacted on Afghan security forces, now fighting largely alone since international troops ended most combat operations last year. Police and soldiers have been engaged in near-continuous combat with insurgents for the past three weeks in the districts of Lashkar Gah, Marjah and Nadali in Helmand, one of the Islamist movement’s traditional strongholds. Although they have so far repelled Taliban efforts to take the provincial capital Lashkar Gah, they have not been able to push back the insurgents decisively from areas around the city. “Soldiers from an Afghan army brigade in Station area have joined the Taliban with their equipment and weapons,” Helmand Governor Mirza Khan Rahimi said.
He said a team had been sent to the town of Sangin to investigate the incident. Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said in a statement that five commanders and 65 army soldiers “repented their mistakes and surrendered to Mujahideen”, bringing five armoured personnel carriers as well as weapons and ammunition.
Since the fall of the key northern city of Kunduz, which the Taliban briefly took over in September, the government of President Ashraf Ghani has come under mounting pressure over the worsening security situation.
Thousands demonstrated in Kabul this week demanding action after seven members of the Hazara ethic minority were brutally executed by militants. On Saturday, more than 1,000 people demonstrated in the western city of Herat, officials said.
Afghan officials say the sharp reduction in surveillance and close air support to troops on the ground has weighed particularly heavily since US forces cut their operational support to their Afghan allies. President Ashraf Ghani repeated the need to strengthen Afghan air defences when he spoke by video conference with US Secretary of Defence Ash Carter on Friday.




Dozens of Afghan troops defect to Taliban
@Zarvan @farhan_9909 @pakistani342 @DESERT FIGHTER @Color_Less_Sky


It is also being reported by the long war journal here and VOA here

I guess the important question is: is this a one off event or is this part of a pattern?

The defection, if it did occur was probably "under duress"

The other point to note here is that Ghani sab had a video conference with Sec defense Ash Carter. Sec Ash Carter is known as a brilliant intellectual who does not suffer fools and has been giving blunt messages to the Gulf states -- I wonder what message he had for Ghani sab.

The other point seems to be the Afghan mantra for Air Resources -- I think Gen John F Campbell is reported to have chided Afghan officials that the Taliban don't haven an Air Force and they seem to get their job done.

Things are rough is what I've heard -- oh an interesting note: a few days ago, I ran into one of the senior most UN development officials who spent six years in Afghanistan. We immediately hit it off and are going to connect again -- but two things of note:
1. He did blame the Pakistani Military Establishment for being "unhelpful" and Pakistani government officials in Afghanistan as Paranoid
2. On what he thought of Afghanistan's chances of making it post transition -- he said something to the effect of: almost non-existant. He said that he had spent a lot time in the country side and not just the cities and he said that there are too many people who are just too backward for this nation building project to work.
 
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Mr Ghani better wake up and stop listening to stooges like Karzai before its too late. Pakistan's has given limited time offer. Cash it before Talibs knock at Kabul's doorsteps. After that even Pakistan might be helpless on that issue.
 
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It is also being reported by the long war journal here and VOA here

I guess the important question is: is this a one off event or is this part of a pattern?

The defection, if it did occur was probably "under duress"

The other point to note here is that Ghani sab had a video conference with Sec defense Ash Carter. Sec Ash Carter is knows as a brilliant intellectual who does not suffer fools and has been giving blunt messages to the Gulf states -- I wonder what message he had for Ghani sab.

The other point seems to be the Afghan mantra for Air Resources -- I think Gen John F Campbell is reported to have chided Afghan officials that the Taliban don't haven an Air Force and they seem to get their job done.

Things are rough is what I've heard -- oh an interesting note: a few days ago, I ran into one of the senior most UN development officials who spent six years in Afghanistan. We immediately hit it off and are going to connect again -- but two things of note:
1. He did blame the Pakistani Military Establishment for being "unhelpful" and Pakistani government officials in Afghanistan as Paranoid
2. On what he thought of Afghanistan's chances of making it post transition -- he said something to the effect of: almost non-existant. He said that he had spent a lot time in the country side and not just the cities and he said that there are too many people who are just too backward for this nation building project to work.
I have heard that ANA,s brutal tactics is turning Afghans pro Taliban whats your view?
 
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I have heard that ANA,s brutal tactics is turning Afghans pro Taliban whats your view?

Mmmm, I think it's probably a matter of survival -- information from Afghanistan is a unreliable, like any underdeveloped war zone but what one does get to read in news articles includes :
1. The Taliban harass locals for money (like tax) to support their militancy but the government officials are more corrupt. The militias, (Arbakai, or the fake Arbakai, ALP) are much worse -- in addition to money they start demanding unmarried women and war widows as wives (or something like that). So to a poor villager it can be the the lesser of two evils
2. The government's legal system is very corrupt and slow and sometimes abstract to poor villagers. The Taliban offer a brutal but swift system that does not require bribing officials and one which the Taliban enforce.
3. There are ethnic divisions like in Kunduz where the local militias preyed on Pashtuns so it turned a sizable minority of Pashtuns in Kunduz against the government (and they helped the Taliban). Actually a substantial amount of the subsequent looting and raping may actually have been done by the disenfranchised minorities in the North (or so it is speculated)
4. Loyalties are fluid -- it is famous refrain that Afghans never loose -- towards the end the loosing side joins the winning side and everybody declares victory -- the Afghan version of Win-Win, actually not a bad idea if it ends conflict

How much of the above is true is anybody's guess. The only thing that perhaps can be said with some degree of certainty by a layman outsider like me is that that news out of Afghanistan does not add up.
 
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Possible Reaction of Afghans (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation)

1. Pakistan is Responsible for this Incident
2. Pakistan is letting these Coward soldiers into Afghanistan
3. Pakistan Must do more to ensure Such incidents won't happen on Afghan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) Soil
4. Afghanistan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) asks for Indian help
5. International community must take Notice of Pakistan
6. Afghans (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) will Invest more to Destabilize Pakistan through KPK FATA and Baluchistan to make sure such incidents won't happen in Afghanistan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation)
 
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Possible Reaction of Afghans (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation)

1. Pakistan is Responsible for this Incident
2. Pakistan is letting these Coward soldiers into Afghanistan
3. Pakistan Must do more to ensure Such incidents won't happen on Afghan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) Soil
4. Afghanistan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) asks for Indian help
5. International community must take Notice of Pakistan
6. Afghans (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) will Invest more to Destabilize Pakistan through KPK FATA and Baluchistan to make sure such incidents won't happen in Afghanistan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation)

Itni bar "NAMAK HARAM" and "HARAM KHOR" bolke apne kkya emphasize kiyaa sirkar ?
 
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Possible Reaction of Afghans (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation)

1. Pakistan is Responsible for this Incident
2. Pakistan is letting these Coward soldiers into Afghanistan
3. Pakistan Must do more to ensure Such incidents won't happen on Afghan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) Soil
4. Afghanistan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) asks for Indian help
5. International community must take Notice of Pakistan
6. Afghans (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation) will Invest more to Destabilize Pakistan through KPK FATA and Baluchistan to make sure such incidents won't happen in Afghanistan (NAMAK HARAAM and HARAAM KHOOR Nation)

You have been reported!

PS : Get a life and learn some manners on how to operate in PDF

I still have to understand what drives these talibani rats to commit the attrocities they commit and then cover it all up and justify it in the name of Islam. It is very unfortunate that the Taliban continue to fight even when Americans have mostly left and they know their fight is only killing local citizens. These arrogant militants should not have any sympathy in our country but unfortunately we Pakistanis support or defend the Afghan Taliban. Aren't the Afghan Taliban doing the same thing the TTP is doing in Pakistan. Then why this sympathy for them?

I think the biggest problem is that we want for Afghanistan something we do not want for ourselves.

Makes you think :)
 
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It seems Afghan soldiers are sensing the return of Taliban in power. We might see more defections from Afghan security forces in the near future.
 
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