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Things are going great with India -- don't screw it up.

That's the bottom line in a report from the influential Center for Strategic and International Studies entitled "US-India Military Engagement: Steady As They Go," which the think tank previewed today as President Obama tours through Asia.

"[Go] slow and steady, and the trajectory is inevitably upward," summed up report author S. Amer Latif in an exchange with AOL Defense after today's briefing. (Latif, a Pentagon official on loan to CSIS as a visiting scholar, emphasized he was speaking for himself, not for the Department of Defense. But he is returning to the Office of the Secretary of Defense in a few weeks and he is an influential voice on policy). "The relationship is going to move at a pace that's comfortable for India."

"It's important that we realize how far we've come," retired Adm. Walter Doran, the former commander of Pacific Fleet, told the audience at CSIS, "lest it succumb to the fatigue and the frustration that is flowing around the overall relationship." Doran, who attended India's Defense Services Staff College as a young officer in 1979, is more familiar with the subcontinental pace than most US officers. Now is the time, he said, to "reignite" the US-India relationship.

US outreach to populous, growing, democratic India has increased in parallel to American anxiety about the rise of populous, growing authoritarian China. But India has a 60-year tradition of "non-alignment" in great power quarrels and is hesitant even to project power in its own immediate region.

So while New Delhi has its own worries about Beijing -- the two countries even fought a brief and, for India, humiliating border war in 1962 -- and an increasing assertive regional stance, it has no interest in becoming Washington's wingman in a Pacific strategy of containment. Indian's security apparatus is more concerned about internal ethnic unrest, terrorism, and neighboring Pakistan than it is about global or even regional geopolitics. Despite common values of democracy and diversity, despite a common heritage of British colonization and the English language, the US and India remain deeply different countries with divergent strategic goals. As anyone who's been to Calcutta could tell you, Australia it ain't.

Latif's report boils down to cautious optimism, with equal emphasis on "optimism" and on "cautious." Despite American frustrations that things are progressing too slowly and Indian anxieties that they're moving too fast, cooperation with India has gone farther than "most knowledgeable observers" would ever have predicted ten years ago, he writes, and we can go still further -- so don't blow it up by pushing them too hard. Again and again, Latif repeats that the US must have "reasonable expectations," "modest expectations," and must "refrain from pressuring India about [formal] defense agreements" or even from "overpublicizing military engagement" that already goes on.

There's certainly a lot of military engagement to publicize. After decades of estrangement and suspicion, when the US armed India's arch-rival Pakistan while India bought Soviet weapons, India now conducts more military exercises with the US than it does with any other nation. That's especially remarkable considering that the US and India didn't engage in exercises together at all until 1992, and that just six years later, in 1998, the US imposed sanctions on both India and Pakistan after their dueling nuclear tests -- sanctions which George W. Bush waived within two weeks of 9/11 as he sought regional support against Afghanistan.

Latif attributes the turnaround less to the assiduous diplomatic outreach by both the Bush and Obama administrations than to the trial by fire of the December 2004 tsunami, which brought US and Indian commanders together in doing disaster relief.

Doran commanded the Pacific Fleet at the time -- and one of his former classmates from the staff college, Adm. Arun Prakash, was India's Chief of Naval staff. "We were all scrambling," Doran recalled. "There was no [formal] command apparatus that we were working under," he said. Yet, in the crucible of a natural disaster, the two sides came together, improvised, and cooperated in a way no formal process could have produced, he said: "If our two governments had decided to sit down and do this, it would've been difficult and would've taken a much longer period of time."

Just months later, the two nations signed a landmark military cooperation agreement and joint exercises began to take off. US-Indian cooperation, historically led by the two nations' navies, has even expanded to their respective air forces and armies -- although, Latif added, in those areas "the strategic underpinnings of the relationship are a little bit more nebulous," with few specific scenarios for cooperation in the air or on the ground as opposed to at sea. Disaster relief and humanitarian aid, Latif argues, provide the most fertile ground for the US and India to build cooperation and trust across all their armed services without triggering India's decades-long anxieties about military alliances.

It's Indian politicians and civil servants, not the officer corps, that Latif sees as the obstacles to engagement. In particular, "the civilian bureaucracy in the Ministry of Defense is an impediment to closer US-India ties," he said at CSIS, eliciting knowing chuckles around the room. "We consistently found when you talk to the services [i.e. the uniformed military], there is a hunger, there is a great desire to see closer service-to-service relations. But unfortunately, the civilian overseers within the Indian bureaucracy have some reservations."

Indeed, the Ministry of Defense is not only reluctant about closer cooperation but just plain understaffed to conduct it. Latif recommends the MOD set up a high-level policy shop to serve as a counterpart and interlocutor for the Office of the Secretary of Defense. (He may be grinding a personal axe here, since Latif was OSD's chief policy official engaging with India for years).

Latif also urges new avenues for collaboration ranging from training more Afghan soldiers and police in India (already underway at a low level) to cooperating on tracking space debris. His most significant recommendations include more exchanges of officers between the US and Indian militaries, joint patrols in the Indian Ocean, and even granting India access to the US mega-base at Diego Garcia in return for US access to India's strategically located Andaman and Nicobar Islands. But the US should not expect a formal agreement on, say, logistical support any time soon, Latif cautions, and pushing for one could backfire.

So while the US should try to move the relationship onto a more permanent, institutional footing than the ongoing military exercises, "the Indian side may not feel that such a transition is necessary," he writes. "India feels that military engagement is going quite well and there is no need for further activity [because] the relationship has reached a plateau." The strategic task for the US is to urge India onwards and upwards towards greater collaboration, without trying to tackle slopes so steep that the relationship tumbles back downhill.

"The US-India relationship is going to be a generational issue," said Adm. Doran. "As Americans, that's kind of a difficult pill for us to swallow; we tend to want to move quickly.... This will not develop that way. This is going to be a generational issue -- but it is worth a generation of work."

Don't Push India To Build Anti-China Alliance: OSD Official
 
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India WILL NOT go into Anti-China Alliance until China Does Something Harmful to Our National Sovereignty and Integrity .

And India Will never Ditch Russia and Group for U.S. under present Circumstances .
 
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And what is China doing with Pakistan since 1960s?

That is Not Our Concern . We have Russia for that , Also Our Look East policy is Giving A country serious case of GAS .
 
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That is Not Our Concern . We have Russia for that , Also Our Look East policy is Giving A country serious case of GAS .

No. It is India's concern. That alliance is the most harmful India can think about. India is preparing for a two-front war investing billions congnizant of that alliance. India can standalone against one or the other considering its military strength but when it is a two front war, it becomes that more difficult for Indian forces to defend.

Not to mention that China arms Pakistan and is becoming the primary supplier to Pakistan. I can quote more in terms of diplomatic support at the UN etc but the two points will give a perspective.
 
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Weather India say it or not, the fact remains that India & many other countries of Asia are in process of forming an anti-China front since a more aggressive China is giving them sleepless nights, recent actions of China hasn't helped either be it border incursions in India, claiming entire SCS, recent spat with Phillipines & Japan over island disputes, etc.

Now India, Japan, Australia, US, Vietnam & some other east Asian countries that are worried over more assertive China is forming a secret alliance so that the Asian future can be a more balanced one rather than dominated by China alone, ofcourse they are not forming another NATO but they are somewhat reaching to an understanding that can make each country more comfortable.
 
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No. It is India's concern. That alliance is the most harmful India can think about. India is preparing for a two-front war investing billions congnizant of that alliance. India can standalone against one or the other considering its military strength but when it is a two front war, it becomes that more difficult for Indian forces to defend.

Not to mention that China arms Pakistan and is becoming the primary supplier to Pakistan. I can quote more in terms of diplomatic support at the UN etc but the two points will give a perspective.

Did you know that the country you live in (America) gives billions of dollars every year in military aid to Pakistan?

And we don't?

Isn't it strange how you guys never seem to have a problem with that?
 
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Did you know that the country you live in (America) gives billions of dollars every year in military aid to Pakistan?

And we don't?

Isn't it strange how you guys never seem to have a problem with that?

That aid is meager compared to what Chinese have provided to Pakistan.
 
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Did you know that the country you live in (America) gives billions of dollars every year in military aid to Pakistan?

And we don't?

Isn't it strange how you guys never seem to have a problem with that?

CD - The topic at hand is about China and India. But you have brought up the topic about US - here is what it is - US and China were two enemies of India since the cold war days. But post coldwar, US stance has changed significantly wrt to India and how it looks at India. India has stood to gain from US in many ways - one significant example, the removal of pariah status of India among the NSG group. While US is giving out billions to Pakistan for two reasons - ally since the cold war days and for war on terror. If U.S had ditched Pakistan, I would be suspicious about U.S being a proper ally.

As far as China is concerned, it has not done a squat wrt its relations with India.

So you see the difference?
 
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Did you know that the country you live in (America) gives billions of dollars every year in military aid to Pakistan?

And we don't?

Isn't it strange how you guys never seem to have a problem with that?

Money is a secondary problem, the Americans don't have a border dispute with us. This is where I believe that China has played its cards poorly. It should have settled the border issues with a bit of give & take, simply because it didn't need to antagonise the one country in Asia that could be a military counterweight. Had China been a little more careful, there would have been no talk of India in an anti-China alliance. The Indian reaction is primarily a response to what is perceived as Chinese aggressiveness and the fact that China has done this pretty much across the board has actually made the Chinese position more tenuous because the Americans are now being invited to stay in Asia as a friend to many. China had its chance & blew it.
 
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Money is a secondary problem, the Americans don't have a border dispute with us. This is where I believe that China has played its cards poorly. It should have settled the border issues with a bit of give & take, simply because it didn't need to antagonise the one country in Asia that could be a military counterweight. Had China been a little more careful, there would have been no talk of India in an anti-China alliance. The Indian reaction is primarily a response to what is perceived as Chinese aggressiveness and the fact that China has done this pretty much across the board has actually made the Chinese position more tenuous because the Americans are now being invited to stay in Asia as a friend to many. China had its chance & blew it.

LOL, we offered to exchange recognition of Arunachal Pradesh for recognition of Aksai Chin.

It was Nehru who rejected that offer, because he believed that both territories belonged to India, and he refused to negotiate.

In contrast, we settled all of our other "land-border" disputes in that period. Apart from India, we have no land-border disputes, only maritime (sea-based) disputes.
 
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India WILL NOT go into Anti-China Alliance until China Does Something Harmful to Our National Sovereignty and Integrity .

And India Will never Ditch Russia and Group for U.S. under present Circumstances .
FYI..China is doing that by arming Pakistan to the teeth. And it is going on and on.This reason is good enough to stay away from china
 
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LOL, we offered to exchange recognition of Arunachal Pradesh for recognition of Aksai Chin.

It was Nehru who rejected that offer, because he believed that both territories belonged to India, and he refused to negotiate.

In contrast, we settled all of our other "land-border" disputes in that period. Apart from India, we have no land-border disputes, only maritime (sea-based) disputes.



I was referring to the recent past. I'm not discussing the merits of the border question in as much as how China has played its cards in the last few years. I believe they have played a very poor hand, feel free to think differently. My point was in relation to the subject under discussion and not the history of the border issue.
 
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Its the time China and India should work together . India will not take any pole .
 
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It's no secret that Pakistanis got their missiles from China and even their nuclear bomb... I would say, let's help vietnam go nuclear..

Believe me, a loose cannon like vietnam is much more in India's interest than a friendship with China.. As much as i hate it, India and China friendship is a non starter..
 
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