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Does the West Have A “Genetic Interest” In Supporting China’s Uyghurs?

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There’s an old stereotype that “all Chinese people look the same.” However, what people really mean is that Han Chinese people, who make up 91% of the population of the People’s Republic of China, look the same. There are also 55 officially-recognized ethnic minorities in China. And then there are ethnic minorities whom the Chinese government refuses to recognize. This is usually because they are Turkic peoples who are genetically very different from the Han and don’t like being ruled by them. One of these unrecognized ethnic minorities: 11.3 million-strong Muslim “Uyghur.” They have effectively been in rebellion against Han occupation for centuries. And, genetically, they are, to a great extent, white. (Right, via Wikipedia, a Uyghur girl in Turpan, Xinjiang, China.)

Why are the Uyghurs in the news so much? Why is our government trying to pressure the Chinese to stop abusing Uyghur “human rights”? [Top US diplomat keeps up pressure on China over Muslim Uighurs, Aljazeera, October 10, 2019, ]. How did the Uyghur become such an irritant to the Beijing regime?


The Uyghur, known until the 1930s simply as the Turki, have repeatedly risen up against their East Asian Han overlords, inevitable because they are genetically and culturally very different from the Han. It has been demonstrated that the more genetically different two ethnic groups are, the more likely they are fight against each other [see Ethnic Conflicts, by Tatu Vanhanen]. Essentially, there has been continuous unrest in the Northwest province of Xinjiang, where the China’s Uyghur mainly live, since 1931. This province, once overwhelmingly Uyghur, is now only 45% Uyghur—and 40% Han. Its capital city, Urumqi, is now 75% Han and only 12.8% Uyghur.

These massive demographic changes reflect a deliberate Han government policy of overwhelming Xinjiang, and especially its capital, with Han immigrants so that the Uyghur will completely lose control of their territory, be absorbed into Han culture, and stop being a quasi-white thorn in the Han regime’s side.

In contrast, intense restrictions are not imposed on the Muslim “Hui,” as the Hui are not in rebellion and are genetically closely related to the Han [Genetic substructure and forensic characteristics of Chinese Hui populations using 157 Y-SNPs and 27 Y-STRs, By Mingkung Xie et al., FSI Genetics, 2019]) so the Han are prepared to tolerate them.

But, unlike the Hui, Uyghur cannot set up schools to educate their children in Islam. If they work for the state, they are not given facilities to fast during Ramadan. Uyghur must l ive in gated communities with police check points. QR codes (computer-readable barcodes) must be attached to the doors of their dwellings so that the police can easily check who is authorised to be there [The race card, The Economist, September 3, 2016].

The current unrest began in 2009 with the “Shaoguan Incident” in southeast China. Uyghur migrant workers in a toy factory were accused of sexually assaulting a Han woman. This triggered a riot by Han Chinese, with at least two Uyghur men killed and about 118 injured.

In turn, his set off a riot in Urumqi, involving at least 1000 furious Uyghur. Officially, 197 people were killed, almost all of them Han. The Beijing government clamped down on the province with renewed ferocity, including an immediate media blackout and the militarization of the entire region. Over 1000 people were arrested and by February 2010, at least 26 people had been executed. According to the Chinese government, 476 Han in the province were stabbed with hypodermic needles by Uyghur terrorists.

Ever since, the Turkestan Islamic Party, among other groups, has waged a bloody terrorist campaign against the Han and there have been many other deadly riots. In March 2014, Uyghur terrorists stabbed 141 random Han at Kunming Railway Station in southwest China, killing 31 people. The next month, terrorists blew themselves up at Urumqi station, killing three Han. In February 2017, three of them knifed 5 Han to death, before being killed by the police .

In 2017, the Chinese government got really serious with mass arrests, and perhaps as many as 3 million people detained in “re-education camps” where they are compulsorily taught Chinese and generally broken down .

So, who exactly are the Uyghur? According to the most up-to-date research, they are a genetic “cline” between “European” and “East Asian.” Specifically, in Hotan in northern Xianjiang, they are about 60% genetically European and 40% genetically East Asian. In the south of Xinjiang, Uyghurs are around 52% genetically European [Analysis of Genomic Admixture in Uyghur and Its Implication in Mapping Strategy, by Shuhua Xu et al., American Journal of Human Genetics, 2008].

Of course, these are only averages. They imply that a minority of Uyghur are considerably more than 60% genetically European—explaining why some of them, with their blond hair and blue eyes, wouldn’t look out of place in Northeastern Europe.

Genetics researcher Razib Khan has theorized that Indo-Europeans made their way to what is now Northwest China about 4000 years ago, led there by the search for fresh farming pastures [Uighurs are Hybrids, By Razib Khan, Discovery Magazine, March 28, 2003]. This explains why the region’s Tarim Mummies, which are about 2000 years old, are conspicuously Caucasian, much to the embarrassment of Beijing [The Dead Tell A Tale China Doesn’t Care To Listen To, by Edward Wong, New York Times, November 18, 2008].

World traveler Linda Thom visited Xinjiang in 2007, and wrote, at the time of the riots, that:


The mummies are Europeans, not Han Chinese.

Although there are hundreds of mummies, perhaps the two most famous are “Cherchen Man” and the “Loulan Beauty”, which my husband and I saw in the provincial museum in Urumqi in 2007. Cherchen man dates from 1000 BC. He has red hair, is about 5′ 10″ tall and has a decidedly European face. Loulan Beauty, among the oldest mummies, has light brown hair and again looks European, not Chinese.

Beside the Loulan Beauty’s case, an artist drew a picture (right) of how beautiful she may have been because the Uighurs have adopted her as a symbol of their people. She looks like them, not Chinese.

DNA samples do not completely support this view—the Uighurs are a Turkic people—but whatever else they are, the mummies are not Han Chinese.


Approximately 2500 years ago, an East Asian people came to this area and intermixed with the Indo-European population. The result was the Uyghur people seen in China today.

By the ninth century, the Uyghurs were ruled by the Tiele, a confederation of Turkic tribes. By the tenth century, these Turkic tribes had converted to Islam and by the seventeenth century, the Uyghurs’ gradual conversion to Islam was complete as well. Originally, they had likely spoken an Indo-European language. Now they spoke a Turkic dialect which, to this day, is written in Arabic script in China. But the Uyghur are only linguistically, not genetically, a Turkic people. Subsequently the Uyghurs spread out from China and are now also found in Turkey, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, with growing numbers of refugees in the West.

In the 12th century, much of the area which the Uyghurs inhabited—Uyghurstan—came under the rule of the Mongols. Then, in the seventeenth century, most of it passed to to the Han Chinese. Thus the Uyghur town of Ush rebelled in 1765, due to Han raping their women. As a result, the townsmen were massacred, and the women and children enslaved. After the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1912, the Uyghurs twice set up a Soviet-backed East Turkestan Republic, but it was twice crushed by the Chinese.

The persecution of the Uyghurs raises difficult questions. On the one hand, the Han Chinese, like Western Europeans and North Americans, are under attack from Islamic terrorists, who slaughter their people. The Uyghur do this because they want their homeland back, but so do Palestinians (from their perspective). Muslims who have emigrated to the West might simply want the West to “submit” to them, but they often claim to be motivated by Western incursions into Islamic countries, such as the presence of the US military in Saudi Arabia. Should we, therefore, sympathize with the Han who, like us, are trying to protect themselves from Islamic violence?

On the other hand, however, the Han are persecuting viciously what is, to a significant degree, a European minority in China (albeit one that has adopted Islam). The Han are persecuting “our people”—they are interfering with our “genetic interests,” because it’s inherently in our “genetic interests” that there should be more of our group and that we occupy more land. (This argument is developed by Australian academic Frank Salter in his 2003 book On Genetic Interests).

As the Chinese become increasingly becoming aggressive in a new Cold War, perhaps this “genetic interest” will tip the balance in favor of our siding with China’s quasi-European minority

http://www.unz.com/article/does-the-west-have-a-genetic-interest-in-supporting-chinas-uyghurs/
 
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Yup, Uigyur is somewhat a mix between Caucasian and East Asian, That kind of mix is also found in almost all Turkic tribes. When I saw Indonesia vs China basketball team in Asian Games last year, I saw a man who is not exactly like Chinese, and the man is actually an Uigyur, he's name is Abudussalamu Abudurexiti.

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Ugyur woman
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https://ir.usembassy.gov/a-tale-of-torture-in-a-chinese-internment-camp-for-uighurs/

But some look more East Asian though but with bigger eyes

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Despite that, I dont think that the west is vocal to Chinese due to Uigyur Caucasian feature though. The thing that I see become the reason is that because the West is not afraid on China. They can criticize China what ever they want. They can do it because they are strong and united (Nato, European Union). Second reason is because class of civilization is happening now between Western civilization vs China civilization, so they tend to bash China every time they have reason to do so.

Muslim nations on the other hand is reluctant to criticize China despite they see some restriction happening on their Uigyurs brothers. Muslim nations are not united and many of them are fighting each other, this is why Muslim nations become weak. The conditions that has already stated by our prophet.
 
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Yup, Uigyur is somewhat a mix between Caucasian and East Asian, That kind of mix is also found in almost all Turkic tribes. When I saw Indonesia vs China basketball team in Asian Games last year, I saw a man who is not exactly like Chinese, and the man is actually an Uigyur, he's name is Abudussalamu Abudurexiti.

60950-3-5d6d6d712eaf23l.jpg


Ugyur woman
Uyghur-Woman-1-1068x684.jpg


https://ir.usembassy.gov/a-tale-of-torture-in-a-chinese-internment-camp-for-uighurs/

But some look more East Asian though but with bigger eyes

Dilraba Dilmurat
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Dilraba-Dilmurat.jpg


Despite that, I dont think that the west is vocal to Chinese due to Uigyur Caucasian feature though. The thing that I see become the reason is that because the West is not afraid on China. They can criticize China what ever they want. They can do it because they are strong and united (Nato, European Union). Second reason is because class of civilization is happening now between Western civilization vs China civilization, so they tend to bash China every time they have reason to do so.

Muslim nations on the other hand is reluctant to criticize China despite they see some restriction happening on their Uigyurs brothers. Muslim nations are not united and many of them are fighting each other, this is why Muslim nations become weak. The conditions that has already stated by our prophet.
They are beautiful people... no doubt about it .

Muslim nations on the other hand is reluctant to criticize China despite they see some restriction happening on their Uigyurs brothers. Muslim nations are not united and many of them are fighting each other, this is why Muslim nations become weak. The conditions that has already stated by our prophet.
Bro, when will Indonesia support Kashmiris? Just asking because we all love talking about unity, Isn't it?
 
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They are beautiful people... no doubt about it .


Bro, when will Indonesia support Kashmiris? Just asking because we all love talking about unity, Isn't it?

Currently we are neutral and calls to both side to solve dispute through diplomatic means, but if you see the tone of this government news agency article, it is clear that we criticize India with its latest move in Kashmir and the news tone is sided with Pakistan.

https://en.antaranews.com/news/1305...icting-parties-to-placate-tensions-in-kashmir
 
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So much for the lecture on unity and Islam. Thank you :)

You must understand that current Indonesia President comes from a party (PDI-P) who wants to see more secular Indonesia. He is not an Islamist so dont hope too much on him in term of Muslim Brotherhood things. Despite so, his government did criticizes China handling on Uigyur and his administration keep continuously supporting Palestine.

From Wiki
The party's centre-left ideology is based on the official Indonesian national philosophy, Pancasila.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Democratic_Party_of_Struggle

But as Indonesian people are becoming more religious, thanks to Allah, so I predict that starting from the next election (2024) Indonesia will be lead by Islamist, particularly if Islamist has a good candidate with a good program.
 
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You must understand that current Indonesia President comes from a party (PDI-P) who wants to see more secular Indonesia. He is not an Islamist so dont hope too much on him in term of Muslim Brotherhood things. Despite so, his government did criticizes China handling on Uigyur and continuously support Palestine.

From Wiki
The party's centre-left ideology is based on the official Indonesian national philosophy, Pancasila.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Democratic_Party_of_Struggle

But as Indonesian people are becoming more religious, thanks to Allah, so I predict that starting from the next election (2024) Indonesia will be lead by Islamist, particularly if Islamist has a good candidate with a good program.
I would say that current Indonesian govt is still better than those who awarded Modi with awards and announced big investments in India after this inhuman and unilateral act by the terrorist Gangadeshi govt.
 
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No Uyghurs aren't white and no one here considers them so. The west's interest in the uyghurs "plight" is a result of the neocon/neoliberal establishment that wishes to destabilise China with petty concerns over human rights.

You guys need to learn that the west doesn't have ethnic concerns about their own people. Hence the immigration crisis and declining demographics.
 
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You must understand that current Indonesia President comes from a party (PDI-P) who wants to see more secular Indonesia. He is not an Islamist so dont hope too much on him in term of Muslim Brotherhood things. Despite so, his government did criticizes China handling on Uigyur and his administration keep continuously supporting Palestine.

From Wiki
The party's centre-left ideology is based on the official Indonesian national philosophy, Pancasila.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Democratic_Party_of_Struggle

But as Indonesian people are becoming more religious, thanks to Allah, so I predict that starting from the next election (2024) Indonesia will be lead by Islamist, particularly if Islamist has a good candidate with a good program.

Can you define your view on why IND is becoming more religious, on what basis, what make you think such thing?

Ps: don't take it as a defensive Q... it isn't... it's a genuine one.
 
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Same again: Do you paycheck trolls actually read these articles you dump at all or just copy whatever is recommended to you by Google based on your search habits when typing in "China+collapse" and other keywords?
 
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Can you define your view on why IND is becoming more religious, on what basis, what make you think such thing?

Ps: don't take it as a defensive Q... it isn't... it's a genuine one.

There are several parameter that I use to show increasing religiosity on Indonesian people

1. The percentage of Women who wear hijab is rapidly increasing. The random photo below shows military soldiers with their wife. And you can see that majority of Indonesian soldier wife wear hijab now (2019). This is only an example on one particular segment on Indonesian society.

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2. Praying commitment (you can see more detail on pew research (2012 data) and from what I see is that in the last 5 years the number of white collar worker who pray in the mosque are increasing rapidly. They actually can pray at their office building where they work but the number who choose to go down and walk to the mosque to pray are increasing so that you can see a mosque is full for Dhuhur and Ashar prayer. Shubuh prayer is also full particularly in high density neighborhood where lower middle class people live.

https://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-2-religious-commitment/


3. Politics. Islam as issue in election getting bigger in term of its important.

After reformation (1998) Indonesian Islamist (PKS, PAN, PPP) always make a coalition with a center right Nationalist party (Golkar, Demokrat) to fight center left Nationalist party (PDI-P) who make a coalition with traditional Islam party (PKB) and other center Nationalist party (Gerindra). We have several presidential election since 2004 and Islamist and center right Nationalist party always won until 2009 election. Islam becomes the issue but still in moderate way as candidate charisma and program is the main reason who make people chose side at that time.

And starting from 2014 election the condition changes as center left Nationalist party (PDIP) has popular and charismatic leader which is Jokowi. Islamist and center right party lost but with a very narrow margin (1-2 percent). The issue of Islam was used more and polarization between conservative Islam vs Nationalist is getting bigger. Jokowi also pick Yusuf Kalla, a prominent Muslim leader to be his VP to improve its image among conservative Muslim.

In 2019 election, Golkar change side and support Jokowi (center left). Islam is wildly used on the campaign and each side try to show that they are supporting Muslim agenda. Both side use polling company so that the reason of why Islam become so important in their campaign look like coming from scientific survey. Islamist support Prabowo and center left Nationalist and Islam traditional party (PKB) support Jokowi. Jokowi pick an Islamist leader, Ma'ruf Amin, who is the chairmant of Indonesia Ulema Council (MUI) to show he is supporting Muslim agenda. Jokowi also show that he is a pious Muslim by showing he pray at home, become imam in a mosque, made a TV adds which show he is doing shalawat, do Umrah after campaign is over.

Jokowi Umrah just several days before election


Jokowi TV adds campaign


On the other side Prabowo (supported by Islamist) made a final campaign in Jakarta and this is the first time in Indonesian history where a political campaign is started with Tahajjud prayer and Fajr prayer in the largest stadium in Indonesia. The campaign is started in the morning but the supporters have already came at night.

Tahajjud prayer before campaigning in the morning.


Fajr prayer before campaigning in the morning


Campaign in the morning


The Islamist is lost due to Jokowi program who is more rational and as incumbent Jokowi is actually successful with his massive infrastructure project during his first term. Even me who can be called as Islamist voted for Jokowi two times, it is because I see economic as something more important to pursue for Indonesia until 2024. Prabowo (and the Islamist) on the other hand use popular policy like low oil price, increase civil servant salary significantly, low electricity price, defense budget increase etc that can burden our economy and not good for long term development of the country. Despite this, they still have loyal voters from some province who are the follower of Islam Modernist (which are close with Wahhabi teaching).

Religiosity is increasing I think due to television channels which have regular Islamic da'wah program and many people spreading Islam da'wah through facebook and particularly Whatsapp. There are also many da'wah Youtube channels. For your information, Islam was suppressed during Soeharto time and liberated after we embrace democracy (1998). Islamization on education is also happening after 1998 and I am quite surprised that Today even kindergarten kids are already introduced with hijab. During my school time female student are never introduced with hijab even until high school.
 
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Now the west is about to play race card against China, not long ago, some western articles claimed what worries the west most is that China is the first non white world power emerged first time in the last 3 hundred years.
 
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