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Do you agree with the APC decision to hold talks with the Taliban?


Go ask the mothers, wives, daughters, fathers, brothers, sons of the 3,019 shaheeds & 9,681 wounded army and FC officers and soldiers and they will tell the politicians to ‘go to hell’.
 
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Well, answering your short question, no. No negotiations should take place while these people keep on fighting with us, keep on sending suicide bombers, keep on kidnapping people etc. We should blast these people to hell. There were rumors that NW op was discussed in a Corp Commander meeting recently and will also be discussed in a DCC meeting.

And if negotiations are to take place, they should be on our demands, not of theirs.

As for the APC, they include Maulana Diesel and JUI etc...so I wouldn't give their views too much weight.
 
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Do you agree with the APC decision to hold talks with the Taliban?


Go ask the mothers, wives, daughters, fathers, brothers, sons of the 3,019 shaheeds & 9,681 wounded army and FC officers and soldiers and they will tell the politicians to ‘go to hell’.


Hell no there should be no negotiations with talibans of any kind...... Maybe ot; but It has always perplexed me how haspakistani govt and people on the forum alike have insisted on afghans to talk to taliban after what it did to them?
 
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True indeed... after losing 40,000+ people to them, we should hold talks with them????

In this era, Sri Lanka is the best example we can have to deal with terrorism and insurgency!
 
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Do you agree with the APC decision to hold talks with the Taliban?
Go ask the mothers, wives, daughters, fathers, brothers, sons of the 3,019 shaheeds & 9,681 wounded army and FC officers and soldiers and they will tell the politicians to ‘go to hell’.


Depends -- The condition of these talks is the TTP's acceptance of Pakistani law and constitution -- The TTP's response, if it is rejection of this condition, will mean that Pakistan now have political consensus on the need to fight terror and the "officials" (I don't want to say Army and ISI) will not be able to save their proxies and must go after them.

On the other hand, it's election time and new administration - now if PTI and JI, which did not attend the APC, if they should be any kind of significant political force, may try to break this consensus on behalf of "hidden hand" parties, so to speak, but I think we all know who those might be - and this APC decision may constrain them.

On the other hand, depending on how the TTP respond, there is a possibility that this decision will prove the undoing of the idea of Pakistan.

As for the Pakistan Army thirsting for Islamist blood - a bit too rich for me.
 
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Do you agree with the APC decision to hold talks with the Taliban?


Go ask the mothers, wives, daughters, fathers, brothers, sons of the 3,019 shaheeds & 9,681 wounded army and FC officers and soldiers and they will tell the politicians to ‘go to hell’.

you forgot to mention how Generals would feel if coalition funds would seize ?

oh and above that you seriously forgot to mention the 40,000 civilians killed in between this war ?



P.S.

"Talks" is always the first priority of a civilized world rest is all military mentality !!
 
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you forgot to mention how Generals would feel if coalition funds would seize ?

oh and above that you seriously forgot to mention the 40,000 civilians killed in between this war ?



P.S.

"Talks" is always the first priority of a civilized world rest is all military mentality !!

so you consider the taliban to be 'civilised' and going by your theory, i see the 'civilised' nations of the US, Nato 'holding talks' in iraq, afghanistan, mali as their 1st priority - more like the last priority after destroying these nations.
 
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It has been said on this very forum by experienced members that such organizations use these periods of lull to rearm and regroup so Pakistan shouldn't hold any talks with TTP. You should eliminate them with extreme prejudice and bring back normality.
 
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A difficult proposition, it has been pointed out before that there are elements in the PA and ISI which support and fund proxies.. After all the politicians can only demand action.
 
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No negotiations with Anti-state terrorists. They should be disarmed and punished according to law or killed in encounters.
 
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Well, Thank God, Military still believes otherwise.

Responding to the offer of conditional talks put up by the militants, the military commanders reportedly rejected it, saying that the possibility of calling off military operations in Fata is linked with militants’ unconditional surrender and their allegiance to Pakistan’s statehood. “They have to show willingness through action otherwise there’s no way ahead,” said a military officer.

Army links talks to Taliban disarming

They have learnt from their experience in Swat.
 
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so you consider the taliban to be 'civilised' and going by your theory, i see the 'civilised' nations of the US, Nato 'holding talks' in iraq, afghanistan, mali as their 1st priority - more like the last priority after destroying these nations.

no, i dont, I consider us to be civilized !! if war is your priority, go out on streets and take views about taliban and pak army... you have to use brains, rationality, not some stupid emotions,

for already lost 45,000 plus people we should not take the risk of making 180 million suffer hell for the rest of their lives... economically devastated !

you are country where army is fighting on coalition fund, the day that stops, the day war mongers balloon would bust... so before giving examples of NATO etc, be atleast Italy !!
 
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After the ANP successfully made the issue a national issue, the ISI gloves have come off:


TTP says ANP all-parties conference was an election move, which will mean making an example of ANP and by doing so, to cull the herd
By Tahir Khan
Published: February 15, 2013

A file photo of Taliban fighters. PHOTO: AFP

ISLAMABAD: The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) said Friday that the conference of religious and political leaders, sponsored by the Awami National Party (ANP) has ‘failed to come up with a road-map for peace dialogue’ and that the moot was an ‘election’ move.

Nearly 24 political and religious parties on Thursday recommended that talks with the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) should be the ‘first priority’ in any strategy to restore peace in the country.

“The ANP’s conference communique was nothing but old sentences and stories,” said TTP spokesperson, Ehsanullah Ehsan, while reading a statement, issued by the group’s political council, via phone.

He also said the Jamaat-e-Islami’s boycott will remain a question mark on the credibility of the conference, adding that the TTP political council met at an undisclosed location following the ANP’s moot to discuss its recommendations.

“We still await a serious and result-oriented response from the security forces and the government to our dialogue offer,” Ehsanullah said, claiming that the offer was made for “Islam and in the country’s interests.”

“It is not the sign of our weakness,” he quickly added from a written statement, he read out in Urdu.

The TTP spokesperson lashed out at the ANP for holding the APC on Valentine’s Day, which he said ‘reflected the imperialistic approach of the ANP leaders.

Angry at the Pakistani media, Ehsanullah Ehsan, said that ‘certain American-brand journalists’ are discrediting the Taliban’s peace dialogue offer, who say that Taliban are not serious in talks.

“We want that those writers and journalists should be held accountable,” he said.

In response to a question, Ehsan confirmed to The Express Tribune that Taliban have decided names for its negotiation team, refusing to divulge their names unless the government comes up with a formal response.

To another question he denied any differences in the ranks of the Taliban over the talks issue and said that all Taliban are united in the talks offer. He also dispelled the impression that Taliban have offered talks only to gain recognition for the outfit.

“The whole word recognises us,” he went on to say.

The TTP spokesman had offered conditional talks in a video interview on February 4.

Interior Minister, Rehman Malik, has asked the Taliban to declare a ceasefire before the talks, however, Taliban have rejected the demand. The Taliban spokesman says that ceasefire will be discussed when the negotiations have started.
 
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Talking space


Saturday, February 16, 2013
From Print Edition


There will be a sense of disbelief in some quarters that the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan has been implicitly recognised as a stakeholder in the political mainstream. All the participants of the All Parties Conference that had been called by the Awami National Party (ANP) agreed on Thursday that peace will only be achieved through dialogue and if that meant talking to armed groups without benefit of a truce then so be it. The APC has agreed to negotiate with those Taliban groups that were ready to accept the constitution, which in itself may be a stumbling block since the constitution does not go as far down the road of Islamic jurisprudence as the Taliban groups would wish. The desire for peace was endorsed by all representatives at the APC in the hope that it would restore Pakistan’s ailing economy and put social development back on track.

While the immediate rejection of the APC resolution by the TTP has come in the shape of the suicide attack on Chief Minister Hoti of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as well as statements of its spokesman, if the TTP wants to be taken seriously it has to put something more besides words on the table. For instance, the TTP has been violently opposed to female education and if it were to think of a confidence building measure to offer, it could be the option of ending the destruction of schools. The group could also offer to call off the murderous campaign against polio eradication teams. ‘Social development’ is the very last thing that most extremists want, seeing it as a cover for secularisation. But Pakistan is made up of many cultures and different lifestyles, some relatively liberal and others less so. It is not for one group to dictate the cultural norms and values of all. That the TTP has finally managed to achieve mainstream visibility and is able to demand a place at the negotiating table is an indicator of its clarity of purpose and long-sightedness. It has been able to play a long game and will continue to do so, using a supra-political stream to leapfrog traditional politics and democratic processes. In relative terms, the TTP operates from a position of strength gained over decades, while the political mainstream is essentially weak, lacks clarity of purpose and leadership and does not even pretend to stand united. Talk we must, but not at the cost of surrendering a rewriting of the constitution at the diktats of a minority.
 
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1. Invite all taliban leaders to a spot for meeting.
2. Bomb the place with F16's!
 
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