Do we know?Pakistan helped 15 countries to got freedom and helpd US become solo superpower

[Myth_buster_1]

You are kid you have no sense what so ever...dont have logical answer.. they tasted pak.. their jets were destroyed againt usa jets.. their subs were taken out near usa sea.. they were under so much pressure.. tgey did not want war with pakistan. You dont read those event in 89z era.. you need class trust me.. i dont deny sovit coulddestroy pakistan but they did not.. they did not wanted.. usa and its allied created eco system which was inspired by Wales fish ... which distroyed whol sovith sub moments near usa sea and sovith haliz were falling like birds in Afghanistan by mujadeens.. they were so many events hapoen againt sovith which made them afraid..

all I can do is after reading your post. Okay this is the last time Im replying to you and then I will leave this thread.

PAF managed to destroy (1) Soviet air force Su-25 in span of 10 - 15 years. The rest were flown under Afgan air force flag. Losing just 1 or heck even 10 fighters in span of 10 years is not enough to deter a super power like soviet. The most damage inflicted towards soviets were done with unconventional war.
Soviet had NO interest in Pakistan and it was a tactic used by uncle sam to convince pak to embrace the fight against soviet invasion which later bit in the ***.

 

[Cash GK]

all I can do is after reading your post. Okay this is the last time Im replying to you and then I will leave this thread.

PAF managed to destroy (1) Soviet air force Su-25 in span of 10 - 15 years. The rest were flown under Afgan air force flag. Losing just 1 or heck even 10 fighters in span of 10 years is not enough to deter a super power like soviet. The most damage inflicted towards soviets were done with unconventional war.
Soviet had NO interest in Pakistan and it was a tactic used by uncle sam to convince pak to embrace the fight against soviet invasion which later bit in the ***.

You dont realise.. first read how usa desmentel sovith subs and blocked sea near Spain n Marco. Later they blocked black sea for sovit subs then they blocked soviet subs near Mexico.. their jets were inferior againt us jets in Vietnam.. i mean who i am telling this all.....first read all event from 1980 to 1989 then come here and talk.. i can give you some books n even you csn google how usa dismental soviet in cold war..... part which pakistan played it was final n most important providing man power which was ready to even give their life.. that was most important asset. It was long tearing war for them and it was final blow... go and dont waste my time..if i accept your stupidity then usa must have killed all Afghanistan with usa best airforce.. i mean world best airforce......

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You dont realise.. first read how usa desmentel sovith subs and blocked sea near Spain n Marco. Later they blocked black sea for sovit subs then they blocked soviet subs near Mexico.. their jets were inferior againt us jets in Vietnam.. i mean who i am telling this all.....first read all event from 1980 to 1989 then come here and talk.. i can give you some books n even you csn google how usa dismental soviet in cold war..... part which pakistan played it was final n most important providing man power which was ready to even give their life.. that was most important asset. It was long tearing war for them and it was final blow... go and dont waste my time..if i accept your stupidity then usa must have killed all Afghanistan with usa best airforce.. i mean world best airforce......

Dismantle soviet subs? WT-F are you talk about? wait, i should not be wasting time with this nut case.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

first read

I did. Your mantal.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Pakistan was only " a " Player among the many which were at full play, the Strings were always in the hands of USA , it was mainly USA that dismantle its only Rival because they have Power , influence and resources to do that , Yes we must admit Pakistan played vital role and infact we did better than what was expected of us, if Pakistan failed to stop USSR via Afghan Taliban, than America will find someone else .

 

[Trango Towers]

What we got in return? Wot. Supporting Soviets would have been better.

And have them take access to warm waters ie gwadar...
Nice thinking

 

[Yaseen1]

i think it was mainly due to u.s support otherwise kashmir would have been liberated long ago if we are alone capable of doing this

 

[maximuswarrior]

Should have supported USSR.

And have them take access to warm waters ie gwadar...
Nice thinking

This is the old scaremongering by the West. Evil commie BS.

 

[V. Makarov]

This story of Pakistan splitting USSR into many pieces is as bullsh1t as India splitting Pakistan into two! internal instability and economic down fall led to divisions. Its like Wahabis taking credit for defeat of ottoman empire which was on verge or collapse.

shhhhhhhhh!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Actually Afghanistan is not the only graveyard of empires. Pakistan has acted in the same manner to various historical empires like Alexander's empire, USSR, and now US. we are an area which is very difficult for foreigners to rule, without our personal consent. We even gave British a hard time.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Waste of our time I fucking wish our country had better ties with the Soviets besides the Central Asian Republics,Russia,Ukraine and Belarus voted to preserve the union in 1991

 

[Cash GK]

Dismantle soviet subs? WT-F are you talk about? wait, i should not be wasting time with this nut case.

You are classic idiot who dont have idea what so ever how soviet lost its superpower stat

I did. Your mantal.

Did you enjoy that... idiot

Should have supported USSR.



This is the old scaremongering by the West. Evil commie BS.

Then why chines are investing in quwader and wait usa is going offer bigger deal then pak china corridor.... here some of guys are like pigeon who think cat will go away if he close his eyes.n plse dont take your country very lightly ..there are seven top major sea routes in the world. Sovit did not had good excess to many... one near turkey..secon near marco n spain..3 between uk and france 4 swis kinal Egypt and saudia down words Yemen somalia. 5 Pakistan n oman upwards iran n dubai this route cover 70 percent oil passing.. then 6 one near south Africa and last 7th one is south china sea which is biger one it has yearly 800 billions trade most import thing very recently happend iran won war againt saudis and emratis single handle in his waters to put sea mines...

all I can do is after reading your post. Okay this is the last time Im replying to you and then I will leave this thread.

PAF managed to destroy (1) Soviet air force Su-25 in span of 10 - 15 years. The rest were flown under Afgan air force flag. Losing just 1 or heck even 10 fighters in span of 10 years is not enough to deter a super power like soviet. The most damage inflicted towards soviets were done with unconventional war.
Soviet had NO interest in Pakistan and it was a tactic used by uncle sam to convince pak to embrace the fight against soviet invasion which later bit in the ***.

Look what happend 27 feb.. destroying two indian jets.. how much efect india got....their pm cam on media n what he said if Rafael humry pass hota to hum jeet jaty... your one good stricke can change the whole battel field...

Dismantle soviet subs? WT-F are you talk about? wait, i should not be wasting time with this nut case.

Go and google ... how usa track sovith subs movement in international waters in 80z.. or should i do this job for you... dont waste my time...

 

[xyx007]

You absolutely make NO sense! debating with you is like trying to teach a wall to speak but i will try anyways.

Proxy, Guerrilla, unconventional or what ever you want to call it is fought between a conventional force like US vs VietCong or Pak vs TTP or Soviet vs Muj.
What I was referring to was USSR air strike vs PAF and just 50 USSR AF formation strike package would have DESTROYED Pakistani airbases in NO time! We had F-6 and Mirages as backbone while soviets operated all kinds of air beasts. And when you have no Air force then your ground forces become sitting ducks to air strikes.
And as for US coming to Pakistan's aid incase of Soviet attack, lets just say they always abandon us during crucial moment and their promise should be taken as a joke.



And from where do you get these kind of stories? Or are you smoking some super power Afganistan national pride symbol "Hashish"?
Care to tell us who were those group of people from Pakistan who helped every body become super powers but themselves did not contribute SH1t for their own country?

Pakistan played a central role in destroying soviets. Pakistan was at risk due to soviet expansion.Also, Pakistan had enmity towards USSR due to its support towards India in the 1971 war in which Pakistan was divided into two countries. Those who are saying Pakistan had no role should check out the operational history of f16s. Pakistan used them to destroy 6 soviet aircraft.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/pakistan’s-f-16s-battled-soviet-jets—and-shot-down-future-vice-president-russia-47717

Also, Pakistan's ssg comandos and ISI carried out a gorilla war to stop soviet invation. Pakistan did harbor afghan militants or maybe freedom-fighters but it did what was necassary for its survival and to teach soviets a lesson.

1. Pakistan provided sanctuary for the mujahideen fighters.
2. Pakistan trained around 100,000 Afghans to fight the Soviet Union.
3. Pakistan provided intelligence to the mujahideen fighters.
4. Pakistan provided weapons the mujahideen fighters
5. Weapons from the USA and Gulf states were funneled through Pakistan.
6. According to some Afghan sources EVERY Mujahideen unit had at the very least 1 Pakistani instructor.
7. Pakistani commandos (SSG) participated in many battles especially against the Spetznaz who were highly trained and would have caused a lot of casualties had they fought the Afghan mujahideen.
8. Regular Pakistani soldiers fought in mujahideen ranks.
9. Many civilian men from all across Pakistan fought alongside the mujahideen as they saw it as a holy war against the atheist communists who were invading a neighboring Muslim country with the intention of possibly invading Pakistan at a later time.
10. It is reported that the Pakistani Air Force shot down around 6–8 Russian fighter jets whilst losing 0 in the process

It is safe to say that without Pakistans huge contributions to the Afghan-Soviet war the outcome could have been quite a lot different, Germany recognized Pakistans role in the defeat of the Soviet Union and sent Pakistan the 1st brick of the Berlin war and other gifts as a thank you. The Afghan Taliban till this day is loyal to Pakistan as it recognizes the help that Pakistan gave to them in their war against the Soviet Union.
if anybody don't know Spetsnaz then should know how SSG fight these beasts because
Spetsnaz training would be illegal in the US or other Western nations.
They are constantly out fighting and are practically invincible to any kind of punishment. Not to mention the fact that they have some of the best weapons on earth, like the AK-74m.
Survive the most brutal training, some of the training that they have to go through is not even allowed in the US. And it is SPETSNAZ not spetnazc
Spetsnaz are the most trained soliders in the world. They are almost impossible to crack in interrogation and are taught not ignore pain but to enjoy it.
Spetsnaz troops get locked in a room filled waist high with animal organs and blood which is why they have nerves of steel.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Pakistan played a central role in destroying soviets. Pakistan was at risk due to soviet expansion.Also, Pakistan had enmity towards USSR due to its support towards India in the 1971 war in which Pakistan was divided into two countries. Those who are saying Pakistan had no role should check out the operational history of f16s. Pakistan used them to destroy 6 soviet aircraft.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/pakistan’s-f-16s-battled-soviet-jets—and-shot-down-future-vice-president-russia-47717

Also, Pakistan's ssg comandos and ISI carried out a gorilla war to stop soviet invation. Pakistan did harbor afghan militants or maybe freedom-fighters but it did what was necassary for its survival and to teach soviets a lesson.

1. Pakistan provided sanctuary for the mujahideen fighters.
2. Pakistan trained around 100,000 Afghans to fight the Soviet Union.
3. Pakistan provided intelligence to the mujahideen fighters.
4. Pakistan provided weapons the mujahideen fighters
5. Weapons from the USA and Gulf states were funneled through Pakistan.
6. According to some Afghan sources EVERY Mujahideen unit had at the very least 1 Pakistani instructor.
7. Pakistani commandos (SSG) participated in many battles especially against the Spetznaz who were highly trained and would have caused a lot of casualties had they fought the Afghan mujahideen.
8. Regular Pakistani soldiers fought in mujahideen ranks.
9. Many civilian men from all across Pakistan fought alongside the mujahideen as they saw it as a holy war against the atheist communists who were invading a neighboring Muslim country with the intention of possibly invading Pakistan at a later time.
10. It is reported that the Pakistani Air Force shot down around 6–8 Russian fighter jets whilst losing 0 in the process

It is safe to say that without Pakistans huge contributions to the Afghan-Soviet war the outcome could have been quite a lot different, Germany recognized Pakistans role in the defeat of the Soviet Union and sent Pakistan the 1st brick of the Berlin war and other gifts as a thank you. The Afghan Taliban till this day is loyal to Pakistan as it recognizes the help that Pakistan gave to them in their war against the Soviet Union.

NO one is denying Pak's involvement in defeating Soviets.

 

[Cash GK]

NO one is denying Pak's involvement in defeating Soviets.

Thanks god you understood... good boy .. now question is did we cash it in our foreign policy? Or can we cash it now?