Do we know?Pakistan helped 15 countries to got freedom and helpd US become solo superpower

[HAIDER]

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This is fact, our media feed that Afghan war broke the Russian. But infact Gorbachev reforms broke the Russia. That is another discussion and labor union movement from Poland initiated the destruction of USSR.

 

[Cash GK]

what?

I was just asking... sometimes dugs hurts

 

[Myth_buster_1]

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stop posting random articles. Like i said before, pakistan may has assisted in resistance of soviet in afg but has NOTHING to do with downfall of USSR.

 

[Cash GK]

This is fact, our media feed that Afghan war broke the Russian. But infact Gorbachev reforms broke the Russia. That is another discussion and labor union movement from Poland initiated the destruction of USSR.

Polish were under USSr...sovith people were tried of fighting wars .. they mis calculated things after 1971 they thought they will reach warm waters...same port which we havr given to china.. same port USSr needed for his survial in 80z... now USA is going to offer pak biger deal then pak china corridor... but pakistan is committed with chines...as everyone knows 70 percent oil pass throw quwader port or near by....who ever sit here he will connect africa n rest of world ....resaon why there are so many navel war games going on this part of sea... iseal n uk already booked omani port with usa
.. in somalian sea china n usa fighting for hold. In yaman saudia n iran fighting.... i hope if we put these dots in one line you will understand the whole game.. everone wants contol of this part of sea and we Pakistani hold major part of tgat route.... this why chines are giving us 6 subs...this is why china is here they are tried of usa blackmailing in south china sea...

stop posting random articles. Like i said before, pakistan may has assisted in resistance of soviet in afg but has NOTHING to do with downfall of USSR.

Give me your reason even with one example rather say no no .... main niye manta....i am telling you with facts.... dismental my argument with fact..say pakistan did not train mujadeen who fought in Afghanistan... say pakistan did not gave them weapons and training which distroyed sovith army....you need read.. tell me it is not truth that German accpted the reality and given brick to isi head that time....

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Didn’t Pakistan help Japan in some way in the 50s too? I remember reading something, same with the help we gave Sri Lanka to defeat terrorists. They all seem to forget it.

Ya picked up their industries when no other country wanted to trade with them. After the war.

Also got china to where it is in the world stage by becoming mediators between china and the west. Helping the west accept communist china and begin trade.

Also if I remember correctly they had a role in Vietnam withdrawal too.

 

[fitpOsitive]

What we got in return? Wot. Supporting Soviets would have been better.

We dont need anything in return. If we make ourselves correct, believe me, By Allah, we don't need anything from anyone.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Polish were under USSr...sovith people were tried of fighting wars .. they mis calculated things after 1971 they thought they will reach warm waters...same port which we havr given to china.. same port USSr needed for his survial 80z... now USA is going to offer pak biger deal then pak china corridor... but pakistan is committed with chines...as everyone knows 70 percent oil pass throw quwader port or near by....who ever sit here he will connect africa n world ....resaon why there are so many navel war games going on this part sea... iseal n uk booked omani port with usa
.. in somalian sea china n usa.. yaman saudia n iran fighting.... i hope if we put these dots in one line you will understand the whole game..


Give me your reason even with one example rather say no no .... main niye manta....i am telling you with facts.... dismental my argument with fact..say pakistan did not train mujadeen who fought in Afghanistan... say pakistan did not gave them weapons and training which distroyed sovith army....you need read.. tell me it is not truth that German accpted the reality and given brick to isi head that time....

bro, be realistic. If USSR wanted they could have wiped out Pakistan military within WEEKS! even with F-16s on PAF side they still had technology to WIPE out pakistani military! 50 formation strike package of Soviets' heavy bombers escorted with EW and air superiority planes would have been more then enough to wipe out 80% of PAF and rest would collapse on its own.

No one is denying Pakistan's involvement in soviet's hefty retreat from the region but to say Pakistan destroyed USSR is nothing but nonsense.

btw, Gwadar came into picture in 2000s so this warm water bulsh1t makes no sense however today it plays a big role in the region.

 

[Cash GK]

bro, be realistic. If USSR wanted they could have wiped out Pakistan military within WEEKS! even with F-16s on PAF side they still had technology to WIPE out pakistani military! 50 formation strike package of Soviets' heavy bombers escorted with EW and air superiority planes would have been more then enough to wipe out 80% of PAF and rest would collapse on its own.

No one is denying Pakistan's involvement in soviet's hefty retreat from the region but to say Pakistan destroyed USSR is nothing but nonsense.

btw, Gwadar came into picture in 2000s so this warm water bulsh1t makes no sense however today it plays a big role in the region.

Same usa vib out taliban right..proxy n politics dont work like that

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Same usa vib out taliban right..proxy n politics dont work like that

I said in a conventional WAR! proxy war is a total different game where you cant see your opponent!

 

[Cash GK]

Same usa vib out taliban right..proxy n politics dont work like that

Quwader came in picture in 1956.. we could not developed it bec of our leaders they used to get money from dubai and they alway delade this project... it was china who force us and we have no other option to say no...and china was forced because of south china sea issues... china use to give money to usa by passing through south china sea.. now usa owns 1.28 trillion dollars to china..

 

[Haris Ali2140]

bro, be realistic. If USSR wanted they could have wiped out Pakistan military within WEEKS! even with F-16s on PAF side they still had technology to WIPE out pakistani military! 50 formation strike package of Soviets' heavy bombers escorted with EW and air superiority planes would have been more then enough to wipe out 80% of PAF and rest would collapse on its own.

No one is denying Pakistan's involvement in soviet's hefty retreat from the region but to say Pakistan destroyed USSR is nothing but nonsense.

btw, Gwadar came into picture in 2000s so this warm water bulsh1t makes no sense however today it plays a big role in the region.

It was cold war. USSR was in Afghanistan with approval of the then government(similar to how US is today in Afg.). Attack on Pakistan meant that US would have jumped into the fight.
Think Afghanistan as a glue which was holding the USSR state bacj at home. It was like "girti hui diwar ko aik dhakka aur do". If they would have won the the war people would would have had a new lollipop. But the opposit happened and it all came crashing down. So we played a role of catalyst.


I don't care we broke the USSR or not. The problem is we didn't cashed the role we played.
There was a poll who played a major role in ww2.
Majority voted for us and then uk at last ussr.
But in reality it was the stark opposite. This is how naarative manipulation works and we failed miserably and are still failing even after sacrificing 70000 lives.

 

[fitpOsitive]

bro, be realistic. If USSR wanted they could have wiped out Pakistan military within WEEKS! even with F-16s on PAF side they still had technology to WIPE out pakistani military! 50 formation strike package of Soviets' heavy bombers escorted with EW and air superiority planes would have been more then enough to wipe out 80% of PAF and rest would collapse on its own.

No one is denying Pakistan's involvement in soviet's hefty retreat from the region but to say Pakistan destroyed USSR is nothing but nonsense.

btw, Gwadar came into picture in 2000s so this warm water bulsh1t makes no sense however today it plays a big role in the region.

No sir. A small, sweet but powerful nation was helping Pakistan to become atomic power, of course with USAs consent, and by 1983, Pakistan was an atomic power.

Is dunya main ager aaj tak koi ross se bacha hai tu ya tu apni kismat ki wajah se, ya phir takat ki wajah se.

 

[Cash GK]

I said in a conventional WAR! proxy war is a total different game where you cant see your opponent!

Before 80z it used to be open wars...proxy wars got new face in cold war era...proxy wars got new lavel in 80z...sovith tried to attack pak with help of Afghan airforce... in those days pakistan got its first batch of f16z...results were not good for soviet..

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Before 80z it used to be open wars...proxy wars got new face in cold war era...proxy wars got new lavel in 80z...sovith tried to attack pak with help of Afghan airforce... in those days pakistan got its first batch of f16z...results were not good for soviet..

You absolutely make NO sense! debating with you is like trying to teach a wall to speak but i will try anyways.

Proxy, Guerrilla, unconventional or what ever you want to call it is fought between a conventional force like US vs VietCong or Pak vs TTP or Soviet vs Muj.
What I was referring to was USSR air strike vs PAF and just 50 USSR AF formation strike package would have DESTROYED Pakistani airbases in NO time! We had F-6 and Mirages as backbone while soviets operated all kinds of air beasts. And when you have no Air force then your ground forces become sitting ducks to air strikes.
And as for US coming to Pakistan's aid incase of Soviet attack, lets just say they always abandon us during crucial moment and their promise should be taken as a joke.

Ya picked up their industries when no other country wanted to trade with them. After the war.

Also got china to where it is in the world stage by becoming mediators between china and the west. Helping the west accept communist china and begin trade.

Also if I remember correctly they had a role in Vietnam withdrawal too.

And from where do you get these kind of stories? Or are you smoking some super power Afganistan national pride symbol "Hashish"?
Care to tell us who were those group of people from Pakistan who helped every body become super powers but themselves did not contribute SH1t for their own country?

 

[Cash GK]

You absolutely make NO sense! debating with you is like trying to teach a wall to speak but i will try anyways.

Proxy, Guerrilla, unconventional or what ever you want to call it is fought between a conventional force like US vs VietCong or Pak vs TTP or Soviet vs Muj.
What I was referring to was USSR air strike vs PAF and just 50 USSR AF formation strike package would have DESTROYED Pakistani airbases in NO time! We had F-6 and Mirages as backbone while soviets operated all kinds of air beasts. And when you have no Air force then your ground forces become sitting ducks to air strikes.
And as for US coming to Pakistan's aid incase of Soviet attack, lets just say they always abandon us during crucial moment and their promise should be taken as a joke.

You are kid you have no sense what so ever...dont have logical answer.. they tasted pak.. their jets were destroyed againt usa jets.. their subs were taken out near usa sea.. they were under so much pressure.. tgey did not want war with pakistan. You dont read those event in 89z era.. you need class trust me.. i dont deny sovit coulddestroy pakistan but they did not.. they did not wanted.. usa and its allied created eco system which was inspired by Wales fish ... which distroyed whol sovith sub moments near usa sea and sovith haliz were falling like birds in Afghanistan by mujadeens.. they were so many events hapoen againt sovith which made them afraid..