Do Pakistanis Regret That India did not convert?

[TheGreatMaratha]

Ok, so this might be a bit of a controversial topic. The mods can close this one down if it gets out of hand. I'm just opening this one for intellectual purposes and so that Pakistanis can think about the possibilities.

The main reason for me to talk about this is that I have observed many Pakistanis talking about Muslim rule. Post Independence, there was the Kashmir dispute that is still going on to this day. Do Pakistanis think that if the whole of India would have been converted to Islam like them by the Turks, Afghans, Uzbeks, etc, that there wouldn't have been any Kashmir headache for them? Do you guys feel that the invaders should have been more serious about Islam and the conversion of kaffirs of the Indian subcontinent to that religion?

Would India and Pakistan still would have been separate? How would the Muslims looked at Hinduism which would have been an extinct religion by now? Would Muslims have an affinity for Hinduism like the Greeks have for the Greek philosophers and the Persians have for the pre-Islamic Persian empires?

Would Indian origin Muslims would have even risen up against foreign Muslim rule? Or would there have been just a continuation of Mughal rule? Would the Turks might have migrated in more numbers to India to consolidate their rule or spread the extent of the Ottoman empire?
Would the Indian Muslims had allowed that?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Never thought about whole of india converting to Islam--- .

See that is a CHRISTIAN thinking---like in USA---all converted to christianity or in australia as well---or in africa---all areas of dark ages africa conquered by the christians converted to christianity---.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Hi,

Never thought about whole of india converting to Islam--- .

See that is a CHRISTIAN thinking---like in USA---all converted to christianity or in australia as well---or in africa---all areas of dark ages africa conquered by the christians converted to christianity---.

But even the whole of Arab world, North Africa, Persia converted to Islam. Both have similar thinking tbh. Christians nowadays though are not too religious.

 

[Kompromat]

People converted to Islam because Hinduism was an inherently discriminatory system which forcibly divided people into a caste system based on vertical hierarchy.

Islam offered social, economic equity and political freedoms. Anyone could bear a sword, he didn't have to belong to a marshal caste. They could inter marry. Low castes who were considered dirty and couldn't enter Hindu temples, suddenly found themselves leading muslim prayers as imams, that too when Muslims were a global superpower.

The rest of India did not convert, which proves that Muslim rulers didn't force the conversion upon them.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

This is the difference between Muslims and Hindus. We dont force our Religion on anyone, the truthfulness of Islam reaches the people who wish to be guided.

No Compulsion in Religion.

 

[Yaseen1]

there remained minorities like christans and jews in egypt,lebanon,Syria through out Islamic rule from the beginning and no one converted them forcefully,similar is case with india when Muslim ruled it

But even the whole of Arab world, North Africa, Persia converted to Islam. Both have similar thinking tbh. Christians nowadays though are not too religious.

 

[MastanKhan]

But even the whole of Arab world, North Africa, Persia converted to Islam. Both have similar thinking tbh. Christians nowadays though are not too religious.

Hi,

No forced conversions---otherwise india would have been a muslim nation---spain would have been concerted to islam---all christians living under in iraq, syria, Turkey, Jordan etc would have been converted to islam---but not so---.

Mughals had no intentions of converting anyone to Islam---they just wanted to rule---and the afghans---they were after loot and plunder---.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

People converted to Islam because Hinduism was an inherently discriminatory system which forcibly divided people into a caste system based on vertical hierarchy.

Islam offered social, economic equity and political freedoms. Anyone could bear a sword, he didn't have to belong to a Marshall caste.

The rest of India did not convert, which proves that Muslim rulers didn't force the conversion upon them.

Do you know that Muslims never talked about the caste system as their intention to convert. Their main reason was to stop idol worship. Muslims in fact didn't even try to stop caste system. Even among the Hindus, they employed Brahmins for administrative purposes and the Kshatriyas for military purpose.

I had come across a thread where the intention of Muslims is clearly written. The main objective of the invaders was to promote Islam and destroy idols. That's what Muslim authors refer.

 

[MastanKhan]

But even the whole of Arab world, North Africa, Persia converted to Islam. Both have similar thinking tbh. Christians nowadays though are not too religious.

Hi,

If you knew the modern day christians---and you knew the Taliban---you culd not the difference between the conviction of either one of their beliefs---both extremely fundamentalists---to the right wing---.

 

[Aspen]

If all of India had converted to Islam, it would have been pretty nice.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

The rest of India did not convert, which proves that Muslim rulers didn't force the conversion upon them.

Isn't this a weird argument. So the whole Pakistan, Persia converted. You don't have a problem with that. But you say that the whole India didn't convert so Islam was not forced. So you are just looking at one side of the picture.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

Do you know that Muslims never talked about the caste system as their intention to convert. Their main reason was to stop idol worship. Muslims in fact didn't even try to stop caste system. Even among the Hindus, they employed Brahmins for administrative purposes and the Kshatriyas for military purpose.

I had come across a thread where the intention of Muslims is clearly written. The main objective of the invaders was to promote Islam and destroy idols. That's what Muslim authors refer.

If Muslims wanted to do that than dont you think instead of building taj mahals they wouldve destroyed the Hindus and their Temples in a 1000 year rule?

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

If all of India had converted to Islam, it would have been pretty nice.

Please can you expand on that. Or just try answering my questions.

If Muslims wanted to do that than dont you think instead of building taj mahals they wouldve destroyed the Hindus and their Temples in a 1000 year rule?

But actually many of North Indian temples have indeed been destroyed. Only South India possesses many of the ancient temples. North India doesn't have too many ancient temples.

Also, the Mughals were not as religiously bigoted as the previous Muslim rulers. They were but not on that scale.

 

[Kompromat]

Moughals weren't too concerned with religion to be honest. They made little missionary effort.

Isn't this a weird argument. So the whole Pakistan, Persia converted. You don't have a problem with that. But you say that the whole India didn't convert so Islam was not forced. So you are just looking at one side of the picture.

 

[Yaseen1]

Muslim destroyed idols after they found support of large number of local population who accepted Islam and they wanted to replace idols with mosques so they have to destroy them, brahmans and kshtariyas were given post because they had knowledge about matters and not because of their caste as lowercaste hindus were not allowed to perform high level job at times of hindu rule in subcontinent

Do you know that Muslims never talked about the caste system as their intention to convert. Their main reason was to stop idol worship. Muslims in fact didn't even try to stop caste system. Even among the Hindus, they employed Brahmins for administrative purposes and the Kshatriyas for military purpose.

I had come across a thread where the intention of Muslims is clearly written. The main objective of the invaders was to promote Islam and destroy idols. That's what Muslim authors refer.