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Do Medications Really Expire...!!??

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Does the expiration date on a bottle of a medication mean anything? If a bottle of Tylenol, for example, says something like "Do not use after June 2008," and it is August 2012, should you take the Tylenol? Should you discard it? Can you get hurt if you take it? Will it simply have lost its potency and do you no good?

In other words, are drug manufacturers being honest with us when they put an expiration date on their medications, or is the practice of dating just another drug industry scam, to get us to buy new medications when the old ones that purportedly have "expired" are still perfectly good?:undecided:
 
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What I've heard is the active ingredient dilutes to the point of being no longer effective according to the prescribed dosage.

Do try the med and inform us if it mutates you to make you lose those flowers on your tash!
 
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I have heard that manufacturer put expiry date to increase their inventory turnover and First time, the expiration date required by law in the United States was beginning in 1979, specifies only the date the manufacturer guarantees the full potency and safety of the drug -- it does not mean how long the drug is actually "good" or safe to use.

So, you noticed flowers, looks beautiful naa
 
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The problem is more complex than mere reduced potency. Beside the active ingredients there are other chemicals in drugs and this cocktail over time start to degrade as well. Some degradation resultant chemicals of both active and inert ingredients can actually be dangerous and harmful. So I would never recommend taking it beyond its expiry date specially that few scientific studies have been done on bio-effect of expired drugs. Just to remind you that Tylenol can become hepatotoxic in certain situation and can kill and has killed people. In short it is not a scam. It is a well proven scientific fact that chemicals degrade over time, some quicker than others.
 
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I have heard that manufacturer put expiry date to increase their inventory turnover and First time, the expiration date required by law in the United States was beginning in 1979, specifies only the date the manufacturer guarantees the full potency and safety of the drug -- it does not mean how long the drug is actually "good" or safe to use.

So, you noticed flowers, looks beautiful naa

The phrase in bold is important, and explains why there needs to be an expiry date. If there is any use beyond that date, the manufacturer cannot be held liable, since it would be unfair to hold it liable forever.
 
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This article quotes a WHO medical officer as saying, “recipients of donations deserve the same protection as U.S. citizens. If expired drugs weren’t potentially harmful the FDA wouldn’t require expiration dates.” (This is almost a universal but a faulty assumption.)

The Associate Commissioner for the FDA in responding to the question in Item A of this Website, “Are expiration dates accurate?” answered, “YES”. She may have been correct, but she seems not to have fully answered the question. The FDA SLEP tests indicate that while the date that the company chooses to stamp on the bottle may be accurate for that date, the medicine may continue to be fully potent for perhaps many years after that date.

A former Secretary of the Florida Department of Health wrote, “As a physician, I would find it irresponsible for a healthcare professional to recommend the use of a prescription drug past the manufacturer’s established expiration date.” This over-generalization is grossly flawed, and is an indication that even people in high places have not had access to the facts regarding how expiration dates are determined.

If the high-ranking officials in the WHO knew that expiration dates are chosen by profit-motivated companies instead of being determined by laboratory analysis one would wonder if they would have ruled as they did, which is, “NO DOUBLE STANDARD IN QUALITY – if quality of an item is unacceptable in the donor country it is also unacceptable as a donation.” Consequently, perhaps much of the 2.5 billion dollars of so-called expired medicines that are returned to manufacturers just in this country alone may still be fully potent. Regardless, they are destroyed instead of going to folks who have no access to any medicine in much of the 3rd world.

The opposing view of expired medicines comes directly from the FDA itself who has surveyed the matter. Their Shelf Life Extension Program found that 90% of the medicines that they tested for the military were safe and effective far past their original expiration dates, at least one for 15 years past it. The former director of the FDA testing laboratory, Pharmacist Francis Flaherty is quoted, “Manufacturers put expiration dates for marketing, rather than scientific reasons.” One might interpret the word marketing to mean to make more money. The Medical Letter also provides much the same view of so-called “expiration dates”. (See Items B and #6 of this Website)

While doing extensive medical mission work in a 3rd world country, we served the entirely medically dispossessed folks. They couldn’t afford to buy needed medicines on their one to three-dollar a day incomes. Despite this adversity that country’s officials threatened to close down any clinics that might have any expired medicines on hand. The apparent consequence of that action is what Mr. Bode refers to in the above article. “Has anyone been harmed by expired drugs? Maybe, But I can definitely tell you that a lot of people died because they didn’t get expired drugs.”

In an attempt to find out why the WHO would have humans do without medicines rather than to permit them to have so-called expired medicines, I contacted a pharmacist/friend who works for a medical team that flies to world-wide disaster areas. I cannot vouch for his supervisor’s view of the reason, but the situation should be investigated for accuracy. He believes, “The WHO is dominated by Europeans. They control the decisions about dating. As a lever, they put pressure on developing countries not to allow organizations like (XX) to bring/donate short dated medicines. Their lever is that WHO will not provide grants/funding for nations that allow short dated medicines into their countries.” “From a narrow European view, this meant that there would be more business for the European pharmaceutical companies.”

If this view is accurate, it implies that economics has more to do with the death of many in the 3rd world than does the truth regarding the nature of expiration dates.

Here is a fact that is entirely disregarded in this matter. Medicines, at least in this country, are based upon the body weight of a 150-pound adult. At the 90% potency level of a medicine, i.e., the point that Remington’s Pharmaceutical Sciences defines as an expired medicine, it is actually the proper dose for a 135-pound person (150# X 90% = 135#). In the 3rd world country where I worked, I would estimate that the average body weight of a country person would be less than 120 pounds. Therefore, expired medicine might even be a slight overdose for those individuals!

Much of the reason for this Website is to highlight not only the ignorance surrounding this issue that I have raised, but, also, to highlight the reason for the ignorance. In my opinion it is due to those who know the facts of these issues but have chosen to deny them to physicians, pharmacists, nurses, legislators, bureaucrats, and, particularly, to consumers. The solution to this tragedy is for consumers to demand the truth in this matter. That can only come with the cooperation of the media. I hope that they will provide the public with the facts/truth of this matter.

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EDIT: Article http://www.expirationdates.info/worldhoimage.htm
 
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Try some expired medicines and let us know if it works or not.
 
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Try some expired medicines and let us know if it works or not.

Exactly - as long as the user knowingly accepts any potentials risks of using it after the expiry date.
 
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Again, under what conditions. If a med has an expiry date of two years and as per tests for 2 years at 30 degrees Celsius and beyond it goes expired, we can not compare this to a med that was sitting in a climate controlled storage in a pharma plant. We have to take into consideration real life scenario. It is not about Tylenol. Lets take the case of Reteplase, which comes with an expiry of five years. The drug is supplied in a prefilled syringe and is used as a life saving treatment of heart attack. Now you tell me you would not even drink a water that was sitting there for five years, let alone injecting it to go to the clot filled artery to open it up. So saying that this drug should still be used after 10 years is beyond me. I at least would never trust that.

The article is written from a racist point of view that once drugs get expired in white fascist countries then send them for use in black south. That is hardly comforting. Most meds can be manufactured extremely cheaply once the R&D investment is taken out of the account which currently stands at several billion dollars for each new drug to be developed. Some rouge states such as Iran copy the chemicals and make them cheap without paying the royalty to the company that invented it but others buy it or manufacture it under license from the inventing company for 15 years after which the invention license gets cancelled and the med can be manufactured by anyone. If they want to donate they can just tell the companies not to charge R&D investment and profit for the donation meds. But alas, they want to supply expired meds to poor guys. Maybe they should first inject a ten year old vial of Reteplase to their own mother before advocating it for others.
 
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Pakistani medicines work when they want to. Expiration date valid or invalid. :lol:

Good One - But that was not Pakistani coz i bought in Dubai

@longbrained What about medicines used for external application i.e. gel/spray used for pain relief etc. are those also dangers once expired
 
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Good One - But that was not Pakistani coz i bought in Dubai

@longbrained What about medicines used for external application i.e. gel/spray used for pain relief etc. are those also dangers once expired

Not as dangerous as injected meds but still not worth the risk. Most of these compounds are made to be sterile or have a component in them to keep them sterile during their useful life. When after the expiry date the product loses its sterility all kinds of bacteria invade it. I am sure you do not want to put lots of bacteria on your hair or on your skin for the soothing effect. So why take the risk. And most products are made to have long enough expiry dates usually in years. So buying new wont hurt.
 
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@longbrained What about medicines used for external application i.e. gel/spray used for pain relief etc. are those also dangers once expired
Medications do not contain only one substance. The one substance which acts to relieve you of your symptoms/disease/disorder etc -called the active ingredient- is actually mixed with numerous other ingredients which makes it a formulation/dosage form. All those other substances are known as "additives" or "Excipients". There is a fine balance between all these ingredients to give an optimal drug response, arrived at by a rigorous R&D process. Some of these excipients help in maintaining drug stability over a period of time, some help in absorption of the drug in the body, others help in maintaining the shape and integrity of the dosage form - like the tablet or capsule etc. Different companies use a mixture of different excipients in their formulation of a same drug. Thats why you have so much price variation. Btw, it is these excipients which are the "trade secrets" of a Pharmaceutical company.

That being said, companies/labs perform accelerated stability tests to ascertain how long this mixture" would remain stable to give the optimal response. That is where this "expiry" date comes from. Beyond this date, the fine balance between the different 'excipients' to help give you an optimal response for the drug you be taking is disturbed. Hence it is NOT advisible to take any medications which have crossed their expiry dates. There is no conspiracy theory as some of you have hinted.
 
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