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There was diplomatic blood on the floor in the tension-filled days before the UNGA decision on Monday to begin text-based negotiations to reform the UN Security Council. Once again, China and Russia led the move to sabotage the process.

A few days before the UNGA session, Chinese and Russian diplomats, in a stealth operation, attempted to insert a couple of paragraphs into the text. If they had succeeded, it would have diluted the entire negotiations on unnecessary technicalities which would have meant the UN would be negotiating UNSC reform for years and years without a decision in sight.

Led by India, a number of countries joined the battle against the Chinese move, even launching a protest at UNGA president, Sam Kutesa's residence over the weekend. Kutesa agreed to remove the offending paragraphs.

China wasn't giving up without a bigger fight. They reached out to a number of national capitals to get the text amended before it reached the floor on Monday. Some countries agreed, but ultimately China failed to get the numbers that India had. In all of this diplomatic warfare, the US stayed strangely silent - either to see whether India could win on its own, or because they are keeping their powder dry to kill the process later, or because they silently supported the Sino-Russian move.

India was not surprised by the Chinese action. And in those last frenzied moments in the UN, it became clear this would be an India-China battle.

But to see Russia on China's side, after supposedly supporting India's case for almost half a century, was a tough one. This week, Russia sent its deputy foreign minister, Gennady Gatilov to meet Sujata Mehta in the MEA, after their performance in the UN. A statement from the Russian embassy said, the two "exchanged opinions on the main aspects of intergovernmental negotiation process considering the current various options for the increase in the United Nations Security Council membership. The Russian Side reaffirmed the readiness to support the Indian candidature for the United Nations Security Council." But India has taken the Russian betrayal hard.

Bloodied but unbowed, China and Russia, say sources, now plan to take the battle one step further. They have been working on the Jamaican government to remove Courtney Rattray, the prime brain behind the UNSC reform text, so he cannot head the negotiations on the text and it can be given to someone unfamiliar with the history of the text. That would deal a blow to India.

The UNGA decision to negotiate UNSC reform succeeded on two counts. First, after 23 years there is a text on which the UN can negotiate a reform agenda. Second, in a fair fight, the 13-country group led by China and including Pakistan and Italy called United for Consensus could not drum up enough support for stalling the process.

Ditched by US and betrayed by Russia, but India still tore down Chinese wall - The Times of India
 
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PLs tell me what we will gain by having my country as a part of the security council (new and extended)?
its just waste of time and efforts...
Which issue or problem or international incident saw Security council intervening and bringing a successful resolution of the escalated issue/tension and restored world order or world peace?

We should stop chasing such nonsense and rather concentrate on improving our own country internally in all fronts.. the status,importance and position will automatically come when we are economically far more resilient and strong with adequate military might and when countries themselves support India needs to be their based on its own strength and importance in world order.

As if this ditching by US, betrayal by Russia or hard diplomatic efforts by China or even more adjectives or superlatives mean anything to us..
 
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PLs tell me what we will gain by having my country as a part of the security council (new and extended)?
its just waste of time and efforts...
Which issue or problem or international incident saw Security council intervening and bringing a successful resolution of the escalated issue/tension and restored world order or world peace?

We should stop chasing such nonsense and rather concentrate on improving our own country internally in all fronts.. the status,importance and position will automatically come when we are economically far more resilient and strong with adequate military might and when countries themselves support India needs to be their based on its own strength and importance in world order.

As if this ditching by US, betrayal by Russia or hard diplomatic efforts by China or even more adjectives or superlatives mean anything to us..

We will keep your country united and no western or Asian powers can threaten our country through UN.
 
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We will keep your country united and no western or Asian powers can threaten our country through UN.
Sorry nt happening
the P5 or even extended p10/p15 will always have blocks with a multipolar world. Unfortunately all blocks will always have some cross interest tied with India and thusm ost of one sided proposals would always get shot down.
The seat as of today holds no meaning.

Lemme paste something here which will indicate why i am saying this.

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If you see that we are clear that in a matter of few decades with a proper planning and sound implementation most of this world will get tied up with us due to our capabilities mostly due to the market and economy.

This comparison is for the giant China whose economic might is well known and how India now has a chance to bridge the gap and become a strategically important economic power in global level.

Thus, at present the so called all this UNSC reform is all talks no substance...

Besides your point is flawed as UNSC has never been able to intervene or solve any issues across the world. So India or our countrymen/women wont feel more secured and safe just bcz we have a permanent seat in UNSC.
 
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Ok fine you have your opinion, np.

Sorry nt happening
the P5 or even extended p10/p15 will always have blocks with a multipolar world. Unfortunately all blocks will always have some cross interest tied with India and thusm ost of one sided proposals would always get shot down.
The seat as of today holds no meaning.

Lemme paste something here which will indicate why i am saying this.

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If you see that we are clear that in a matter of few decades with a proper planning and sound implementation most of this world will get tied up with us due to our capabilities mostly due to the market and economy.

This comparison is for the giant China whose economic might is well known and how India now has a chance to bridge the gap and become a strategically important economic power in global level.

Thus, at present the so called all this UNSC reform is all talks no substance...

Besides your point is flawed as UNSC has never been able to intervene or solve any issues across the world. So India or our countrymen/women wont feel more secured and safe just bcz we have a permanent seat in UNSC.
 
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Wonder what happened to India-Russia iron friendship?

And the claims by Indians, Russia can never ditch them.

Interesting shift of world power politics.
 
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Wonder what happened to India-Russia iron friendship?

And the claims by Indians, Russia can never ditch them.

Interesting shift of world power politics.
Hollow article. What are the offending paragraphs?
 
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Owoooo.. Its one hell of a Situation. Tell you'll what this story could make a great movie...

The russians clearly don't want us to be in UNSC because of our new shift towards west. can't blame them, and Cinese are also forcing them to act aginst our policies... Monday we'll know if our ship can reach the port or sunk in the middle of the ocean. good luck guys
 
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PLs tell me what we will gain by having my country as a part of the security council (new and extended)?
its just waste of time and efforts...
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What else diplomats should put their time on? We have dedicated staff at UN, MEA. They are supposed to do such stuff.
It is not like that India is investing Billions of $ on it.
And No, everything does not come just by strong Economy. Japan is strong for decades. Germany is the engine of Europe. Is anyone offering them UNSC Seat? Most of the time you need to fight for your right whether international politics or real world.
If India wait for few years, you may see Pakistan claiming a place with support of their all weather friend.
 
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Concentrate on our own economy,military,Defense industry ,S&T,and other social sector .Increase our might then these mere honourary post will come for us.
UNSC is just group for petty games US led allies on one side and Russia-China on other side .Both these morons played very well and totally destroyed a small nation like Syria.
 
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I dono why we spend somuch of time behind this......... The significance of UNGA has gone down pretty badly..... It is turning out to be a chai pani club like several other clubs, Yes UNGA can boast about past glory......

I guess GoI should listen to the visionary Mr. Funsuk Wangudu....... He said....

"Kaabil Bano..... Kamiyaaabhi Jhak mar ke ayegiiiii"
 
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Are you fkn kidding asking whats the point of permanent seat in UNSC ?
If permanent seat in UNSC is irrelevent then what the fuk are diplomats of China and Russia scrambling about ? Along with those of Japan Brazil Germany etc
Once India has permanent seat distressed countries like Noko Iran Zimbabwe Israel Nigeria et al will lobby India for its vote to oppose or atleast tone down resolutions against them
We could keep passing stricter and stricter resolutions against terrorism.
Its like an idiotic person refusing promotion stating that he would like to be experienced before taking the promotion.
As long as we have thinkers(and I use this term very liberally here) like these how can India progress ?
 
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Funny how the Netaji files has been released after this :D ....... coincidence ? :P
 
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accha, if we get it we should nominate pakistan in our place for the muslim's need representation.
 
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