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Did the USSR really intend to attack Pakistan?

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I have a quick question!

IF USSR was so keen to go to Arabian sea/Indian ocean--Why did not they just ask India because India was their ally and still it?

India might be a mile away from Arabian Peninsula but I think USSR army knew the consequences of the war with Pakistan.

Was the war fought to fill the pockets of Zia and other generals?

Was the hype created to gather people?

Where are the facts, official documents?

What if we did not mess with Soviets in Afghanistan--Did not we make the U.S. most powerful nation?

Facts PLEASE!

IF USSR indeed wanted to attack us, I'd be more than happy to read FACTS.
 
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I have a quick question!

IF USSR was so keen to go to Arabian sea/Indian ocean--Why did not they just ask India because India was their ally and still it?

India might be a mile away from Arabian Peninsula but I think USSR army knew the consequences of the war with Pakistan.

Was the war fought to fill the pockets of Zia and other generals?

Was the hype created to gather people?

Where are the facts, official documents?

What if we did not mess with Soviets in Afghanistan--Did not we make the U.S. most powerful nation?

Facts PLEASE!

IF USSR indeed wanted to attack us, I'd be more than happy to read FACTS.

Pakistan was providing all support to mujahideen and americans it was an open secret , Russia could have attacked even than ... it was all than a drama and still is the case now ? We helped america becoming the only super power now the same is after us ... us knows the importance cant risk a stable pakistan
 
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,Pakistan's concerns about the Soviets in 1982 was acc to declassified CIA doc:

PAKISTAN: THE NEXT YEARS - CIA document

CIA FOIA Document Page Viewer

hope this helps

I also recall Ahmad Rashid mentioning that Pakistan govt denied Soviet allegations of support/training Mujaheddin on the grounds that all of it took place in the Tribal areas and the Govt has limited jurisdiction over there
 
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IF USSR was so keen to go to Arabian sea/Indian ocean--Why did not they just ask India because India was their ally and still it?

There was no land-link between the USSR and India.

If Russia wanted access to the Arabian sea that is.
 
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The USSR could just use Indian port for military purposes--Attacking some country is a different ball game.

India will not allow, because if the Soviet Union to use the port for the military base, India will be directly involved in military confrontation between the Warsaw Pact and NATO. the Soviet Union can not occupy India, but can occupy Afghanistan, and then to occupy Pakistan.
 
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What was the relationship between India and Warsaw pact?

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Did China also benefit from the defeat of USSR?
 
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What was the relationship between India and Warsaw pact?

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Did China also benefit from the defeat of USSR?

Largely neutral, but there is a close relationship and the Soviet Union than the United States

Benefit almost everyone, especially those with opposing positions and the Soviet Union.
 
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I have a quick question!

IF USSR was so keen to go to Arabian sea/Indian ocean--Why did not they just ask India because India was their ally and still it?

India might be a mile away from Arabian Peninsula but I think USSR army knew the consequences of the war with Pakistan.

Was the war fought to fill the pockets of Zia and other generals?

Was the hype created to gather people?

Where are the facts, official documents?

What if we did not mess with Soviets in Afghanistan--Did not we make the U.S. most powerful nation?

Facts PLEASE!

IF USSR indeed wanted to attack us, I'd be more than happy to read FACTS.

THAT was not very intelligent of you !

Have a look at the map, there is no land route to India without going through Pakistan.

Pakistan provides a shorter route if all other factors are even.
 
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Let me tell you this once and for all, USSR never planned or wanted to attack or invade Pakistan.

This was manufactured by Zia's government and the American Gov to legitimise their involvement in Afghanistan, this was fed to the people of Pakistan as the reason for our involvement.

The Soviets entered Afghanistan at the behest of PDPA who had asked them to quell the Islamist uprising.

Read this article from the mid 80's which describes an incident where the Soviets did not cross the border in pursuit of militants.

Pakistan Dirty, Deadly Game

The Soviet armored personnel carrier, loaded with infantrymen and flying a white flag, rolled up to the Pakistani frontier post of Tor Kham from the Afghanistan side of the border. It was the climactic moment of a battle that had begun after Afghanistan's mujahedin resistance fighters attacked and briefly held three Afghan border posts on the Khyber Pass. The Soviets had reacted with lightning speed, sending in a full brigade by air to retake the outposts. In the confusion of battle, three soldiers of the Soviet-backed Afghan army fled to Pakistan, but their defection had been detected.

A Soviet captain emerged from the personnel carrier. "We want the three men back," he said, addressing Pakistani frontier policemen in English. Beside | him, an Afghan officer repeated the request in Urdu, adding, "If we don't have them back, you will be in for a lot of trouble." The Soviet vehicle then turned around and rumbled back into Afghanistan. "Not a shot was fired," a Pakistani officer recalled. "But just in case we didn't believe they meant business, they dropped 80 artillery shells on our positions that night." For the next two days, sporadic tank and artillery fire fell on the Pakistani outpost--and on the morning of the third day, the Pakistanis sent the three deserters back. Says a Pakistani intelligence officer: "There are a lot of changes on the border. The Soviets are now much closer than they have ever been before."

Indeed, the sounds of bombing by Soviet MiGs and the crash of artillery have been growing louder and more frequent in recent weeks. Last year there were 81 incidents in which the Pakistanis claimed their territory was bombed or strafed by Soviet aircraft. So far this year 56 such violations have been registered, and in the past month there have been at least 60 artillery attacks as well. Soviet and Afghan government forces have also mounted several ground raids along the frontier, including one last month that involved several hundred Soviet tanks as well as fighter-bombers and helicopters. A few days later, Soviet infantry and helicopter gunships in pursuit of guerrillas attacked several Afghan border villages, killing more than 100 civilians.
The heightened activity has led Western intelligence sources to conclude that the Soviets are making a greater effort than ever before to destroy mujahedin units operating from sanctuaries in Pakistan and stem the flow of weapons and supplies provided to the resistance by the U.S., China and several Muslim states. The U.S. pipeline alone is delivering an estimated $250 million in covert aid this year. Additional humanitarian assistance is going to the 3 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan, whose number has increased by 500,000 over the past year.

Pakistani officials suggest that the situation along the frontier has worsened since President Mohammed Zia ul-Haq met last month in Moscow with Mikhail Gorbachev, the new Soviet leader, and Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko. Zia was told by the Soviets that Pakistan's policy toward Afghanistan --collaboration with the resistance and cooperation with the U.S.--could cause the relationship between Moscow and Islamabad to deteriorate. Though that line was not new, Zia was said to have been shaken by the conversation.

Pakistan Dirty, Deadly Game - TIME

The Soviets never intended to invade or attack Pakistan, if they wanted, they could have easily achieved this and no one would have been able to change a damn thing.

These are all lies that wee fed to the people so they support this war which has caused us so much harm today.
 
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that is almost childish !

To attack then sustain and control Pakistani Territory the USSR needed supply lines extending from it's southern most edges through Afghanistan, through the western Pakistani mountains ( of which Khyber is the only logical pass).

How could the USSR do that, if the area via which the supply lines had to pass wasn't even in their control ?

And oh btw, I would suggest that you dig back your own old posts, in which you were trying to Credit Gen Akhter Abdul Rehman for the Afghanistan Jihad !

Now you are saying the war was based on lies !!

Hmmm ... lets see who does that remind of me ... ( Chenab ! )
 
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THAT was not very intelligent of you !

Have a look at the map, there is no land route to India without going through Pakistan.

Pakistan provides a shorter route if all other factors are even.

Ohh bhai, I know that. All I am suggesting is, attacking a country is a different game than going to your desire location through a longer route!

I used the word port--Do you know what it is?
 
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Let me tell you this once and for all, USSR never planned or wanted to attack or invade Pakistan.

This was manufactured by Zia's government and the American Gov to legitimise their involvement in Afghanistan, this was fed to the people of Pakistan as the reason for our involvement.

The Soviets entered Afghanistan at the behest of PDPA who had asked them to quell the Islamist uprising.

Read this article from the mid 80's which describes an incident where the Soviets did not cross the border in pursuit of militants.



Pakistan Dirty, Deadly Game - TIME

The Soviets never intended to invade or attack Pakistan, if they wanted, they could have easily achieved this and no one would have been able to change a damn thing.

These are all lies that wee fed to the people so they support this war which has caused us so much harm today.

So, the very basic question arises--Why were we towing imperialist agenda?
Who should be blamed--Zia or the institution?

Zia as an individual played his part but a captain without the team can do nothing!
 
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that is almost childish !

Childish, isn't that your central argument against everything.

To attack then sustain and control Pakistani Territory the USSR needed supply lines extending from it's southern most edges through Afghanistan, through the western Pakistani mountains ( of which Khyber is the only logical pass).

Nonsense, they could have launched an attack on Pakistan without control of southern Afghanistan. The soviets won all their battles during their occupation of Afghanistan and they even launched air raids on Pakistan, however the aim was to scare the insurgents, not attack Pakistan.

How could the USSR do that, if the area via which the supply lines had to pass wasn't even in their control ?

Your imagination is quite vivid, what has supply lines got to do with an attack or invasion of Pakistan. As the referenced article stated that the Soviets were able to bring their forces to the border but they never physically crossed the border because their aim was not to get involved in anything other than Afghanistan.

And oh btw, I would suggest that you dig back your own old posts, in which you were trying to Credit Gen Akhter Abdul Rehman for the Afghanistan Jihad !

As head of ISI, Gen Rahman was the one who implemented Operation Cyclone in Pakistan, I am merely giving credit where it is due.

Now you are saying the war was based on lies !!

It was based on lies, the soviets never intended to invade or attack Pakistan.

Hmmm ... lets see who does that remind of me ... ( Chenab ! )

Hmm, Zia's cowardly deception, reminds me of a group (Wahabi!)
 
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