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The Rāmāyana is the world’s second longest poetic composition, after another Hindu epic, the Mahābhārata. The mythological epic poem narrates the journey of Rāma, a righteous prince (with divine qualities, in most renditions and interpretations), considered the epitome of morality and conduct. The basic story is well-known and widely-circulated, thanks in part to Ramlila (the traditional performance artform of skits narrating parts or whole of the story which are quite common all over urban and rural India) and an extremely popular abridged TV adaptation. Nonetheless, very, very few people actually read the original Sanskrit scripture attributed to the legendary poet Valmiki. The Rāmacaritmānasa by the 16th century poet Tulasīdās, also known as the Tulasī Rāmāyana is much more popular, primarily as it is written in a vernacular dialect of Hindi rather than Sanskrit, and hence is more accessible to the layfolk.


Another Hindu text, the prescriptive treatise Manusmriti codifies behavioural norms based on values as celibacy, fidelity, teetotalism, abstinence, austerity, abnegation, discipline, and observance of social order, duties and obligations. Filial Piety, Brahmanism, Patriarchy, and a rigid enforcement of the hereditary caste segregation characterise the text.


Under the incumbent right-wing regime, instances of these ethos being unilaterally imposed, are becoming alarmingly prevalent. The impositions range from prohibiting non-vegetarian food, even eggs, from government-provided meals for impoverished children, bids to forbid serving meat at government-organised functions, and excessive stress being lain on promoting vegetarianism as a lifestyle, to frequent and prolonged force-shutting down of meat-vending shops during key Hindu festivals and holy months. The ruling party also has an inconsistent, paradoxical aversion towards alcohol. Last year, there was quite a brouhaha over the free meals being served to poor children being exclusively vegetarian.


However, for these unanimous champions of Rāmarājya (Rāma’s Utopian Rule), a careful read of the Rāmāyana might prove disillusioning.


Some excerpts from the Vālmīki Rāmāyana are presented as follows, alongside English translations (BHUSANA, unless otherwise mentioned) :


1. caturdaśa hi varṣāṇi vatsyāmi vijane vane।
madhumūlaphalairjīvanhitvā munivadāmiṣam।।2.20.29।।



“Abstaining from eating meat like hermits and living on honey, fruits and roots, I am to live in the solitary forest for fourteen years.”


The self-explanatory line is stated by Rām when he commits himself towards his 14-year forest exile.


Commentator Sivasahay notes that the word “Amiṣa”, in this context, means “object of relish”, rather than “meat” per se. He suggests it to be a generic synecdoche.


2. surāghaṭasahasreṇa māṃsabhūtaudanena ca।
yakṣye tvāṃ prayatā devi purīṃ punarupāgatā।।2.52.89।।



“O Devi after my return to Ayodhya purified by my austerities, I shall worship you by offering a thousand pots of nectar and food in the form of meat.”


This is stated by Sita as a prostration towards the deified, pious Ganga River, pledging myriad offerings, including meat, in lieu of Rama’s safe return from his exile. As a sidenote, traditional meat-based Hindu religious offerings are historically ubiquitous in India.


Further, in his commentary, Amruta Kataka writes “They killed a spotted deer and a black deer, as they were very hungry. They just roasted it in fire and ate it. They were not brahmins and so, were not prohibited. Besides, they offered it first to the gods before they ate the flesh.”


3. aiṇeyaṃ māṃsamāhṛtya śālāṃ yakṣyāmahe vayam।
kartavyaṃ vāstuśamanaṃ saumitre cirajīvibhiḥ।।2.56.22।।



“O Lakshmana those who intend to live for long (in this hut), should pacify the deity presiding over here. Therefore, we shall bring the venison of a black antelope and make necessary offerings.”


mṛgaṃ hatvā”naya kṣipraṃ lakṣmaṇeha śubhekṣaṇa।
kartavya śśāstradṛṣṭo hi vidhirdharmamanusmara।।2.56.23।।


“Slay an antelope and bring it here quickly. O Lakshmana The rites as prescribed by the scriptures will have to be carried out. You may recollect that tradition.”


aiṇeyaṃ śrapayasvaitacchālāṃ yakṣyāmahe vayam।
tvara saumya muhūrto’yaṃ dhruvaśca divaso’pyayam।।2.56.25।।


“Cook this venison, O handsome one We will offer it to the presiding deity of this hut. Hasten, the day and time are fixed (for the rites)”


sa lakṣmaṇaḥ kṛṣṇamṛgaṃ medhyaṃ hatvā pratāpavān।
atha cikṣepa saumitrissamiddhe jātavedasi।।2.56.26।।


Then the powerful son of Sumitra killed a black antelope fit for offering, and offered it to the wellkindled fire.


The graphic and explicit mention of the antelope’s meat and its cooking continues onto further verses. They are not quoted here to prevent redundancy.


Rama, Lakshmana and Sita resided in thatched huts in the forest.


Amruta Kataka comments “Rama and Lakshmana killed a she-deer for sacrifice to the gods presiding over the newly built hut. It is no sin, no cruelty as it is a part of the prescribed rite according to the sacred texts. Even the prey sacrificed attains final beatitude.”


Mahesvar Tirtha comments “Rama clears the doubt about the blemish or sin that could arise from animal sacrifice as described by Bodhayana. It is a dharma and there is no possibility of any sin caused by violence. Since the animals that are killed for sacrifice reach higher and better worlds, slaying is a boon for them. The Vedas state that they do not die, but take a sacred path to the place of the gods. They go to a place where only the meritorious go and not the sinners. Lord Savitr (Sun-god) helps them in their journey.”


[The commentator quotes the sruti and smrti to show that Rama did not commit any sin when he got a deer killed for the rituals of house-warming.]


4. vanyairmālyaiḥ phalairmūlaiḥ pakvairmāṃsairyathāvidhi।
adbhirjapaiśca vedoktairdarbhaiśca sasamitkuśaiḥ।।2.56.34।।



tau tarpayitvā bhūtāni rāghavau saha sītayā।
tadā viviśatu śśālāṃ suśubhāṃ śubhalakṣaṇau।।2.56.35।।


“Bestowed with auspicious qualities, Rama and Lakshmana along with Sita propitiated those celestial beings with garlands of forest flowers, fruits and roots, wellcooked venison (meat of animals of deer family), water, muttering of prayers as expounded in the Vedas, faggots and kusa grass and entered that auspicious hermitage.”


5. ityuktvopāyanaṃ gṛhya matsyamāṃsamadhūni ca।
abhicakrāma bharataṃ niṣādādhipatirguhaḥ।।2.84.10।।



“Having spoken thus, Guha, lord of the nishadas, approached Bharata, taking with him fish, meat and wine as offerings.”


In the lore, Bharata is another younger brother of Rama, who loves him beyond compare. His mother, the second wife of Rama’s father, without Bharat’s knowing persuaded their father to grant Rama 14 years of exile and award the crown to her son, on the very day prior to Rama’s planned enthronement. When Bharata returns, he sets out to bring back and restore Rama to the throne. In his pursuit through the forest trail of Rama, he comes across Guha the Nishadraj, the king of an indigenous forest-dwelling tribe of hunter-gatherers. The latter is also an utmost devotee of Rama’s, and had hosted him for a while.


6. asti mūlaṃ phalañcaiva niṣādaissamupāhṛtam।
ārdraṃ ca māṃsaṃ śuṣkaṃ ca vanyaṃ coccāvacaṃ mahat।।2.84.17।।



“Here are roots, fruits and a great variety of forest produce, fresh and dried meat brought by the nishadas.”


7. samāśvasa muhūrtaṃ tu śakyaṃ vastumiha tvayā।।3.47.22।।
āgamiṣyati me bhartā vanyamādāya puṣkalam।
rurūngodhā nvarāhāṃśca hatvā’dāyā’miṣānbahūn।।3.47.23।।



“Rest here awhile. My husband will return with plenty of meat of many kinds from the forest, killing deer, alligators and wild boars.”


Sītā tells this to Rāvana, the demon-king who is deceptively disguised as a reclusive monk and is her to-be abductor. He tries to trick her into crossing the bewitched demarcation, an impregnable threshold marked by Lakshmana.


8. rāmo’tha sahasaumitrirvanaṃ gatvā sa vīryavān।।3.68.32।।
sthūlānhatvā mahārohīnanutastāra taṃ dvijam



“Then the mighty Rama, accompanied by Saumitri, got into the forest and killed a huge deer, brought it and spread it as an offering (to the dead Jatayu).”


rohimāṃsāni cotkṛtya peśīkṛtya mahāyaśāḥ।।3.68.33।।
śakunāya dadau rāmo ramye haritaśādvale।


Tearing the flesh of the deer to pieces and making them into balls, the celebrated Rama laid it on a lovely, green grassy land as offering to the bird.


This verse alludes to the fact that Rama was well-versed with dressing meat. The intuitiveness suggests habituation.


9. krośamātraṃ tato gatvā bhrātarau rāmalakṣmaṇau।
bahūnmedhyānmṛgānhatvā ceraturyamunāvane।।2.55.33।।



“After walking a krosa (sic) (kosa is an ancient unit of distance) into the forest on the bank of Yamuna, the two brothers killed many deer suitable for sacrifice and ate them.”


10. na māṃsaṃ rāghavo bhuṅakte na cā’pi madhu sevate।
vanyaṃ suvihitaṃ nityaṃ bhaktamaśnāti pañcamam।।5.36.41।।



“”Rama is not eating meat, nor drinking wine. He takes only the one fifth of a meal (sanctioned for an ascetic) available in the forest.”


This verse is uttered by the ape-God Hanuman, Rama’s emissary, who visits Sita in her incarceration. He narrates, hows Rama has lost his appetite, sleep and mood in her excruciatingly worrisome longing, and anxiety.


11. adhāryaṃ carma me sadbhī romāṇyasthi ca varjitam।
abhakṣyāṇi ca māṃsāni tvadvidhairdharmacāribhiḥ ||4.17.37।।



‘My skin is not fit to be worn by the virtuous, my hair and bones are also prohibited from any use. My flesh is also not at all fit to be eaten by righteous people like you


pañca pañca nakhā bhakṣyā brahmakṣatreṇa rāghava |
śalyaka śśvāvidho godhā śaśaḥ kūrmaśca pañcamaḥ ||4.17.38।।


‘O Rama brahmins and kshatriyas are permitted to eat only the five nailed animals the porcupine, the hedgehog, the alligator, the rabbit and the tortoise.


Bāli, the mighty ape was killed by Rama surreptiously from the back, from a concealed vantage point. This was seen as a departure from virtue and righteousness Rama was compelled to take, given the exceptional boons that Bāli possessed.


His statements allude to presence of a clearly delineated classification of meats: “Higher meats” as venison, peacock meat and meat of other one to three digit (toed or hooved) animals, that were prescribed for the consumption of royality, and “Forbidden Meats”, which were deemed unfit and immoral for human consumption.


As if in a final nail-in-the-coffin, even the much-criticised Manusmriti soundly affirms:


5.56. There is no sin in eating meat, in (drinking) spirituous liquor, and in carnal intercourse, for that is the natural way of created beings, but abstention brings great rewards.


This is in spite of the fact that a few verses earlier, the same chapter prohibits consumption of scarlet secretions and alliums, and whatnot, as prescribed for upper-caste men.


Perhaps, the most succinct aphorism in this regard is that the Hindu-Nationalists can take away from the text they seldom read is a statement made by Lord Rama himself: “That which man eats, is also consumed by his Gods” (2:102:30)







Pitamber Kaushik

The author is a journalist, columnist, and writer. He has previously written in over 60 publications in 31 countries. A version of this article first appeared in Countercurrents.

http://www.nastiknation.org/news/2020/08/14/did-rama-eat-meat-and-why-is-it-relevant-to-india-now/
 
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Question:
Is Air India, Spicejet and other Bharatiya airlines serving non-vegetarian snacks, like cakes containing eggs, or "butter chicken masala "?
How about the fish or prawn curries so much loved by Indians from the states of Kerala and West Bengal?

I just flew on Vistara and they served me a "Vegetarian" egg sandwich. In the past, when I flew Air India, they did serve meat, but always chicken - some bizarre resemblance to butter chicken.
 
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If you are referring to India it's
probably old skinny buffalo
meat unless you are in Kerala, West Bengal or Goa .
Wonder if Karim's , Moti Mahal, or Pandara Park are still in business?
Karim's in Jama Masjid area was filthy but still worth every penny spent. But I am hopelessly out of date....

Karim's is still be the best. Can't beat it. And Karim's Old Delhi is a class of its own. You cannot get that environment anywhere else.
 
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I wonder if that old adage, "You are what you eat." is incorrect and would be better replaced with, "You are how you eat."

Meat eater = Predator or predatory animal. Prone to violence and eager to take.
Plant eater = non predatory

Would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between meat consumption and the war making tendencies of a nation's people or their violent tendencies. Predators are predatory killers and takers. Americans consume vast quantities of meat.

 
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If you are referring to India it's
probably old skinny buffalo
meat unless you are in Kerala, West Bengal or Goa .
Wonder if Karim's , Moti Mahal, or Pandara Park are still in business?
Karim's in Jama Masjid area was filthy but still worth every penny spent. But I am hopelessly out of date....
I'm sure that beef in Kerala is the best in the sub-continent. Kerala being the spice capital of the world.
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Cows fed on grasslands have the juiciest meat

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Lord Rama was a non-vegetarian.
Hitler was a vegetarian.
All drug addicted criminals and drug related crimes are committed under the influence of vegetable derived products, opium, hashish, bhaang, ganja, marijuana, etc.

Hitler was a vegetarian after 1937 according to Wikipedia so he was already well into his murderous war mongering path.

Spanish/Portuguese are cattle herding/meat eaters their ancestors robbed and destroyed at least 3 civilizations in North America. Now they herd cattle in South America on the lands they took.
Germans (who are meat eaters and cow herders) constantly started wars and invaded people.
Scots are cow herders they are very violent.
I have seen videos of Indonesian soldiers drinking snake blood.

I don't know. It is very interesting. If true then most "people" are just puppets. wow.
 
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Is Air India, Spicejet and other Bharatiya airlines serving non-vegetarian snacks, like cakes containing eggs, or "butter chicken masala "?
Air India does serve non-veg. Their chicken is actually pretty good. Unsure about Spicejet or Indigo since I've only travelled domestic but I heard Indigo's middle east bound flights do serve
How about the fish or prawn curries so much loved by Indians from the states of Kerala and West Bengal?
Air India serves fish...haven't heard of prawns. Seafood is not just loved by Kerala and WB but every coastal state except Gujarat
If you are referring to India it's
probably old skinny buffalo
meat unless you are in Kerala, West Bengal or Goa .
Wonder if Karim's , Moti Mahal, or Pandara Park are still in business?
Karim's in Jama Masjid area was filthy but still worth every penny spent. But I am hopelessly out of date....
Buffalo if you're in and around Lucknow or UP in general. Cow meat is consumed in Kerala, some rural Southern districts, Goa and North East. It's the hindi belt where this whole beef drama comes up
 
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Glad to know 👍
Then those who know Calcutta know Nizam's and Sabir's as the best for nehari . Does anyone know or remember what nehari/ paya
means ? It has probably gone for good in India It's a distinctly Indian origin dish. Not even all Pakistanis
( Karachi, Hyderabad and some Lahorewallahs excluded)
know what nehari is.
India will have soon destroyed an entire legacy of a cuisine to
be replaced with Vaishnav Bhojnalyas ( no garlic or onion ).
Question:
There used to be two special cuisine franchises:
Wazwan ( Kashmiri) and Hyderabad House ( Deccan ? )
Am out of date on these...
Relax. Pakistanis know nihari and paye.
 
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India will have soon destroyed an entire legacy of a cuisine to
be replaced with Vaishnav Bhojnalyas ( no garlic or onion )
That's impossible since the whole news of vegetarianism you see in the media is Delhi centric. Pretty much all my brahmin friends including those who come from conservative households eat non-veg. Millennials are increasingly consuming non-veg, primarily chicken which is affordable. One of the pictures posted above clearly shows the % of pop consuming non-veg and that trend is only going up

There used to be two special cuisine franchises:
Wazwan ( Kashmiri) and Hyderabad House ( Deccan ? )
Am out of date on these...
Regarding Hyd House...it went down the drain, several new restaurants have taken it's place. Paradise and Bawarchi are best known for Hyderabad Dum Biryani. There's another in Hyd's old city called Shadab which is damn good but is best known for their haleem
 
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I wonder if that old adage, "You are what you eat." is incorrect and would be better replaced with, "You are how you eat."

Meat eater = Predator or predatory animal. Prone to violence and eager to take.
Plant eater = non predatory

Would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between meat consumption and the war making tendencies of a nation's people or their violent tendencies. Predators are predatory killers and takers. Americans consume vast quantities of meat.

I would argue that non-meat eaters are very frustrated, particularly the fat veggies. Why? Well who wouldn't be if you miss out and punish yourself by avoiding meat, but STILL do not get the rewards of a lean non-fattening diet? Buffed up or athletic meat eaters are the most relaxed and satisfied people you'll ever meet. Fat veggies are angry at everyone.
 
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I'm sure that beef in Kerala is the best in the sub-continent. Kerala being the spice capital of the world.
Their beef is great but I'm not a fan of the rice they use. Ponnu boiled rice I believe which is also what they make biryani out of

Seeraga Samba/Chitti Muthyalu or Basmati are the only two types of rice that go with biryani
 
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👍Thanks for the info.
But on the title of this thread "Is it relevant to India? "
India has ( or had pre-pandemic ) are multi billion tourist industry based on an influx of a large number of tourists from Western countries.
How are the India and State tourism hotels, resorts and hostels coping with these adversaries, as regards to their in-house restaurants and coffee shops?
Perhaps state tourism boards from Kerala and Delhi may not be affected ( "on vegetarians only rule" ) but how would the Federal Tourism Bureau ( there is a different name for it which I can't recall ) be affected.
Example: There used to be a hostel called Yatri Niwas in Delhi opposite the Meridian with a coffee shop.
I'm unsure where you heard of this "vegetarians only rule". The reason many outsiders presume Indians to be veggies is due to the number of veggies out there but they're still miniscule compared to the overall pop. While there are veg restaurants, you always have non-veg alternatives in higher numbers. Also, no state or central tourism board restricts non-veg to be served in hotels.
 
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Why does writing about food make me hungry?😋
But whenever I visit India l-o-n-g time into the next century I will miss Hyderabad House. The last time I was there the Delhi Airport Terminal transit lounge had some really impressive food courts and to my surprise a good many of the outlets were non-vegetarian. But my favorite vegetarian cuisine is what is generally called "Udupi" though I am not sure if I am describing it properly because when I looked it up it seemed to originate from Karnataka ( Bangalore ), but I found common items like dosas part of Tamilian cuisine also.
The food court had a "Udupi" stall and that is where I went...
I Love daal. In fact, most veg cuisine that is trans-pak-indian is good. I don't like the uniquely Indian stuff like Dosa.
 
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