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Did PAF Cross The LOC !

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You are wrong bro ... Pakistani planes crossed into IOK and it is a common knowledge ....
.... here is an official hand out of Indian ministry of defence
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It's funny how people deny and then believe/use Indian statements for argument as per their own convenience.

Read my comment again, You didn't understand it properly.

at Pak-Afg or Pak-Iran border ... ???

and why ...??
Sir jee cant go into details.
 
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It's funny how people deny and then believe/use Indian statements for argument as per their own convenience.

Read my comment again, You didn't understand it properly.


Sir jee cant go into details.

No one crossed LOC deliberately.... that’s what you said... so unless some mysterious force pulled our planes across LOC then I take Pakistanis deliberately crossed the border to bomb India at six different locations.

You make no sense ....
 
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No one crossed LOC deliberately.... that’s what you said... so unless some mysterious force pulled our planes across LOC then I take Pakistanis deliberately crossed the border to bomb India at six different locations.

You make no sense ....
You definitely don't know how aviation and aircrafts work.Plus there was a second part of my comment as well.

Dont drag me into unnecessary discussion, everyone is free to believe whom and whatever they want.You wanna trust Indian statements,sure go ahead,then believe their claim of shooting down an F16 and 300 people as well.You either believe them or you don't.
 
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You definitely don't know how aviation and aircrafts work.Plus there was a second part of my comment as well.

Dont drag me into unnecessary discussion, everyone is free to believe whom and whatever they want.You wanna trust Indian statements,sure go ahead,then believe their claim of shooting down an F16 and 300 people as well.You either believe them or you don't.


That’s called a classic stupid logic.... but good luck with what your cooks in your pot...
 
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Mate, There's no medal table neither I'm here to earn a status for myself.
I do have some contacts, both in and out....sometimes they are on the spot and sometimes they do get mixed up.....but then no one is perfect.
i joined PDF in 2015 ...... my assumptions are based on my observation ......
you have earned my medal :cheers:
 
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Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace and dropped bombs into Pakistani territory. And since Pakistan reciprocated and matched Indian actions to attain parity, it had to cross Indian airspace.

On the shooting of their helicopter, there is a popular notion that it was shot by their A2A missile instead of SAM.
 
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The US is said to have sent a condemnation to Pakistan for allegedly firing AIM-120 air air missiles on India's warplane with F-16 warplanes in Kashmir.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...-for-misusing-f-16s-document-shows?src=usn_tw
twisted report ..... letter was about the deployment of F-16 fleet on forward operational bases which were outside the access of US monitoring team for the F-16 fleet .... not about the involvement of F-16s in aerial engagement over Kashmir during Feb-2019
 
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This woman is good at producing BS mixed with facts..and extremely good at using her over-confident tone to sell it.
In all that talk of hers regardless she claimed there was no F-16 shot ,regardless she called the videos fake she comfortably pronounced Pakistan was hiding a terrorist camp in the end. This sort of speech would make illiterates in our country believe her on everything including that last part. And notice also how she declared the DoD reporter for the count as naive..and that DoD didnt pass any comment over it declaring thee report meaningless to draw any conclusion.
She perhaps doesnt know, how much time it takes to circumvent around all the bases hosting F-16 in Pakistan but she still challenged it..Because she doesnt have the empirical data she just challenged it..Well we are not going to give her the data nor we need to believe her.
She has faced a lot of sexism in India, probably some street gropers as well, she gets filled with rage upon anything sounding authoritative like how she reacted to that jerk sikh guy from the audience, though he was right that there is little punjabi spoken around that Naushehra area , he just lost his say because of his authoritative question.
She was in India at the invitation of the organizers, all expenses paid and at least a five-figure check in her purse hence she had to give some lip service to her hosts whose main purpose for inviting her must have been her anti-Pakistan stance. However, one has to admire her for being so candid in her observation and narrative. Few of here points certainly need to be mentioned again.
1: The Indian claim of their Spice missile effects were certainly laid bare, while Indians claimed that these missiles imploded inside the buildings thus no destruction was visible outside, Lol
As Christine Fair pointed out that such effects can only happen when a strengthen structure is attacked like Pentagon or a reinforced concrete bunker. The buildings in Balakot are nothing more than sheds with brick or wooden walls and a tin roof. Even if you drop a bag of cement from 100 feet on those buildings, they will most likely collapse let alone withstanding an explosion. Another point i made on these pages was, did the Indians use eco-friendly bombs, even if one is to believe the Indian version, if those bombs exploded, they should have caused fires but not a trickle of smoke was seen rising out of the complex. If nothing, the Red Indians can advise the Black Indians, how the smoke from even a small campfire is visible from miles around.....something not seen in Balakot.
2: She settled the argument on the IAF claims of shooting down an F-16 as nothing more than a ploy to de-escalate the situation. Basically the Indians were lying and fooling their public that what if PAF shot down an IAF MiG-21, the IAF has done better by shooting down an F-16.
She also reminded the Indians that the upgraded Bison was technically superior than F-16 and if the Indians really think that their MiG-21 can take care of F-16 than what's the need for something like Rafale....since you also have much more capable SU-30s, Mirage-2000s and MiG-29s........it's another thing that the host or the anchor didn't bring up the SU-30 kill.....we all know why. !!!
3: The former IAF Airchief, B S Dhanoa, has lost any credibility if he ever had any left.
To lend weight to his argument, he went searching back to 1965, 1971 and Kargil.....yet while standing before an audience in 2019, he was lying through his teeth on events which happened a few months earlier. While on one side he was claiming the F-16 kill, in the same breath he was cursing those who delayed the Rafale procurement, suggesting what could have been the results if Abhinandan was flying the Rafale on 27th Feb.
Alas, Mr Danoa, you have again shot yourself in the foot through this indirect admission, that PAF whacked the IAF on that day and your MKIs and Mirages couldn't do jack all.
 
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Are we paying 125 million USD for 60 US contractors over the next few years who will monitor F-16 on behalf of american goverment?

it says:
"The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for Technical Security Team (TST) in continued support of the F-16 program for an estimated cost of $125 million.The military sales are intended to help in the oversight of operations in support of the Pakistan Peace Drive advanced F-16 program"

are we paying to be monitored?

So we must never deploy them in forward bases, must never intrude indian airspace etc?

India can't copy an intact F-16 and an downed aircraft is useless anyway plus US has offered far more advanced versions of F-16 to india.

what they trying to protect?

This is unbelievably strange.
 
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Are we paying 125 million USD for 60 US contractors over the next few years who will monitor F-16 on behalf of american goverment?

it says:
"The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for Technical Security Team (TST) in continued support of the F-16 program for an estimated cost of $125 million.The military sales are intended to help in the oversight of operations in support of the Pakistan Peace Drive advanced F-16 program"

are we paying to be monitored?

So we must never deploy them in forward bases, must never intrude indian airspace etc?

India can't copy an intact F-16 and an downed aircraft is useless anyway plus US has offered far more advanced versions of F-16 to india.

what they trying to protect?

This is unbelievably strange.
To protect it from the Chinese.
 
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Why did the Indian ground defenses fired a Spyder SAM at a target flying within the Indian side of LOC ?. This is the point that has never been raised by Indian MOD or otherwise, at least not openly. Keep in mind that the Spyder SAMs, supplied by Israel to India has a maximum range of 20km.
As the details of operation Swift Retort gradually get leaked, the cause of Indian panic and desperation becomes obvious. Once again why fire a SAM over own airspace when you allegedly have own fighter jets in the area.
The whole scenario now confirms that the PAF actually crossed the LOC, not only to strike at Indian targets but also as a follow up.
It's now said that after IAF Pilot Wing Commander Abhinandan crossed the LOC and ended up getting shot down, PAF pilot Squadron Leader Hassan and party went over to challenge the IAF, thus during this process S/L Hassan fired his AMRAAM at the IAF formation scoring a hit on the SU-30 thus forcing the rest of the IAF fighters to flee from the scene. Since no IAF aircraft was in a position to challenge the intruding PAF fighters, thus in desperation the Indian ground defenses fired at what they assumed to be a PAF aircraft but shot down their own helicopter in process. So yes, throwing the challenge in broad daylight, the PAF did cross the LOC on that fateful day.
indians are making a movie of their victory
and this video will be seen religiously to the point that they will belive that their Mig 21shot down 300 F16S and Abhinanand killed 3000 kashmiri militants with his bare hands


whether or not PAF crossed the. LOC is debatable

one thing is for sure. indian mig fell on our side of LOC and PAF scare crossed the loc.resulting.in a loss of SU 30 and a helicopter
 
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indians are making a movie of their victory
and this video will be seen religiously to the point that they will belive that their Mig 21shot down 300 F16S and Abhinanand killed 3000 kashmiri militants with his bare hands


whether or not PAF crossed the. LOC is debatable

one thing is for sure. indian mig fell on our side of LOC and PAF scare crossed the loc.resulting.in a loss of SU 30 and a helicopter
Ironically, no Indian media or person has the sanity to ask their authorities on the version of events from Abhinandan's mouth who after all they claim was the shooter. While PAF presented all the pilots involved in the operation and let them tell the world what they did, the Indians OTOH, left it to their Air chief to dish out different stories on daily basis.
Maybe Abhinandan is too much of a gentleman to peddle Indian lies.....or maybe he is waiting to become a box office star before switching sides.
 
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