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An interesting article from CCTV, but not about demanding apologies. Got the title from the CCTV News newsfeed on WeChat which has the very same article with the same content, but under a different title. As a side note, the photos were also added from the article on WeChat.
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Netizens' words on China's trauma left by Japan

Japan deeply hurt Chinese people in in the 1930s and 1940s when it invaded China. Seventy years have passed since China won the war against fascism, but what are netizens saying about the trauma left by Japan?

On September 3, China will mark the 70th anniversary of the victory against Japanese aggression in World War II.

But history casts a long shadow, and even today the experiences of WWII continue affecting the bilateral relationship.

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For many Chinese, the memories of the traumatic past continue to linger, as evident in the commemorative services held each year.

Often in the past, on social media in China, people’s anger has boiled over, with some calling for a boycott of Japanese products. But with time, the voices have become calmer and more rational.

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"We shall not only remember the history, but also be reasonable. If we really love our country, don’t just curse Japan, it only makes us look childish. Instead we shall have cleaner streets, more civilized people and more reliable products. This is patriotism in its real sense," a netizen wrote.

Meanwhile, across in Japan, many netizens have been very vocal about how distortions of history at home have left people with little understanding of China and Korea’s frustrations with Japan.

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For instance, a 26-year-old Japanese user on Reddit explained that for most of his compatriots, the information regarding Japanese war crimes during WWII is condensed to “maybe 1-2 pages combined in textbooks.”

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Another user remarked how such a situation has meant that his father “doesn't understand why China and Korea can't stop complaining about the war.”

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The distortions of history are largely because attempts by some right-wing Japanese officials who have sought to downplay or gloss over war-time atrocities, such as the Nanjing Massacre, the use of biological weapons and so-called “comfort women.”

Just this month, Japanese politician Toshio Tamogami publicly denied the Nanjing Massacre in an interview with the BBC, which triggered massive international backlash on Facebook.

So the question before today’s generation is how will the past affect our future? The choice, in that matter, lies in the decisions that people in both countries make in the present.

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Perhaps this post by a Jewish-American social media user can offer a way forward: "I learned German, the language of a people who nearly wiped out mine. Why? The Germans of today have broken with the Germans of yesterday. If I could love Germany, then it is possible for the Chinese to love a future Japan.”

Netizens' words on China's trauma left by Japan - CCTV News - CCTV.com English
 
The war time crimes glossing over is evident in PDF threads relating to jpn war crimes let alone in jpn

The proposal in the OP is not possible as far as I see it even if the WW2 traumas are set aside

New conflicts are still waging on which are:

1. the likely scrapping of the Japanese "Pacifist Constitution"

2. Japan is actively and militarily taking sides in SCS
Japan rewrites foreign aid rules to include military assistance - World Socialist Web Site
Testing Beijing, Japan eyes growing role in South China Sea security
Japan’s Two Soryu Class Submarine For The Philippines Now Considered
Japan and U.S. to establish military bases in the Philippines

3. Japan is fostering an independent Taiwan ...

Lee met with Shinzo Abe: TV Tokyo - Taipei Times

and Tibet

Exile Tibetan administration appoints new Tokyo and Canberra mission heads | Tibetan Review

and Xinjiang


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4. plus Diaoyu Islands and :

Japan demands China halt oil exploration in part of East China Sea ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

5. the US factor
 
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@Nihonjin1051 an important read, this is basically a hope for a new beginning if both sides move in the right direction

There's no reason why there can't be rapproachment , in fact , I would say that tho there are various factors and political groups in both countries that may cause antagonism due to differences in politics, overall, the general population would do well to have greater inter-Japanese-Chinese cooperation in various fields. The Chinese and Japanese can do well to bind their relatiosn by focusing on environmental cooperation , weather assistance cooperation, educational / academic cooperation, health and medical, medical research, agrarian science cooperation, food engineering, chemical processing and chemical hazards waste disposal cooperation, inter-cultural development projects etc.

To be honest, there's a lot of opportunities to be had between the two. Politics is one thing, my friend, but nations are not governed solely on differences of politics, that is just one aspect of the national spectrum.

@TaiShang my friend, would you not agree?



Kind regards to all
(sorry for my late response, i've been busy again with work piling up again, lol)


@Nihonjin1051
 
It is always the present which matters.The past is relatively irrelavent.territory dispute and the attitude of japanese government makes China and japan wouldn't become “friend” in predictable future.And after all,Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests,so "real friend" is really meaningless.
 
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There is absolutely no reason a Chinese person cannot be friends with a Japanese person at a personal level.

At a country to country level though, there probably wont be friendship with Japan within our lifetimes. Give it a couple of centuries at least for the effects of world war 2 to fade slightly.
 
There is absolutely no reason a Chinese person cannot be friends with a Japanese person at a personal level.

At a country to country level though, there probably wont be friendship with Japan within our lifetimes. Give it a couple of centuries at least for the effects of world war 2 to fade slightly.

Correct
But generally the basic principles of choosing true friends are their characters and they must be unhypocritical
I dont find anyone on the forum in respect of jpnese members here fit for these basics

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There's no reason why there can't be rapproachment , in fact , I would say that tho there are various factors and political groups in both countries that may cause antagonism due to differences in politics, overall, the general population would do well to have greater inter-Japanese-Chinese cooperation in various fields. The Chinese and Japanese can do well to bind their relatiosn by focusing on environmental cooperation , weather assistance cooperation, educational / academic cooperation, health and medical, medical research, agrarian science cooperation, food engineering, chemical processing and chemical hazards waste disposal cooperation, inter-cultural development projects etc.

To be honest, there's a lot of opportunities to be had between the two. Politics is one thing, my friend, but nations are not governed solely on differences of politics, that is just one aspect of the national spectrum.

@TaiShang my friend, would you not agree?



Kind regards to all
(sorry for my late response, i've been busy again with work piling up again, lol)


@Nihonjin1051

forget them. read this instead.

Amazon.co.jp: インドネシアの人々が証言する日本軍政の真実−大東亜戦争は侵略戦争ではなかった。 (シリーズ日本人の誇り 6): 桜の花出版編集部, 発行 桜の花出版/発売 星雲社: 本
 
It is always the present which matters.The past is relatively irrelavent.territory dispute and the attitude of japanese government makes China and japan wouldn't become “friend” in predictable future.And after all,Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests,so "real friend" is really meaningless.

that is the quote from an american which is what they are pracitising in their policies
China may do it better than the Americans even in the past we were sold out by some countries

According to my observation, this OP wants China to be friends with anyone, inlcuding real enemies like Japan and Turkey.

The OP and some other Chinese (flag) members are trying to be friendly with the japanese

That's their own choice despite from what I have observed so far one japanese member is a friend of our enemies and the other a crude japanese which I appreciate for his straight-forwardness. The second japanese is a standard sample of the opinion of vast majority of japanese on Chinese
 
There are a lot of liberal Chinese sell out in China. Not saying the OP is one of them.

agreed
look around here on pdf you can readily find several of these wasabis

It came from a britain prime minister.And I don't understand why you keep repeating that China is betrayed and be invaded like a complaining pussy which have been banged by a hooker that don't pay.Haven't you been taught that the weaklings would always be eaten,bullied in this jungle world in school?Instead blaming others,one should get stronger,cuz it actually works.Being bullied is a shame to me,I don't like talk like a pussy complaining all day along.It makes one look weak and pathetic.

betrayed - not by the japanese but by vietcongs and albania by whom we were betrayed. in good faiths we had provided assistance to these 2 countries when they were in difficult times in exchange for nothing but betrayal in return. Soviet Union's betrayal was a different story

the japanese has been atagonistic to us ever which cannot be contrued as betrayal
Regarding the statement of " friends and interests: if it is said by a brit then so be it. the yankies are following the brits' practice anyway arent they

Strength is exercised when needed
What do you mean we or I intended to bend for bullies
You have a comprehesion problem of my stance towards the japanese and the other enemies
You dont expose you part un-nessarily when you have no urge for sex
Get it?
 
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