Desi Bofors better than original one

[ashok321]

http://www.theweek.in/news/india/desi-bofors-better-than-original-Parrikar.html

The Indian version of the controversial but battle proven Bofors artillery guns Dhanush is much better than the original howitzers in terms of its striking range and automated equipment, says Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar.

The Dhanush guns are being manufactured by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) based on the designs of the original Bofors Ag supplied to India in the 1980s.

"Special features of Dhanush guns are that it has 8 km more range than Bofors and is equipped with several other modern systems. We have already placed orders for 114 guns with the OFB," Parrikar said.

The other features which help the desi Bofors score over the original version include 'modified double baffle muzzle brake and a modified loading trough to accommodate Bi Modular Charge System (BMCS)."

The gun, a towed howitzer, with a strike range of 38 km, was developed by Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), Kolkata, after going through the design and voluminous documents, running into more than 12,000 pages, which were delivered to India under the first phase of transfer of technology as part of the Bofors gun deal in late 80s. At the moment, the army has been given six prototypes of the gun by the OFB for extensive user trials.

Meanwhile, the army will get a boost in its artillery as the government is also close to signing a contract with the US government for the supply of 145 M777 ultra light howitzers.

The procurement of the $750 howitzers was recently cleared by Parrikar at the meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) by Parrikar.

As part of the contract, 25 guns will come to India in a fly-away condition, while the rest would be assembled at the proposed Assembly Integration and Test facility for the weapon system in India in partnership with Mahindra Defence Systems.

The Indian Army has been deprived of a new artillery gun since the late 1980s, when the Bofors scandal happened and India put a stop on all gun procurement from Bofors of Switzerland.

However, the gun performed very well during the 1999 Kargil conflict with Pakistan and hit the fortified Pakistani Army bunkers in direct-fire mode at high altitudes leading to the victory of Indian forces in the limited war.

After the scam, the Indian Army has tried on various occasions to buy new guns but at least four tenders were cancelled due to various reasons.

 

[ashok321]

 

[zebra7]

HOW IT IS BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL. PLS EXPLAIN POINT WISE ???????????????????????

 

[ashok321]

India beats super Sweden in its own game, ToT notwithstanding:

Beside being the cost effective and indigenously manufactured, this gun has better range, accuracy, caliber beside other goodies.

Trials a hit, desi Bofors outguns Swedish original - Times of India

 

[Skull and Bones]

A decade is lost, as those buggers had been sitting on the TOT without them even knowing about it.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Everything India does is better.

 

[ashok321]

 

[ashok321]

 

[#hydra#]

HOW IT IS BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL. PLS EXPLAIN POINT WISE ???????????????????????

Because we said so.

 

[Taygibay]

Ashok mate, this post will complete Zebra's.
It is part of my relentless attack on poor mil journalism and thus
NOT directed at downplaying India because despite public opinion,
media outfits from the world over are just about equally bad.

I first jumped at your OP like Zebra did on account of this :

"Special features of Dhanush guns are that it has 8 km more range than Bofors and is equipped with several other modern systems. We have already placed orders for 114 guns with the OFB," Parrikar said.

Pure stupidity at least in the use of language!
Several other systems? The first phrase in that sentence mentions range ...
and range is not a system so that "other systems" is a clear misnomer here.
Range is a feature, systems are systems so they don't make up a category.

My first thought was that the simplest way to add range was a better projectile ...
and lo and behold, that is what your additional source ended up revealing :

"The desi howitzer has been upgraded to 45-calibre from the 39-calibre of the original Bofors gun to extend its strike range
to 38 km with "extended range, full-bore" ammunition."​

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...uns-Swedish-original/articleshow/47076413.cms

Excellent idea BTW but not really a system.

Then,

The gun ... was developed by Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), Kolkata, after going through the design and voluminous documents, running into more than 12,000 pages, which were delivered to India under the first phase of transfer of technology as part of the Bofors gun deal in late 80s.

That sounds suspiciously like an unpaid for copy! The good news being that
India then apparently caught on to the efficient Chinese reverse engineering?
No problem there, in mil matters, results count more than fairplay.
It still took almost 30 years for 6 prototypes(/LRIP units) though.

The article than jumps to the upcoming US machines ( actually BAe but fine ) and says :

US government for the supply of 145 M777 ultra light howitzers.

The procurement of the $750 howitzers was recently cleared by Parrikar at the meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) by Parrikar.

LOL! 750$ ???? Must have had a crore rupee exchange rate problem.
The M777 is mostly made lighter thanks to the use of titanium, man!
I have a titanium mountain bike that costs upward of ten times as much!
If the USA sells them to you guys at 750 bucks a piece, forget MII, buy
those and kiss Washington's feet!
In fact, buy more and open a shop for resale!

And then, this part was truly incredible :

However, the gun performed very well during the 1999 Kargil conflict with Pakistan and hit the fortified Pakistani Army bunkers in direct-fire mode at high altitudes leading to the victory of Indian forces in the limited war.

Really? And to think India spent money on M2000 jet fighters and the likes ...
when all that was required was lifting the ban on Bofors and a few more guns?*

Funny memory too of that ban lift and the first charges in the Bofors scandal
occurring the same year. Who says wars don't sell?

All in all, a shoddy piece of reporting, man! Your second attempt was much better.
So, remember, a bad source can ruin a good argument and destroy a reputation ...
yours as a forum member I mean, not the lost cause that is your pseudo-mil media.

Don't apply enthusiasm for your country first, mate! Read the piece critically and then,
if by some miracle it is not filled with patriotic teenage angst over tiny shreds of reality,
use it to further your point and all will be fine.

Have a great day, Tay.

* 410 bought, less than 200 in use, quite an attrition rate!
The Dhanush will be right on time.

P.S. Oh, and ... artillery has progressed a lot in those 3 decades. Just one example :
Caesar original :

Caesar 2016 at DSEI :

That change took all of 21 years : 1994 - 2015.

 

[ashok321]

What is this called?

Let me see how many people have some basic knowledge of tools involved in fabrication:

 

[punit]

HOW IT IS BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL. PLS EXPLAIN POINT WISE ???????????????????????

yeah ! better than a 30 year old design ! Mighty achievements by the dodos of Babudom !

 

[Desist]

Forgot to mention that its been more than 20 years that the original has come out. Idiots.

 

[punit]

Because we said so.

if this is Indigenous development .. than god have mercy on us !

 

[ashok321]

If the thrust is on betterment, it clearly stands out and is conspicuous for everyone to realize - As for as the Desi Bofors.
The poor language of a journalist carries little weight, something that is inconsequential, when we compare about qualities of questioned howitzers.

We are trying to match the product from its head to tail with its predecessor.
And clearly, the Desi Bofors is a clear cut winner.

There is a lot of material out there involving these two guns, hence do not fall for single article that may be poorly written.

Don't miss the forest for the trees

if this is Indigenous development .. than god have mercy on us !

Tejas is what?
Arihant is what?

Indigenous or not?