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Defining The Punjabi Taliban Network

I am more angry on them then you , but we should not change the definations of islam for them.

What ever they are doing they will be answerable to Allah and minimum punishment their activities is death sentence.

I agree.....

but we can't wait for them to be "answerable" because before they answer to Allah SWT -- they send truck bombs into my cities; they bomb Mosque; they bomb girls school; and they are insulting my institutions and my country

they are only serving enemies of Pakistan. Taleban or TTP -- makes no bloody difference to me.


We should promote lashkar against them --- using men like the disciples of Qari Zainuddin and also Turkistan Bhittani.
 
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I agree.....

but we can't wait for them to be "answerable" because before they answer to Allah SWT -- they send truck bombs into my cities; they bomb Mosque; they bomb girls school; and they are insulting my institutions and my country

they are only serving enemies of Pakistan. Taleban or TTP -- makes no bloody difference to me.


We should promote lashkar against them --- using men like the disciples of Qari Zainuddin and also Turkistan Bhittani.

When any crime or sin increased from certain level , Allah definately send his help to vanish this sin from society.

We should blame our previous governments that they gave them freedom to flourish on our soil.Now tumor of talibanization become cancer and start attacking our our major institutions and also young brains.

We need to develop a comprehensive anti cancer drug which can cut down link of this cancer from Al Qaeda which is much bigger cancer active and damaging heart and brain of muslim ummah and sucking blood of muslim countries.

Nations can be raised from ashes like Japan but terrorism and corruption are more dangrous then Atomic Bomb paralising whole body of muslim ummah.

All muslim countries should try to develop a united defence system against terrorism and extremisim to protect our future generations.
 
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There we go again and again.
First Islamabad will be taken over by Taliban now south Punjab. What next Karachi. And then the world.
Let it rest and think straight no Pakistan want to live like Taliban because they do n t understand Islam at all. Getting knowledge is also jihad and fighting is also jihad but fighting is the last option.
 
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Editorial: Threat from Jhang
Daily Times

While the champions of Seraikistan and politicians of North Punjab jointly disavow any decline of South Punjab into a stronghold of religious terrorists, our National Assembly has echoed with warnings about the persistence in Jhang of the dominance of Sipah Sahaba Pakistan (SSP). In answer to an alarming report by an MNA, the interior minister, Mr Rehman Malik, told the house that the government had asked the provinces to “keep a watch over it”.

The PMLQ MNA Sheikh Waqqas Akram was in fact saying something else. He was worried about a conspiracy to allow some elements that had been subdued after a struggle of 15 years to stage a comeback in Jhang. Mr Rehman should have taken note of that and not dumped the entire thing on the provinces. Policy about what to do with militants is made at the centre, perhaps away from the scrutiny of the politicians.

Mr Akram was sketching in some detail the features of this comeback by the terrorist organisation. He said Jhang was once again the stamping ground of armed clerics who have armies of young men at their command. Like everyone serving Al Qaeda, there is no dearth of funds for these militants in Jhang, and the government is intimidated by their growing power. But who is allowing the SSP to stage a comeback?

Clearly, lack of action on the part of the government and its law-enforcement institutions is a major factor. The lower courts are scared of convicting SSP men and it is now the foreign press that is reporting news about the imminent release of the most dreaded killer of SSP, Akram Lahori, because “there is no evidence against him”. There is little real reporting from the districts where the terrorists exploit a weak writ of the state to intimidate local journalists.

As for “permission” from the “centre”, the SSP made its comeback in 2006 after years of being hunted as a sectarian killer. According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) handout of April 10, 2006, the SSP held its rally in Islamabad presumably with the approval of the administration. The Friday rally preached jihad and sectarianism. The police stood aside and watched, despite the fact that the literature being distributed was against the law. The SSP speakers were heard “thanking” the Islamabad administration for letting them stage the rally.

MNA Akram was pointing to a very specific case. He said that all the 200 Sipah Sahaba activists arrested in Jhang — after a judge took a suo moto notice of an incident of violence — had been released “one by one”; and that he had learned during a visit to Gojra that members of the same group had attacked the Christians in Gojra, burning seven of them alive.

He said more, for the attention of the interior minister: Why was a leader of SSP allowed to address his arrested group activists in jail and to go around the country despite the fact that SSP was a banned organisation? His words were: “Don’t leave us at the mercy of these maulvis”. Mr Rehman kept saying it was a provincial subject, but down in Punjab the feudal politicians had decided not to crib openly about the armed maulvis, from the point of view of their own security.

Why are the South Punjabis sceptical about standing up to the old jihadis-turned-terrorists? The answer is quite near the surface if you talk to them. It is the centre and the agencies at the centre — who have handled these elements as “assets” of the state in the past — that send down signals that no one dare ignore. How can Mr Rehman Malik control these agencies? The last time he tried to bring one under his wings he nearly lost his job.

Talking of South Punjab, recent reports from Rahimyar Khan say a killer group from Dera Ghazi Khan has arrived in the district and is projecting its power on the basis of its links with the clergy of Lal Masjid of Islamabad. Worse, last week the lobby of retired army officers has issued another call in defence of Lal Masjid, asking the government to try General Musharraf for attacking it in 2007. Similarly, retired ISI officers are running human rights NGOs defending the very killers the people dread and are choosing as their masters because the state is shy to take on the killers.
 
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SSP is their new name, their original name was ***(Anjuman sipah shahba).they had changed it when learn the meaning of ***.

In the past some Govt. support them or don't get any action against their sacretrian activities.
they are also belong to salfi/takfiri group who believe to kill every human being except their own sect believers.
 
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So back then members of anjuman Sipah sahaba were to be called ***-es??
 
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I am from Southern Punjab basically cotton producing area ,poverty level is low as compare to FATA and NWFP and Balochistan.There is no chance of any insurgency in near future.Mostly Baloch sardar and Punajabi farmers have more land holdings , there are few madrasahs own or supported by SSP but they are ineffective because local strong farmer and buisness community.
 
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In the past some Govt. support them or don't get any action against their sacretrian activities.
they are also belong to salfi/takfiri group who believe to kill every human being except their own sect believers.

What a S**T, you yourself are spreading sectarian hater and puting allegation on salafs.. great ... I always see you dragging sectarian hater, whats your agenda man? Can you explain?
 
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Despite the ban, and repeated vows by governments to root out militancy, Jaish is thriving. — Photo by Reuters


BAHAWALPUR: Three burly gunmen stand menacingly at the gate of a mosque complex in the town of Bahawalpur as hundreds of men file in listen to a prayer for victory of Muslim fighters around the world.

This is Osman-o-Ali, the headquarters of Jaish-i-Mohammad, an al-Qaeda-linked militant group which has a long record of violence including an assassination attempt on former president Pervez Musharraf.

While Pakistan's attention is focused on the Taliban and al-Qaeda threat on the Afghan border in the remote northwest, there are fears that the militants are quietly expanding their influence and winning recruits in the country's heartland.

‘South Punjab is a fertile ground for extremists and militants,’ said security analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi.

The flourishing Jaish complex in Bahawalpur, in the south of Punjab province, illustrates the ambivalence that Pakistani authorities have long shown towards hardline Islamists.

Islamist factions were nurtured by the security agencies during the 1980s and 1990s when they sent their fighters into Afghanistan to take on Soviet occupiers and later into Indian-administered Kashmir region to battle security forces.

But Jaish was officially outlawed by Musharraf in early 2002 after it and another group, Lashkar-i-Taiba, were blamed for an attack on the Indian parliament which brought Pakistan and India to the brink of their fourth war.

Despite the ban, and repeated vows by governments to root out militancy, Jaish is thriving. It and an allied group are believed to have thousands of young cadres fighting western forces in Afghanistan and the Pakistani army in the northwest.

Plots hatched here on the dusty plains and shabby towns of southern Punjab can reach around the world.

Rashid Rauf, a British-born al-Qaeda operative and suspect in a 2006 plot to blow up transatlantic airliners, was a member of Jaish and was known to have lived in Bahawalpur with his wife.

‘Jihad hub’

Security analyst Ayesha Siddiqa says south Punjab has become ‘the hub of jihadism’ and the authorities are in denial.

The region is critical to planning, recruitment and logistical support for terrorist attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan, she wrote recently in Newsline magazine.

Punjab provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah acknowledged the hardliners have many thousands of sympathisers but he dismisses talk of a threat to the state.

‘There is no challenge to the government,’ Sanaullah, who is also responsible for security, told Reuters in an interview in his office in the provincial capital of Lahore.

‘They can detonate bombs or carry out suicide attacks but they cannot establish their bases in Punjab,’ he said.

On the outskirts of Bahawalpur, the Jaish group has acquired a plot of land of about five acres (1.7 hectares) which some people fear could be a militant training camp.

The plot is surrounded by a brick wall but from a nearby road one can see cows and buffaloes feeding in stables.

A security official said authorities had turned a blind eye to the acquisition of the land by an outlawed group but said they would not be allowed to pursue militant activities.

‘Let me assure you they don't have the guts to challenge the government,’ said the official, who declined to be identified.

Mohammad Riaz Chughtai, a cleric with links to Jaish leaders, said the group planned to build a madrassah on the land and no militant training was going on.

But youngsters are being recruited in Punjab and sent for training on the Afghan border. Police recently detained five teenagers on charges of receiving militant training in South Waziristan, the main stronghold of the Pakistani Taliban.

‘They wanted me to become a suicide bomber. They told me that jihad was obligatory,’ 16-year-old Mohammad Ibrahim told interrogators, according to a police transcript.

Sanaullah said there were tens of thousands of such people all over Pakistan, including many who previous governments trained for war in Afghanistan and then discarded.

‘We can't kill all of them, arrest them or detain them for interrogation,’ Sanaullah said. ‘What we can do is that the one who is very active will be arrested and interrogated.’

Rizvi said government negligence and lingering sympathy for the militants in some quarters were to blame.

‘There is still sympathy for these militant groups,’ Rizvi said. ‘But they cannot establish a mini-state of their own as they did in the tribal areas.’
 
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Govt. is waiting for Hatching of new breed terrorist in this region.
Why the Govt. always wait and look when seed of terrorism sown and grown??
 
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govt dont wait
it preempts
its people like you who makes issue and defame ur country

un ease lies in head who wears crown and thanks God ppl like you never

Should govt tell its policies and strategies to every tom dick and herry?
its not iran its pakistan

we have a shia president and brelvi PM

Pakistan Army alone has lost more than 2000 braves in war on terror
do you think they will be silant on this
 
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govt dont wait
it preempts
its people like you who makes issue and defame ur country

un ease lies in head who wears crown and thanks God ppl like you never

Should govt tell its policies and strategies to every tom dick and herry?
its not iran its pakistan

we have a shia president and brelvi PM

Pakistan Army alone has lost more than 2000 braves in war on terror
do you think they will be silant on this

Who are defaming our country??
The people who are supporting terrorist or condemning the terrorist
This is a very simple answer , you can fit one as per his rule.

we have a shia president and brelvi PM
This shows your secretarial thinking.

Qaud e Azam was also belong to Shia Khoja community.
Can you change this title from the Founder of Pakistan.???

More than 2000 of Army person had lost in kargil ,what do you think about the withdraw strategy after all this loss.??
 
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Are these militants allowed to march with guns in Pakistan ? I always wonder whether there are any forms of strict gun control laws in these areas where you see militants letting off a few rounds. Is Pakistan like the USA where its civilians may walk into a gun shop and buy guns by purely producing identification or is it more strict on arms control ?
 
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Sunday, 11 Oct, 2009

LONDON: The attack on the Pakistan Army headquarters has highlighted the threat not just from militants in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, but from those based in the country’s Punjab province.

Security officials said some of the militants involved in the attack in the city of Rawalpindi, next door to the capital, Islamabad, appeared to have links to Punjab.

The attack came as the army prepared an offensive in South Waziristan, the stronghold of the Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP), or Pakistani Taliban, in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

‘All roads lead to South Waziristan,’ Interior Minister Rehman Malik said on Saturday, after a week of violence which included an attack on a UN office in Islamabad and a suspected suicide bombing which killed 49 people in Peshawar.

‘Now the government has no other option but to launch an offensive,’ he said.

But even if the military manages to pin down Pakistani Taliban fighters in South Waziristan, the country remains vulnerable to attacks by Punjab-based militants acting either in concert with the TTP or alone.

‘South Punjab has become the hub of jihadism,’ Pakistani analyst Ayesha Siddiqa wrote in a magazine article last month.

‘Yet, somehow, there are still many people in Pakistan who refuse to acknowledge this threat,’ she wrote.

Security officials said a militant arrested after the 22-hour-long attack and hostage-taking at army headquarters was believed be a member of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an al-Qaeda-linked Punjab-based group.

Some hostage takers’ phone calls were intercepted and they were speaking Punjabi, another security official said.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik said, however, it was too early to say whether Punjab-based groups were involved.

North West Frontier Province Information Minister Iftikhar Hussain called on Saturday for the elimination of militant bases in Punjab. Even if a South Waziristan offensive was successful militants would still get help from Punjab, he told reporters.

But targeting all the militants at once could create an even more dangerous coalition by driving disparate groups closer together to make common cause with the Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda in fighting the state, analysts say.

The army also draws many of its recruits from Punjab, making any efforts to root out militants there all the harder.

‘Deploying the military is not an option. In the Punjab this will create a division within the powerful army because of regional loyalty,’ wrote Siddiqa.

Confronting militant organisations directly could make them more dangerous by driving them underground, and creating splinter groups that would be even harder to control, diplomats and analysts say.

Defence analyst Brian Cloughley said the attack on the army’s headquarters showed how little support militants had in the military and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

‘The ISI is hardly going to support militants – even ‘selected’ militants – when it is obvious that main targets are their own people,’ he said. —REUTERS

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | GHQ attack highlights Punjab threat
 
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Pakistan's 'new zone of militancy'

Fears are growing that Pakistan's militancy may be spreading deeper into the country, far beyond the Afghan border region. The Pakistani Taliban said a faction of the group based in Punjab, the country's most prosperous province, had carried out a deadly attack on army headquarters in Rawalpindi on 10 October. From southern Punjab, Orla Guerin reports.

Abdul Razzaq, at the graves of his children
Abdul Razzaq's life has been shattered

Adbul Razzaq had one thing left after the explosion which consumed half his village, and claimed 17 lives. His house, his livestock and most of his family were gone. What remained intact was a single wooden chair.

When the blast happened at about 0900 on 13 July he was flung into the branches of a tree.

After regaining consciousness, he started digging in the rubble for his children, who had been playing in the yard. He located them three houses away.

"We found one of my sons beheaded," he said, running both hands along the sides of his neck. "I collapsed when I saw his body. My other son lived for a few moments and then stopped breathing.

"When we dug out my daughter, she was dead already."

Brutal wake-up call

All three lie in unmarked graves in a cemetery beside a field of cotton. Abdul Razzaq described his losses calmly, but his slight frame is withered by grief. His one surviving child was seriously injured in the blast. He keeps asking for his brothers and sisters.


Village bomber
If God gives me a chance in the future I'll go and fight the Americans and the British

"My heart is not at peace," Abdul Razzaq said. "I can't sit in one place. I just roam around the village, from one place to another."

The explosion in his remote village was one of a series of brutal wake-up calls about the growing militant threat in south Punjab.

Interviews we have conducted with senior police officers, independent analysts and militants in custody suggest that southern Punjab could be Pakistan's next battleground.

Internal police documents we have seen paint a picture of a province at risk.

One report states that poverty stricken, extremely feudalistic and illiterate south Punjab could possibly provide shelter to Taliban and other jihadi outfits. It has the potential to become a nursery or a major centre for sectarian recruitment.

Some experts here argue that it has already reached that point. One describes it as a factory for suicide bombers.

Police say that al-Qaeda has access to a labour pool via the banned sectarian group Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), among others.

Containment

Al-Qaeda is operating as a parasitic presence on a loose network of militant groups in Punjab, according to Azmat Abbas, a Pakistani analyst who has been tracking militancy for years. Al-Qaeda moves in and then it takes over the organisation.


Mr Abbas says that he is worried by Pakistan's response to a threat that is now flaring in several places at once.

"The problem seems to be one of containment," he says, "militants are not just focusing on Punjab, we need to be fighting on several fronts at the same time."

Police in the town of Sargodha confirm that al-Qaeda, operating under the banner of the Punjab Taliban, is the main enemy they face.

They have managed to crack several militant cells this year, arresting more than 30 suspects including alleged masterminds and financiers.

"We have made a dent," said district police officer Usman Anwar.

"They are on the run, looking for hideouts. Our raids have stopped recruitment for the future. The heroes they worshipped are now in jail."

Mr Anwar says the fight is now going his way and the odds of victory are 80/20.

But for Usman Anwar, and others like him in the frontline against the militants, there is a key concern.

Several of those arrested in recent months were not even on police radar screens - like the man who blew up Abdul Razzaq's village. He was a respected local school teacher.

Locals in the area told us they never suspected him of any wrong-doing. They gathered round near the bomb site, men on one side and women on the other, describing him as very serious, gentle and kind.

"He was just like a brother," one villager said. "He was born here and educated here. How could we know what he was doing at home?"

Nurtured by the state

A white-haired elder joined in. "We used to hear about bombs going off in other places," he said. "We would try to imagine what that was like. Now we know the result is total devastation."

We met the man who admits that he is to blame for the blast. For legal reasons we cannot identify him. He was hooded and chained during our interview.

He is linked to militants fighting in Afghanistan and said that he was storing explosives for them. When asked if he ever thought of the friends and neighbours he had killed, he wept as he replied.

"I am ready to go on my knees and beg forgiveness from everyone affected," he said.

"I pray the dead rest in peace. Had I known what would happen I would never have kept the explosives. I am grieving because I made such a big mistake and so many people died."

But he said he would have been happy if his explosives had killed British and American forces in Afghanistan.

"I would have been very happy," he said. "If God gives me a chance in the future I'll go and fight the Americans and the British."

The school teacher said that he was trained at a militant camp in Afghanistan in 1998, but never fought there. He stressed that in those days jihadis like him had the government's support.

Some of the groups menacing Punjab now were nurtured by the state in the past. They were tools of government policy in Afghanistan and Kashmir. While they still appear to have their protectors in Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the ISI, these days they are feeling the cold.

The militants did not take kindly to being dumped, according to a policeman heavily involved in hunting them down.

"They were like cheap soldiers for the Pakistan army," he said. "They were pampered by government agencies. But after 9/11, the government stopped providing money, support and places for training and they turned on the state. They are like jilted lovers."

Pakistan's Interior Minister, Rehman Malik, has expressed concerns about the growing threat in south Punjab.

Britain and America will be hoping that Pakistan reacts more quickly to this danger than it did to others in the past.

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