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Report is in the link...

It is 220 pages...

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But we are able to read 43 pages of it...

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T.C. CUMHURBAŞKANLIĞI : Savunma Reformu Çalışma Grubu Raporunu Tamamladı

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News link...

Cumhurbaşkanlığının savunma reformu raporu - İç Politika Haberleri
 
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Spot on bro...

There are dozens of things that we can predict about the future of TSK and conscription. If they'll decrease the professional draftees age to 20 as it recommended, I may apply just after the uni. Bcz 25-29 is too late. I'd rather serve for 3 years with active duty and better kits, equipment instead of 1 year being the post man of an officer or serving at a Social Facility.
 
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Here is the corresponding document translated into English by an online translator ;furthermore scanned for mistypes and corrections in some words, formed into a considerable text , still there are points which is not clear but mean of full text might be understood.

Some points considered as critical in my opinion (scanned through 10th-30th page);

Page 20

Management of all relevant institutions within the scope of the integrity of defense (MoD, General Staff Presidency, Land Forces, Naval Forces Command, Air Force
Command) will gather in the same campus similar to United States or France on the creation of a similar physical environment should also be considered.

Savunma yönetiminin bütünlüğü kapsamında ilgili bütün kurumları (MSB, Genelkurmay
Başkanlığı, Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı, Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı, Hava Kuvvetleri
Komutanlığı) aynı kampüs içinde toplayacak ABD’de veya Fransa’dakine benzer bir fiziksel mekân oluşturulması üzerinde de düşünülmelidir.

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In the context of the military organization, the following points are important:
 Concept creation, test, analyze, create doctrine, training, exercises and received
course of the process with the participation of all relevant stakeholders, based on a scientific basis, be addressed from the perspective of commonality and process improvement work done,
 restructuring the Armed Forces as the balanced forces; the Navy and Air Force's capacity to be increased, adoption of a balance policy aimed at this context, Appointment as Chief of General Staff of alternating between the forces be considered,
 the mandate of the Ministry of National Defense General Staff and the re-
arranged.

Askeri teşkilat bağlamında aşağıdaki hususlar da önem arz etmektedir:
 Konsept oluşturma, deneme, analiz etme, doktrin oluşturma, eğitim, tatbikat ve alınan
dersler süreçlerinin ilgili tüm paydaşların katılımıyla bilimsel temele dayalı olarak,
müştereklik bakış açısıyla ele alınması ve süreç iyileştirme çalışmaları yapılması,
 TSK’nın dengeli güç olarak yeniden yapılanması kapsamında Deniz ve Hava Kuvvetleri’nin
kapasitelerinin artırılmasına yönelik bir politikanın benimsenmesi, bu bağlamda
Genelkurmay Başkanı’nın da kuvvetler arasında dönüşümlü olarak atanmasının
düşünülmesi,
 Genelkurmay Başkanlığı ve Milli Savunma Bakanlığı’nın görev tanımlarının yeniden
yapılması.

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In the context of the development of force structure;
- Activating and extending the capabilities of the Army,
- Navy and Air Force of amplification,
- Special Forces of the development of capacity and capability,
- Gendarmerie, to Armed Forces; Coast Guard to be an integral part of the Marine Corps, in peacetime to resume on joint training and exercises ;and it is necessary to recognize each other very well; continued interoperability of the thought that was important, and the ability to maintain the current status of the development,
Is considered to be appropiate

Kuvvet yapısının geliştirilmesi kapsamında;
-- Kara Kuvvetleri’nin etkinleştirilmesinin ve yeteneklerinin artırılmasının,
-- Deniz ve Hava Kuvvetleri’nin büyütülmesinin,
-- Özel Kuvvetler’in kapasitesi ve yeteneklerinin geliştirilmesinin,
-- Jandarmanın, Kara Kuvvetleri; Sahil Güvenliğin ise Deniz Kuvvetleri’nin ayrılmaz parçası oldukları, barış döneminden itibaren ortak eğitim ve tatbikatlara devam etmeleri
ve birbirlerini çok iyi tanımalarının gerekli olduğu; karşılıklı çalışabilirliğin devamının
önem arz ettiği düşüncesiyle, mevcut statülerinin muhafazasının ve yeteneklerinin
geliştirilmesinin,


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Turkey's defense industry organization's one of the oldest and most established ;the Mechanical and Chemical Industry Authority (MKEK) is needed to transform the direction of a comprehensive consensus is located. In this context, a legal arrangement of MKEK;
 from the status of SOE; to Joint Stock Company (INC) the status of conversion,
 Defense Industry Support Fund (SSDF) transferred by the Authority and in this way
In all the arrangements to be made on this convertion (reorganization, improvement of rehabilitation,
asset trading, IPO), to be done by Defense Industry Executive Committee (SSİK) which includes Prime Minister, Army Chief of Staff and National Defense ,will be ensured to be authorized ,considered to be appropiate


Türkiye’nin en eski ve köklü savunma sanayii kuruluşlarından biri olan Makine Kimya Endüstrisi
Kurumu’nun (MKEK) kapsamlı bir dönüşüme ihtiyacı olduğu yönünde görüş birliği
bulunmaktadır. Bu çerçevede, bir yasal düzenlemeyle MKEK’nin;
 KİT statüsünden Anonim Şirket (A.Ş.) statüsüne dönüştürülmesinin,
 Savunma Sanayini Destekleme Fonu’na (SSDF) devredilmesinin ve bu sayede Kurum ile
ilgili olarak yapılacak bütün düzenlemelerde (reorganizasyon, iyileştirilme, rehabilitasyon,
malvarlığı alım satımı, borsaya açılma) Başbakan, Genelkurmay Başkanı ve Milli Savunma
Bakanı’ndan oluşan Savunma Sanayii İcra Kurulu’nun (SSİK) yetkili olmasının temin
edilmesinin uygun olacağı düşünülmektedir.
 

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Spot on bro...

There are dozens of things that we can predict about the future of TSK and conscription. If they'll decrease the professional draftees age to 20 as it recommended, I may apply just after the uni. Bcz 25-29 is too late. I'd rather serve for 3 years with active duty and better kits, equipment instead of 1 year being the post man of an officer or serving at a Social Facility.

EXACTLY.....

After basic traning my first official order was "Go and buy us some poaça from the canteen. If you saw base commander's(alay komutanı) jeep. Hide in the foliage.... :lol:
 
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EXACTLY.....

After basic traning my first official order was "Go and buy us some poaça from the canteen. If you saw base commander's(alay komutanı) jeep. Hide in the foliage.... :lol:

It's like a traditional request :D

Bro it's even worse at naval academy. Let alone the officers, the upper cadets are your superior and generally bastards ask you to get these things go. God knows how many push ups we were punished to do. But at the end, everybody breaks bro, it's mental biology :D
 
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I look forward to see our defence campus project... :cheesy:

Also the name of it... :cheesy:
 
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New Strategy includes:

-Defensive Strategy is OVER, Turkey will defend itself outside of its border; which means pre-emptive "defence"
-Army that consist of Smaller more capable, elite forces
-Easily deployable forces and vehicles (A-400M, C-130Ts, LHDs for example)
-Long Range, High precision munitions, that can be launched from air, land, sea (for example SOM, SOM-ER, Gezgin, SRBM/MRBMs etc..)
-Heavy use cyber, and electronic warfare domains.
-Increase CBRN defence
-Increase ballistic-missile defence
-Increase use of UAVs on battlefield
-Space will be main priority of new strategy
-Navy and Airforce will be bigger, new bases will be open.
-joint operation capability will be increased by "pentagon-style" warfare management
-combined exercises and doctrine will be developed by navy, airforce and army.
-Combined "Emergency Response Force" will be established
-Peace Keeping and operations other than war capabilities will maximised
-joint command-control systems will be formed, for combined operations
-size of "special operation forces" will be increased, new equipment will be given.
-civil desicion making will be enhanced.
-number of operation ready units will be increased
-good news, MKEK will be given to SSDF (which is controlled by SSM-MSB)
-new logistic strategies are explained very well, you can read.
-Army will increase pros
-national defence university will be established

Thnx okuz
 
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New Strategy includes:

-Defensive Strategy is OVER, Turkey will defend itself outside of its border; which means pre-emptive "defence"
-Army that consist of Smaller more capable, elite forces
-Easily deployable forces and vehicles (A-400M, C-130Ts, LHDs for example)
-Long Range, High precision munitions, that can be launched from air, land, sea (for example SOM, SOM-ER, Gezgin, SRBM/MRBMs etc..)
-Heavy use cyber, and electronic warfare domains.
-Increase CBRN defence
-Increase ballistic-missile defence
-Increase use of UAVs on battlefield
-Space will be main priority of new strategy
-Navy and Airforce will be bigger, new bases will be open.
-joint operation capability will be increased by "pentagon-style" warfare management
-combined exercises and doctrine will be developed by navy, airforce and army.
-Combined "Emergency Response Force" will be established
-Peace Keeping and operations other than war capabilities will maximised
-joint command-control systems will be formed, for combined operations
-size of "special operation forces" will be increased, new equipment will be given.
-civil desicion making will be enhanced.
-number of operation ready units will be increased
-good news, MKEK will be given to SSDF (which is controlled by SSM-MSB)
-new logistic strategies are explained very well, you can read.
-Army will increase pros
-national defence university will be established

Thnx okuz

Bro. what are your thoughts about this report ?..

Also @Combat-Master @isoo @Neptune and other mates...

IMO report points out very important subjects and advices are very good...

But i don't know what can be added and if there is some mistakes...
 
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Bro. what are your thoughts about this report ?..

Also @Combat-Master @isoo @Neptune and other mates...

IMO report points out very important subjects and advices are very good...

But i don't know what can be added and if there is some mistakes...

It was something that we need to criticize our own and bring a reform in structure of Turkish Armed Forces , I liked the point of equalization between Land force Navy and Air force, to make a Army chief choosen to be from each by turn, also increasing intercompability and joint operations between them. Its also pointing a good point on Coast guard and Gendarmarie ,and their place within Navy and Land forces , there was a need to increase their place in Armed forces.
The thing is to be best in text (also the matter can be fixed within next 2-3years),in my opinion , clarification of MKEK's situation , it will be no more an institute with slow state rules ,but more dynamic and increased productivity, will be formed into a corporate managed by SSDF , savunma sanayi destekleme fonu. If this happened well, and structure of management in MKEK changes to be expected way ,then we need to be ready to see something good by MKEK in following decade.

Also MSB - TSK relationship covered well, indicates that formation of MSB isnt strong enough to handle TSK within itself, so points out impossibility of giving TSK in command of MSB ,that actually applied in US and EU ,but shows -why cant- for now in turkey.

If our elected new president doesnt throw up this reform report,and follows it to make it through ,it gona be something boosting us in next 10 years.

Actually i prefer our mates to read full text :) it criticizes our army, defence strategy, capabilities of army, cooperation between state and army , and brings new solution in these matters .
Also @cabatli_53 gave brief of it wholely
@xxxKULxxx what do you think about it?
 
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I also read all of it... As an addition;

- It says a special department should be established for exports like USA did...
- It also says unutilised maintenance and repair capacity of Land, Naval & Air Forces should be used for possible foreign armies' needs...

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@xxxKULxxx
I think @cabatli_53 summed it up pretty well. But in addition what we currently lack only is jointness, cyber warfare and the conscription system.

Jointess is something that they have been working on it to establish. We have Genel Kurmay Başkanlığı Elektronik Sistemler Komutanlığı for cyber warfare. But it's IOC now..not fully operational.

The biggest problem is the conscription system we have. It should be mandatory of course. But like it or not..the best conscription system in this World is the one that Israel Defense Forces has. With all pros and cons, we should adopt the same. That's my opinion.
 
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@xxxKULxxx
I think @cabatli_53 summed it up pretty well. But in addition what we currently lack only is jointness, cyber warfare and the conscription system.

Jointess is something that they have been working on it to establish. We have Genel Kurmay Başkanlığı Elektronik Sistemler Komutanlığı for cyber warfare. But it's IOC now..not fully operational.

The biggest problem is the conscription system we have. It should be mandatory of course. But like it or not..the best conscription system in this World is the one that Israel Defense Forces has. With all pros and cons, we should adopt the same. That's my opinion.

What do you think about "Navy should get bigger"... And if this works what kind of projects we can expect by the time ?..

Question is also for @isoo
 
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What do you think about "Navy should get bigger"... And if this works what kind of projects we can expect by the time ?..

Question is also for @isoo

This link might have already shared in here,but a good articles shows already navy is getting larger , and will be even more as its seen current plans.
Rise of Turkey , A Regional Power in Mediterranean
I think,current modernization plan for navy also considers an increase. but furthurmore ;

I cant get what exactly that " increase in capacity " mentioned for navy and airforce, since its just told briefly in fore pages of book, probably in rest of classified pages its mentioned by details.

From what i see ,with a rotational chief selection between air, navy and land forces could also focus in jointness , increase in capacity of influce of navy on armed forces ;or operational capacity is something mentioned as in the report ,its focused on peacetime operations,and change from in-border defence to post-border defence ,base establishment ability at out of borders seems to be role of airforce and navy.

It might be increase in capacity of equipments, but currently our fleet is large enough (as its planned for future too) for our waters, i dont know how much it might expand more whether adding up more ships, or installing land based defence solutions for coastal.

@Neptune would tell it better than me.
 
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@xxxKULxxx
Well..dont expect much big projects at near future..

When I was a cadet, there are routine visits to naval installations, national wide. One day we have gone to force command in Ankara. One officer was giving statics to us..numbers I mean. At that time (maybe 2009 or 2010 if I remembered) we had 216 ships. Now it has been decreased for reasons such as:

1- Many admirals/captains/commanders were jailed. Notice that 134 naval officers were at prison. In DZKK, a ships captain's rank is generally Captain, Commander or Lt. Commander. Where most of them were at that age. Think 1/4 of active naval officers were jailed.

2- Some platforms were aging. Especially our auxiliary fleet and the landing fleet of Amphibious Task Group Command.

And other circumstances led the naval forces to retire a significant number of ships.

As the report suggested, we have to expand our navy. There's no other option. One of the first things I have been thaught about Atatürk is this quote from him;

"Denizcilik, Türk'ün milli ülküsü olmalıdır. " (Seamanship should be the Turk's national idea)

or

"Üç tarafi denizlerle çevrili olan Türkiye'nin, donanmasının da bir o kadar güçlü ve kudretli olmasi gerekir."

Example: Ottoman Empire

Osmanlı'nın büyümesi ve genişlemesinde donanmanın rolü her ne kadar büyük ise, çökmesindeki rolü de bir o kadar büyüktür, İHMAL edilmesidir. İngiltere bugün İngiltere ise bunu sömürgeciliğe borçludur ve bunu da 100% olarak İngiliz Kraliyet Donanması'na borçludur.

Back to topic. I don't expect new projects for the following decade. But after the commissioning of big and highly important platforms such as the TF-2000, Type 214 and Levent-class LHD; we may see increases and new orders at national surface platforms. One of the pros that the current crisis all over the Middle East, Ukraine have showed the importance of must having a strong deterrent, foreign policy supporting naval force. Also, we will see routine order increases at FACs, Patrol Boats and corvettes.

At long terms, they will order:

- A second batch for TF-2000 (3 new ships max.)

- A second LHD.

- An aircraft carrier (after 2028-2030)


The funny thing is that we are 3rd at NATO in terms of fleet size..but still we think we have a small fleet. Yes because it's not enough for a country like Turkey having 3 sides with sea and a very long coastline and stationed where every single fuvcking crisis occures.
 
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-Defensive Strategy is OVER, Turkey will defend itself outside of its border; which means pre-emptive "defence"

-Easily deployable forces and vehicles (A-400M, C-130Ts, LHDs for example)

Navy and air force will be bigger

@ page 14

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For i example i saw another point...

When i look at these comments i think we will have a huge logistic fleet in all Forces...

Also... For example there should be some guard for naval logistic ships...

Also i think to create a base area on enemy lands we should clean(destroy) and provide security of that area... So we need some destroyers... Can it be ?..
 
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