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In contrast to much arrogant fanfare at the time of invasion of Iraq with US showing muscles, this month all US troops will be leaving Iraq quietly having achieved nothing but huge losses. This withdrawal is being done in absolute western media black out the same way Russian media was silent when Russians were pulling out of Afghanistan.

US Withdrawal and Defeat in Iraq

It is now official. All uniformed U.S. troops will be withdrawn from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011. There are two major ways of describing this. One is by President Obama, who says that he is thereby keeping an electoral promise he made in 2008. The second is by the Republican presidential candidates, who have condemned Obama for not doing what they say the U.S. military wanted, which is to keep some U.S. troops there after Dec. 31 as “trainers” to the Iraqi military. According to Mitt Romney, Obama’s decision was either “the result of naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government.”

Both statements are nonsense, and merely represent self-justifying arguments for the American electorate. Obama tried his hardest, and in total conjunction with the U.S. military commanders and the Pentagon, to keep U.S. troops there after Dec. 31. He failed, not because of ineptitude, but because the Iraqi political leaders forced the U.S. troops to leave. The withdrawal marks the culmination of the U.S. defeat in Iraq, one comparable to the U.S. defeat in Vietnam.

What really happened? For the last eighteen months at least, the U.S. authorities have been trying as hard as they could to negotiate an agreement with the Iraqis that would override the one signed by President George W. Bush to withdraw all troops by Dec. 31, 2011. They failed, but not for want to trying hard.

By any definition, the most pro-American groups are the Sunni groups led by Ayad Allawi, a man with notoriously close links with the CIA, and the party of Jalal Talebani, Kurdish president of Iraq. Both men in the end said, no doubt reluctantly, that it was better that U.S. troops leave.

The Iraqi leader who tried hardest to arrange for U.S. troops to remain was Prime Minister Nouri al-Malaki. He obviously believed that the poor ability of the Iraqi military to maintain order would lead to new elections in which his own position would be gravely weakened, and he would probably cease to be prime minister.

The United States made concession after concession, reducing constantly the number of troops they would leave behind. The sticking point in the end was the insistence of the Pentagon on immunity for U.S. soldiers (and mercenaries) from Iraqi jurisdiction for any crimes of which they might be accused. Maliki was ready to agree to this, but no one else was. In particular, the Sadrists said they would withdraw their support for the government if Maliki agreed. And without their support, Maliki did not have the necessary majority in parliament.

Who won then? The withdrawal was a victory for Iraqi nationalism. And the person who has come to incarnate Iraqi nationalism is none other than Muqtada al-Sadr. It is true that al-Sadr leads a Shi’ite movement that has historically been violently anti-Baathist, which for his followers has usually meant being anti-Sunni Muslims. But al-Sadr has long since moved beyond this initial position to make himself and his movement the champion of U.S. withdrawal. He has reached out to Sunni leaders and to Kurdish leaders in the hope of creating a pan-Iraqi nationalist front, centered on the restoration of full Iraqi autonomy. He has won.

Of course, al-Sadr, like Maliki and many other Shi’ite politicians, has spent much of his life in exile in Iran. Is therefore al-Sadr’s victory a victory for Iran? No doubt Iran has improved its credibility inside Iraq. But it would be a major analytical error to believe that what has happened is that Iran has somehow replaced the United States in dominating the Iraqi scene.

There are fundamental strains between Iranian Shi’ites and Iraqi Shi’ites. For one thing, the Iraqis have always considered Iraq and not Iran to be the spiritual center of the Shi’ite religious world. It is true that, in the last half-century, the transformations on the geopolitical scene have allowed the ayatollahs in Iran to appear to dominate the Shi’ite religious world.

But this is akin to what happened to the relationship between the United States and western Europe after 1945. The geopolitical strength of the United States forced a shift in the cultural relationship of the two sides. Western Europeans had to accept the new cultural as well as political dominance of the United States. They went along, but western Europeans never liked it. And they are seeking now to regain their top dog cultural position. So it is with Iran/Iraq. In the last half century, the Iraqi Shi’ites had to accept Iranian cultural dominance, but they never liked it. And they will work now to regain their top dog cultural position.

Despite their public statements, both Obama and the Republicans know that the United States has been defeated. The only Americans who don’t really believe this is that small fringe of U.S. leftists who somehow cannot accept that the United States doesn’t always win out everywhere geopolitically. This small and diminishing fringe is just too invested in denouncing the United States to tolerate the reality that the United States is in serious decline.

This fringe group is arguing that nothing has changed because the United States has simply shifted its key player in Iraq from the Pentagon to the State Department, which is doing two things: bringing in more Marines to provide security for the U.S. embassy; and hiring trainers for the Iraqi police forces. But bringing in more Marines is a sign of weakness, not strength. It means that even the well-guarded U.S. embassy is not safe enough from attacks. The United States has cancelled plans to open more consulates for the very same reason.

As for the trainers, it turns out that we are talking about 115 police advisors who need to be “protected” by thousands of private security guards. I would warrant that the police advisors are going to be very cautious about ever leaving the Embassy grounds and that it going to be difficult to hire enough private security guards, given that they will no longer have immunity.

No one should be surprised if, after the next Iraqi elections, the prime minister will be Muqtada al-Sadr. Neither the United States nor Iran will be overjoyed. US Withdrawal and Defeat in Iraq | Common Dreams
 
defeated and humiliated!

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Not defeated but they destroyed And disturbed Asian countries(Afghanistan, Pakistan WOT).
And made illicit relation with India!
 
Absolutely we were 'defeated' in Iraq. Not just once but twice. The first time we came within 100 miles of Baghdad and B41 thought we were 'defeated' so we withdrew. This time around we invaded, overthrew the government, captured the country's leader, ruled the country through a native agent, and now we will withdraw because we got...ummmm...ahhhh...'defeated'...again.
 
Not defeated but they destroyed And disturbed Asian countries(Afghanistan, Pakistan WOT).

Dude, US shot itself in the foot, there. They completely messed up the balance of power in middle east in the favor of their enemy Iran. Today Iraq is much more under influence of Iran than it has ever been in the past 1000 years. What US did was to provide a proxy battle ground in Iraq where Iranian backed militias were blowing up Americans left and right. And in the end they won. Read the article.
 
Absolutely we were 'defeated' in Iraq. Not just once but twice. The first time we came within 100 miles of Baghdad and B41 thought we were 'defeated' so we withdrew. This time around we invaded, overthrew the government, captured the country's leader, ruled the country through a native agent, and now we will withdraw because we got...ummmm...ahhhh...'defeated'...again.

Really? What you did was just take down your own old buddy, Saddam. The Iraqi people though had a totally different idea. To kick you out. And they did.

US got nothing in the end except lost heads and limbs. Nothing. It just delivered Iraq to Iran.

Direct cost of war to US:

http://costofwar.com/en/

Total cost of wars in excess of over 4 trillion dollars:

Estimated cost of post-9/11 wars: 225,000 lives, up to $4 trillion | Brown University News and Events
 
US is not that successful in Afghanistan but i think they achieved their objectives in Iraq fairly.Except for the people who want to console their false egos.
 
US is not that successful in Afghanistan but i think they achieved their objectives in Iraq fairly.Except for the people who want to console their false egos.

Define those objectives with sources. Otherwise I would say they are just dreamy BS. The stated objective was WMD which was never found. So stop lying.
 
Absolutely we were 'defeated' in Iraq. Not just once but twice. The first time we came within 100 miles of Baghdad and B41 thought we were 'defeated' so we withdrew. This time around we invaded, overthrew the government, captured the country's leader, ruled the country through a native agent, and now we will withdraw because we got...ummmm...ahhhh...'defeated'...again.

You were defeated in the covert war with Iran in Iraq, not by Saddam's army.
 
I think US got what it wanted. They wanted a friendly neighbourhood in ME, and Saddam was a rogue who was to be dealt with.
They dealt it with a ease of school teacher spanking unruly kids.
In the process, everybody(including israel and soudis) are happy that they are not under threat.
And US maintains influence in the ME.
 
Absolutely we were 'defeated' in Iraq. Not just once but twice. The first time we came within 100 miles of Baghdad and B41 thought we were 'defeated' so we withdrew. This time around we invaded, overthrew the government, captured the country's leader, ruled the country through a native agent, and now we will withdraw because we got...ummmm...ahhhh...'defeated'...again.

Yes, I would categorize Maliki not wanting the US in his country as defeat. The fact that the US has left Iraq in total turmoil & anarchy, right into the hands of Iran signals defeat as well.
 
You were defeated in the covert war with Iran in Iraq, not by Saddam's army.

The same way US is being defeated covertly in Afghanistan by Pakistan. This is called 4th generation warfare. Something US is not capable of.
 
Absolutely we were 'defeated' in Iraq. Not just once but twice. The first time we came within 100 miles of Baghdad and B41 thought we were 'defeated' so we withdrew. This time around we invaded, overthrew the government, captured the country's leader, ruled the country through a native agent, and now we will withdraw because we got...ummmm...ahhhh...'defeated'...again.

you are defeated not because you captured baghdad but because you didnt achieve any aim, and it costed you billions of dollars, dented an irrepairable economy
 
The same way US is being defeated covertly in Afghanistan by Pakistan. This is called 4th generation warfare. Something US is not capable of.
You can say US is defeated in Afganistan if it falls into enemy hands again. Nobody knows what will happen next, I am sure US will protect its interest in central asia(as russia and others).
In case of Iraq, I am not really sure it will do any funny activity like suddam anytime soon.
 
Define those objectives with sources. Otherwise I would say they are just dreamy BS. The stated objective was WMD which was never found. So stop lying.
WMD was a lie. Everybody knows that. I am not supporting US invasion on Iraqi soil. But they have created a stable government in Iraq and crushed rebellions. That's it.No need to be emotional.
 

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