Debating the Burqa

[Gauss]

Humans should do what's dignified. Dignity is in showing the strong beautiful admirable bodies in youth and hiding the weak derelict ugly bodies in old age.

 

[untitled]

Dude...i'm kind of tired of these atacks...long story short,Romania isn't really a powerhouse but,probably,my grandchildren won't see better living standards in Pakistan than in Romania.Literacy rates and all......as starter.

Well sir I agree with you and I usually don't get involved in flamewars but you in post #32 had crossed a line. I had to respond.

By the way what would you do if you were driven out of your house and then these very looters and plunders walked in front of you in caravans doing trade with your belongings?

 

[AUz]

Dude...they're a fringe without political power who get more enstranget by the day.Long story short ,they're basically nothing.And,which each day ,they get more resented by the real power.Iberia all over again,if you know what i mean.It's a pitty ofcourse,they are offered a good lifestyle but they choose a 7th century rambling.
Nobody really cares about Islam in Europe,apart from seeing it as a backward system,let's be real.Some immigrants rioting on the peripheries don't really matter much.We see them at a 15th century reliqve.....uneducated fools with religion on their mind...easily disposable in the end....but again,this is the "muslim world in a shell"....much noise,nothing to show in the end....hence the wars and all...."stupid be stupid".

LOL.

Sure dude..keep believing that. "Iberia" all over again and "Muslim World in shell"

There are Muslim ministers in every major European country. In next four decades, 10% of entire European population will be Muslim (Inshallah), 10% of all school kids in UK are Muslims, and some German provinces are now teaching Islam in Public Schools for better integration of society...

But yeah sure, its Iberia all over again and "peripheral" Muslims (who are now all over the European continent and number in tens of millions---present in literally every sphere of European life) will be kicked out by a European-nationalist crusade

Btw, if Iberia analogy is to be accepted fully, then no need to worry---because Muslim conquerors were pushed back completely after 800 years of presence!

So we have time, yeah?

 

[untitled]

Sure dude..keep believing that. "Iberia" all over again and "Muslim World in shell"

Well we are kind of seeing a reverse Iberia taking place in Europe as we speak.

 

[flamer84]

LOL.

Sure dude..keep believing that. "Iberia" all over again and "Muslim World in shell"

There are Muslim ministers in every major European country. In next four decades, 10% of entire European population will be Muslim (Inshallah), 10% of all school kids in UK are Muslims, and some German provinces are now teaching Islam in Public Schools for better integration of society...

But yeah sure, its Iberia all over again and "peripheral" Muslims (who are now all over the European continent and number in tens of millions---present in literally every sphere of European life) will be kicked out by a European-nationalist crusade

Btw, if Iberia analogy is to be accepted fully, then no need to worry---because Muslim conquerors were pushed back completely after 800 years of presence!

So we have time, yeah?

There are muslims and muslims.I know muslims who want the new muslims out on the account that the latter are cave dwelling freaks.I kid you not.

As for the rest of your dreams...Europe has a destiny,road of its own,it doesn't really care of a newborn minority with the 7th century on its mind.They will adapt or "be adapted".Just watch.

Well sir I agree with you and I usually don't get involved in flamewars but you in post #32 had crossed a line. I had to respond.

By the way what would you do if you were driven out of your house and then these very looters and plunders walked in front of you in caravans doing trade with your belongings?

That's not really my concern,is it now ? Sure....it's sad,but it's their problem...a ME problem.

 

[AUz]

Well we are kind of seeing a reverse Iberia taking place in Europe as we speak.

Not really.

Iberia/Reverse iberia involved sudden, militaristic conquest.

What we are seeing in Europe today is the natural spread of one of the largest/most global civilization of ever experienced by homo-sapiens.

And THATs why Europe has no answer to it but to just let it happen and evolve with it.

Through globalization, immigration, and information revolution---Islam has established itself in the heartlands of European continent through natural expansion.

@flamer84 can call Islam virus, plague, and what not. And from his perspective he might be right. That's not the issue.

The issue at hand is that Islam is the largest civilization/civilizational force present on Earth--and now its only naturally expanding to Europe through the factors I described above (immigration, information revolution, globalization etc)...and there's nothing much one can do about it.

 

[flamer84]

Not really.

Iberia/Reverse iberia involved sudden, militaristic conquest.

What we are seeing in Europe today is the natural spread of one of the largest/most global civilization of ever experienced by homo-sapiens.

And THATs why Europe has no answer to it but to just let it happen and evolve with it.

Through globalization, immigration, and information revolution---Islam has established itself in the heartlands of European continent through natural expansion.

@flamer84 can call Islam virus, plague, and what not. And from his perspective he might be right. That's not the issue.

The issue at hand is that Islam is the largest civilization/civilizational force present on Earth--and now its only naturally expanding to Europe through the factors I described above (immigration, information revolution, globalization etc)...and there's nothing much one can do about it.

Like any virus...there's going to be an antidot.

 

[untitled]

There are muslims and muslims.I know muslims who want the new muslims out on the account that the latter are cave dwelling freaks.I kid you not.

Are the cave dwelling freaks terrorists or people practice Islam as much as possible ? Or you don't differentiate between the two ?

they will adapt or "be adapted".Just watch.

Then how are you any different from any religious nutjob trying to impose his values on others ? Oh your values are superior. Have I not heard that before ?

That's not really my concern,is it now ? Sure....it's sad,but it's their problem...a ME problem.

No but I asked what would you do as a proud European ?

Iberia/Reverse iberia involved sudden, militaristic conquest.

We can claim the moral high ground here by not using a militaristic conquest

Like any virus...there's going to be an antidot.

But you have genuine concerns and I agree It is not working

 

[AUz]

Like any virus...there's going to be an antidot.

Yeah, Pegida/EDL/Golden Dawn types.

They'll be taken care of by local Muslim gangs (who are mostly as pathetic as the above)--let alone security apparatus of Western states

THE BEST you can get is a party like France's national front becoming more mainstream in their views (moving to center) and coming in power.

That's all.

 

[Jf Thunder]

it isnt...the word is draw your cloth over yourself now if it is a stitched 1 piece you wear or a chaddar you pull over yourself doesnt really matter as long as you do what the drawing of the cloth does (cover yourself)

Now how you draw the cloth and from which direction (pull it over your head and cover your face (as burqa) or pull it across your face as a niqab or dont even involve the face and just your body is not told of....



Why not let the woman choose? Why in both cases men have to poke their noses? From French bigots saying big no and go naked to Muslim Mullahs saying I get horny so please cover everything! Why not just mind your own business?





This word needs a new translation as no one even understands it!

i am completely in favor of a woman choosing, but the Burqa is becoming a threat to National Security

you are trying to find reason in a thread created by luffy.

his calmer colleague, zarvan, had created this thread ( https://defence.pk/threads/hijab-and-corporate-morality-—-orya-maqbool-jan.369746 ) in april... you participated in it too.

burqa was phased out by progressive and great muslim leaders decades ago but nato kept burqa-love alive and brought it back in recent years through "naya musalmaan" types like luffy and zarvan.

discussing on this thread would be waste of time, i would say.

i just needed someplace to vent my frustration about this piece hideous cloth

 

[Aramagedon]

Burqa or Niqab (it reminds me zorro) is not in Islam but Hijab is Islamic. Hjab is what God has ordered, not people of 7th century.

Hijab exists in all of religions. Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrian, old Indian, Japanese and Chinese religions etc .....

 

[Zibago]

you are trying to find reason in a thread created by luffy.

his calmer colleague, zarvan, had created this thread ( https://defence.pk/threads/hijab-and-corporate-morality-—-orya-maqbool-jan.369746 ) in april... you participated in it too.

burqa was phased out by progressive and great muslim leaders decades ago but nato kept burqa-love alive and brought it back in recent years through "naya musalmaan" types like luffy and zarvan.

discussing on this thread would be waste of time, i would say.

Orya Jan the disillusioned molvi

 

[Imran Khan]

stone age culture of tribal

 

[livingdead]

I think its a hideous contraption, and in western world, for right reason, considered as sign of backwardness.
However its also a cultural attire for many, you wont judge some africans by their flamboyant dress which looks like made from printed bedsheet(is it kenyans?) because thats the way they dress.

Thats just my opinion. Nobody should be forced to shed it just because I dont like it. I can always close my eyes or avoid contact with burqawali. The freedom of choice is clearly with burqawali.
And banning it is a stupid idea. I get the french argument that face veil stops effective human interaction, but its not a good enough reason to ban them.

 

[Yazp]

Well sir I agree with you and I usually don't get involved in flamewars but you in post #32 had crossed a line. I had to respond.

By the way what would you do if you were driven out of your house and then these very looters and plunders walked in front of you in caravans doing trade with your belongings?

Flamer joining a flame war.
10/10

Honestly, even in Pakistan I don't feel safe next to a person wearing a burqa, for all I know it might be some Talib donning a Klashnikov, or a suicide vest under there. We should really separate religion from a backward Semitic tradition that started when insecure men started overcompensating.