Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[W@rwolf]

Offset cost cannot be separate from the cost of the aircraft since it is directly proportional to the number of aircraft purchased. (percentage).

You misunderstood me. What I meant was that the offset does not affect the fly-away cost but rather the fly-away affects the offsets. So the fly-away cost has to be fixed first before calculating the latter. It was in response to your argument that the fly-away cost was not re-negotiated.

Finally the customization charges was paid for by Qatar. Only the new helmet integration will be by India.

Any link to show that Qatar paid for customization (for those demanded by Indian?) Also you failed to account the integration of Astra and Brahmos (and others possibly)

Link ?

i can't find the link, but India was negotiating for a maintenance contract for 15 years at the price of 10 years. Eventually India agreed for 10 years.

This is hardly a roadmap for more Rafale.

In 1996 India signed a $1.8 billion deal for purchase of up to 50 Su-30 jets. Did you see a roadmap then?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Have anyone heard that the earlier news was just a speculation. The deal is not final has been quoted by Def. Minister Shri Mohan Parrikar . Deeply Dissapointed

There is nothing to be dissapointed about, his exact quotes were the deal is very close and will be signed "soon", with the main issue (cost/offset) out of the way the rest is a formality. As he is right to say, the deal is not final until it goes to the CCS for clearance.

 

[Hephaestus]

There is nothing to be dissapointed about, his exact quotes were the deal is very close and will be signed "soon", with the main issue (cost/offset) out of the way the rest is a formality. As he is right to say, the deal is not final until it goes to the CCS for clearance.

The more time it takes. The more i'm convinced Rafale & Rafale-M will fly in Indian colors.

 

[Sergi]

Party pooper

Ya right. Just to add one thing "m not armchair General ".
Bye.

 

[migflug]

 

[C130]

This is not a true statement. AL31 are definitely maintenance hog but not to this extreme. They are rated for 3000 hours life time and MTBO at 1000. but IAF is known to do it earlier.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/47794/su_30mki-engine-certified-(oct.-27).html


his statements are correct according to this source, albeit this was posted way back in 2004

compared to the F-100-229 EWP the AL-31FP is a pain in the butt, and it doesn't help that India flies way more hours in it's birds than most other countries.

and the low serviceability of Su-30MKI is hurting the India Air Force.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...agency-punches-holes-russian-sukhoi/77688164/

 

[randomradio]

This is not a true statement. AL31 are definitely maintenance hog but not to this extreme. They are rated for 3000 hours life time and MTBO at 1000. but IAF is known to do it earlier.

It is a true statement. The basic AL-31F has a life of 1500 hours. The AL-31FP has a life of 2000 hours. The 117S has a life of 4000 hours.

 

[zebra7]

It is a true statement. The basic AL-31F has a life of 1500 hours. The AL-31FP has a life of 2000 hours. The 117S has a life of 4000 hours.

OK but this power this beast.

 

[Taygibay]

OK but this power this beast.

True that it is a beast but remember, with its tiny size and engines,
the Rafale carries more payload.

It's not all about having power, you have to use it to good avail?

Just sayin' Tay.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The more time it takes. The more i'm convinced Rafale & Rafale-M will fly in Indian colors.

It's a certainty at this point IMHO.

OK but this power this beast.

That's true but when it averages 25-35% of the life span of the M88 the LCC go through the roof and this is something any airforce with fleets of this size need to be VERY mindful of.

 

[zebra7]

That's true but when it averages 25-35% of the life span of the M88 the LCC go through the roof and this is something any airforce with fleets of this size need to be VERY mindful of.

Do we have the cost of AL-31 and M88 engine.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Do we have the cost of AL-31 and M88 engine.

Not sure about the M88 (I'm sure @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil or @Vauban can help) but the AL-31 costs around $3.5-4 million USD each but likely would cost a tiny bit more these days. The TBO of 1000h (in the IAF even less) is complete joke though as is the rather pitiful life span.

 

[zebra7]

Not sure about the M88 (I'm sure @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil or @Vauban can help) but the AL-31 costs around $3.5-4 million USD each but likely would cost a tiny bit more these days. The TBO of 1000h (in the IAF even less) is complete joke though as is the rather pitiful life span.

May be IAF could consider better engine AL-41 with Super Sukhoi upgrade.

 

[Abingdonboy]

May be IAF could consider better engine AL-41 with Super Sukhoi upgrade.

That would be highly desirable but let's wait and see, the Super Sukhoi upgrade is taking far too long to materialise.

 

[Taygibay]

4.5 M€ +-