CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Type 003 from few days ago.

 

[Deino]

The Type 003 from few days ago.


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Here larger...

 

[Grandy]

China's first carrier-based, fixed-wing early warning aircraft makes maiden flight: reports

By Liu Xuanzun Source: Global Times. Published: 2020/9/1 21:16:34

Aircrafts are visible on the deck of the aircraft carrier Liaoning of the PLA Navy. File photo: 81.cn

China's first aircraft carrier-based, fixed-wing early warning aircraft, reportedly called the KJ-600, successfully made its maiden flight in late August, foreign and Chinese media reported. This type of plane will become far-reaching eyes and significantly boost the comprehensive combat capability of Chinese aircraft carriers, which currently only have helicopters for early warning purposes, Chinese experts said on Tuesday.

An aircraft identified as the KJ-600 was recently spotted in Xi'an, capital of Northwest China's Shaanxi Province, in a commercial satellite image, Ordnance Industry Science Technology, a Xi'an-based magazine on the national defense industry, reported on Monday, citing a report on Forbes on Saturday.

Unverified photos posted on social media show it recently made its first test flight, the Chinese magazine said.

The Chinese military or the aircraft's manufacturer has not announced the maiden flight of the aircraft as of press time.

Wang Ya'nan, chief editor of Beijing-based Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times on Tuesday that after China built an aircraft carrier, it was expected to develop an aircraft carrier-based early warning system as a priority project.

When China's aircraft carriers sail far away from inland to an extent that land-based early warning aircraft cannot provide early warning support, the carriers would lose their full combat potential without a carrier-based fixed-wing early warning aircraft, Wang said. He added that this kind of aircraft can quickly create an early warning and control system to allow an aircraft carrier combat group to independently carry out missions.

China's aircraft carriers currently rely on early warning helicopters to do the job, but they can only carry smaller radars, have limited speed, and only cover a radius of about 200 kilometers, while a fixed-wing early warning aircraft can cover about 400 to 500 kilometers, Wang said.

Judging from the images, Ordnance Industry Science Technology said that the KJ-600 has a very tight fuselage design, making it almost as long as the J-15 aircraft carrier-based fighter jet, and the Z-18 early warning helicopter.

The aircraft carries a radar on the top of its middle fuselage, similar to China's previous early warning aircraft KJ-2000 and KJ-500.

It likely uses two WJ-6C turboprop engines, but could switch to the newer WJ-10s in the future, the report said.

The Forbes report claimed that the KJ-600 looks like the US Navy's E-2C Hawkeye.

Wang said it is natural that similar technological requirements and approaches, including on the design of a carrier-operable aircraft platform and the development of small but capable radar, have led to this.

There is no evidence yet if the KJ-600 can operate on China's current two aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and the Shandong, which use ski-jump flight decks without catapults. China's third aircraft carrier is expected to use a flat flight deck with electromagnetic catapults, which will be compatible with the KJ-600, analysts said.

 

[Deino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302520238089465857

 

[Figaro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302520238089465857

I wish that picture was so much clearer

 

[Figaro]

Via Temstar on SDF
Here's someone's analysis of 003's size against USS Gerald R. Ford. 003 sections are of course joined together via photoshop. The 003 is on the left and Ford on the right.

 

[Deino]

Via Temstar on SDF
Here's someone's analysis of 003's size against USS Gerald R. Ford. 003 sections are of course joined together via photoshop. The 003 is on the left and Ford on the right. View attachment 667105

What surprises me is the overall different shape of the hull.

 

[sheik]

Via Temstar on SDF
Here's someone's analysis of 003's size against USS Gerald R. Ford. 003 sections are of course joined together via photoshop. The 003 is on the left and Ford on the right. View attachment 667105

The width at the bow increases rapidly with the level/floor going up. Ford in the picture seemed to be two floors higher than 003, at some sections. See the suddenly increased shadow width right after the tip at the bow. Anyway, as Deino pointed out, the hull shape of the two ships are still quite different.

 

[sheik]

What surprises me is the overall different shape of the hull.

Not really a surprise compared to Type 002/Shandong.

Dec. 2015:

May 2016:

I believe the designers at the 701st institute must have evaluated the water resistance of different hull shapes by experiments and computer simulations. I think the choice was a compromise of speed and stability at required capacity and given engine power, just like any other ships.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The width at the bow increases rapidly with the level/floor. Ford in the picture seemed to be one or two floors higher than 003, at some sections. See the shape continuity broken right after the tip. Anyway, just as Deino pointed out, the hull shape of the two ships are quite different.

The CVN-79 from 2018 had more upper floors being added to its waterline section, so it is not a fair comparison.

Should use the GE image of 2016 instead.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What surprises me is the overall different shape of the hull.

Except the Type 003 got a more robust stern section, the rests are pretty much similar.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Via Temstar on SDF
Here's someone's analysis of 003's size against USS Gerald R. Ford. 003 sections are of course joined together via photoshop. The 003 is on the left and Ford on the right. View attachment 667105

The CVN-79 in that image had many floors being added above its waterline section.

If it is on the same level as the current Type 003, it would look just as slim.

 

[sheik]

The CVN-79 in that image had many floors being added above its waterline section.

If it is on the same level as the current Type 003, it would look just as slim.

Exactly, but the width at the stern of Ford was apparently smaller than 003.

 

[sheik]

Except the Type 003 got a more robust stern section, the rests are pretty much similar.

Probably Ford aimed for less water resistance and Type 003 wants more capacity.
At least it tells us Type 003 will have enough engine power.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Exactly, but the width at the stern of Ford was apparently smaller than 003.

The Type 003 got a unique V-shape stern.

In comparison, the Ford class got a narrow flat stern, and only the extended deck from both side makes it looks wide.